FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #3

[Myserty64]

You are right UK. He meant when the car was dropped, not discovered.
The police know the POI parked the car there but I can't understand the secrecy about it.

 

[UK Sleuth]

I dont understand it either.

I dont want to get into criticising LE because they have a tough job to do but sometimes I wonder how thorough investigations are due to resources,.

Certainly I have found this to be the case in studying cases in the UK, its well known the Yorkshire Ripper would have been caught a lot earlier if lines of enquiry had been followed up and not shut down early.

As appalling and distressing as the case is for the family it is just another in a long line of missing people and as I think has be hinted on here before the answers could have been overlooked by the authorities.

If you read up about many cases where there have been botched investigations you do start to question the authorities more than you actually like to do so as in general we assume they are doing the job 'properly'.

Im not saying they are inept, Im saying at times perhaps the resource does not allow them to be competent enough.

They may have another shot of the poi but feel that is no better than what they already have and just settled for the two shots we have, my argument is you never know what other people will see looking at a picture, at a different angle it might ring a bell with someone so if they have then release it.

The case is such a mystery that it doesnt help when the authorities are evasive with their detail, if its not another pic of the poi and a witness then tell us a witness saw them, what harm can that do?

If you dont give people the facts they will make up their own story.

 

[shwa]

Hi im Alta's friend. It's good to see a healthy curiousity in this case. Like alot of people i started almost at the beginning of her abduction and have been following it ever since. One of our biggest clues is the photo of the POI, i've looked at it a thousand times trying to find more than a slightly blurred person, partially obstructed by a fence.

Recently i decided to look at the photo as if it was taken at night.The only thing against this theory is the time stamp on the camera, which could be wrong. Either it was set wrong or the camera doesn't function properly. there is actually 3 versions of the photo. #1 the dark pic with the lightened oval to enhance the poi #2 the completely lightened pic, showing the poi on either side of the gate
#3 the color photo of the poi.
Why would they darken the photo around the poi and leave the light oval when there is a light photo of the poi already? That doesn't make alot of sense to me. I believe the photo was taken at night and then the oval around the poi was lightened to give a clearer view of the poi.

 

[shwa]

To view all 3 pics of the poi go to ... jenniferkesse.com ... scroll half way down the page, and on the left side click on a title called ... Aerial view of the scene .
You will see all 3 pics plus a pic of her car parked at HOTG. This photo was taken from a camera on a post i'd say about 15ft. high, and could have taken a photo of the perp while they were parking the car.
On the photo of the POI, in the lefthand corner it says ... cam3 ... which makes me think there are 3 cameras.

 

[leftcoast]

Mystery: I agree with everything you said about the POI. In addition, I remember a quote from, i think it was Barbara JOnes, or something like that, of the Orlando police dept. who said , paraphrasing, that this person (the POI) was simply not somebody who just happened to be walking by at the time the car was dropped. IF the POI was a witness, he would be called a witness, and the Kesse's wouldn't have his picture above their computer, trying to figure out who it was, since it would be impossible for them to know this person, if he was simply a witness.

Shwa: Everything you have said makes sense. I have actually had arguments with a buddy about whether or not the picture was taken at night. I thought it was taken at night, he said otherwise, and with the time stamp, I assumed I was wrong. If you think about it, dumping a car at night, makes more sense, and also explains why there are no witnesses. However, if LE screwed this up, somebody will be emptying parking meters from now until pension time. Of course, we will never know, because LE usually keeps mistakes under wraps.

UK: My theory on this case is follows: I think, just think, that LE thought they would put the picture of the POI on tv, and that person would stupidly come forward (assuming he would be noticed), and say yes, it was me walking by. Then, once, they had the POI admit it was him in the picture, LE would pull out the other camera angle which shows him parking the car and nail him for the crime. That is my take. Since it didn't work, time to release everything, IMO

left

 

[leftcoast]

To view all 3 pics of the poi go to ... jenniferkesse.com ... scroll half way down the page, and on the left side click on a title called ... Aerial view of the scene .
You will see all 3 pics plus a pic of her car parked at HOTG. This photo was taken from a camera on a post i'd say about 15ft. high, and could have taken a photo of the perp while they were parking the car.
On the photo of the POI, in the lefthand corner it says ... cam3 ... which makes me think there are 3 cameras.

SHWA: Good job. I just wanted to share a few things. from what I have learned, the color picture of the POI was most likely from somebody who simply colored in the appropriate colors on the photo. At least that is what others have said.

As for the picture of Jenn's car parked. It is my assumption, just an assumption (correct me if I'm wrong), that the picture of Jenn's parked car was taken by a news crew or police on one of those boom camera's or helicopter. If you look at the picture, the camera is actually high above the power lines, which makes me think it was a temporary shot, versus a fixed camera. Notice how this picture doesn't have a time stamp, or say camera on it. Again, just my take. If anyone has an opinion, please share. Hence, it is my opinion that this camera angle was "not" available at the time JK's car was dumped at HOTG.

The camera which took a picture of the POI is located in the perch of the poolhouse. 180 degrees from this vantage point, is another camera, which points toward the parking spot where Jk's car was parked. It is this camera, which I beleive is focused on the second gate to the pool area (the other camera is, in my opinion focused on first gate to the pool area, probably for insurance reasons, security) may or may not have caught jk's car being parked. It all depends on the angle of the camera. I, however, believe it would have at least showed some of the car being parked. don't forget, there is a building next to the pool, which may have also impacted the photo.

left

 

[shwa]

I believe the pic was colorized also. If you notice the car in the photo, you will see a small tree blocking the view, it is a whiteish color and not the green it should be. This make me think that who ever colorized it forgot to color the tree.

There is another camera in the pool house, but it's difficult to tell if can be focused on the spot where Jennifer's car was parked. The camera that took the pic of the car is on a pole, that is in the pool area with metal rods extending over the pool fence. I believe this is the third camera.

 

[leftcoast]

The camera that took the pic of the car is on a pole, that is in the pool area with metal rods extending over the pool fence. I believe this is the third camera.

Are you 100% sure of this? Have you seen this camera in person? or is this your opinion?



left

 

[shwa]

In the photo of the POI, we can see the gate to the pool and in the middle of the gate there is a sign, or better stated ,the back of a sign.On the other side of the sign it has the days and times for use of the pool. The very last sentence on the sign says ... Security Camera in use ... Would a perp walk purposely in front of a security camera.

Jennifer's mother once said ... the poi was in the parking lot when the car was being put there ... i believe that the poi had walked passed the perp in Jenn's car and the OPD want to get a description from him.

 

[leftcoast]

In the photo of the POI, we can see the gate to the pool and in the middle of the gate there is a sign, or better stated ,the back of a sign.On the other side of the sign it has the days and times for use of the pool. The very last sentence on the sign says ... Security Camera in use ... Would a perp walk purposely in front of a security camera.



Jennifer's mother once said ... the poi was in the parking lot when the car was being put there ... i believe that the poi had walked passed the perp in Jenn's car and the OPD want to get a description from him.

If true, then why isn't the POI called a "potential witness". A "person of interest", means that the individual may be a suspect, and the eventual perp. in a case.

Please answer the question about the camera. I would really like to know, once and for all, if anyone has physically seen this camera. thanks

left.

 

[shwa]

In the photo marked "D" which is the color photo of the car, you can see what looks like a wooden telephone pole, and attached to it are metal rods that cross each other. My guess is that this is what is holding the camera.

 

[leftcoast]

In the photo marked "D" which is the color photo of the car, you can see what looks like a wooden telephone pole, and attached to it are metal rods that cross each other. My guess is that this is what is holding the camera.

If true, then why is this camera taking "color" photos, and the other camera is only in black and white. And why is there not a "time stamp" and "camera" stamp on this picture?

left

ps I have to know, have you physically seen this camera, or has anyone connected to this case told you that there is a "fixed camera" at this location? thanks in advance.

 

[shwa]

Hi Left. No, i have only seen the photos on jenniferkesse.com. Your right, it could be a temporary camera. I should say that i have seen pics on the news and in the newspaper.

 

[leftcoast]

Hi Left. No, i have only seen the photos on jenniferkesse.com. Your right, it could be a temporary camera. I should say that i have seen pics on the news and in the newspaper.

Shva: Thanks. I don't mean to argue. I just want to know for sure. I appreciate your insight. Remember, I am on your side when it comes to the possibility of the POI picture being taken at night. I think it is possible, but, I can't make a conclusion because I don't have the inside info. that the investigators have.

I am going to stay open minded about the possibility of a camera on that pole.

thanks for responding

left

 

[shwa]

Your point is well taken Left. We will never know anything for sure but we can sure try.

One other thing. Why isn't there anybody else in the parking lot, only the mention of the poi.

 

[leftcoast]

Your point is well taken Left. We will never know anything for sure but we can sure try.

One other thing. Why isn't there anybody else in the parking lot, only the mention of the poi.

First, I must say I have a different opinion about the POI. My take, and it's just my opinion is as follows: The POI is caught either driving by the first camera, or parts or all of him are caught either parking the car, or getting out of Jk's car. Most likely parking. It is possible that only a part of him, such as his legs, etc. have been caught. Then, twenty seconds later, he is caught walking past the other camera, with the infamous picture. I could be wrong. But, it is my take.

It is possible the POI is a witness, but, I just don't understand why LE would call him a "POI", or why his picture would be sent to the FBI lab, or why the Kesse's keep on staring at the picture, as if to try and figure out if they remember this person, and why would LE spend so much time measuring his height, etc. at the scene. All of this for a witness. It tells me there is more to the POI, than just walking past a crimescene. Remember, just my opinion. We could all be wrong.

left

 

[shwa]

Hi Left. One thing that i have never read about is the exact route the tracking dog took, once he left the car after getting a scent from the front seat. If the dog followed the same route as the poi, which is along the fence around the pool, then probably to the street. The perp being the poi would be more creditable.

 

[leftcoast]

Hi Left. One thing that i have never read about is the exact route the tracking dog took, once he left the car after getting a scent from the front seat. If the dog followed the same route as the poi, which is along the fence around the pool, then probably to the street. The perp being the poi would be more creditable.

I agree.

I don't know the answer as to the exact route. I do know initial reports were the dog dragged the handler from car back to JK's condo's parking lot. However, I am not educated as to the exact route. I think LE was not happy that this clue was released to the public. AS they tried to retract that statement.

There is a saying that is something makes sense, then it most likley is true.

If that dog left JEnn's car at the HOTG, and took the same route around the fence, and back to JK's condo, to me, it probably happened that way, and the POI was the driver of JK's car.

left

 

[shwa]

Took a look around at the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper and at wesh news, video and image archives. Can't seem to get a good pic of the pool. But on the wesh news they do state that there are fixed cameras in the parking lot, but do not say exactly where.

Googled HOTG and they give out their address and phone number.

 

[UK Sleuth]

left & shwa

I was wondering as you believe the picture may have been taken at night why would LE say it was lunchtime?

Are you of the opinion that it could be a genuine error by LE due to the clock on the camera being erratic/broken?

Dont forget they have already said the clock was an hour out due to daylight saving so that suggests they have already confirmed that the clock was wrong.

Would they then intentionally in a missing persons case say it was lunchtime when they knew it was night?


I doubt it personally, just my opinion of course.

I still go back to the point that in the 2.5 days between when JK was last heard from and the car was discovered the only person they have selected as poi from that camera is the one we have.

I cant believe that is the only person to walk in front of that camera in 2.5 days.

Therefore in my opinion LE know for sure that the poi dumped the car there and for some reason unknown they wont say which is frustrating.

Left I like your theory of LE hoping the poi would come forward and then like a rabbit from a hat LE produce a second picture showing him leave the car.

I think however the poi would realise that LE suspect he dumped the car and will have prints, DNA etc to nail him with should he turn himself in whther they have another picture or not.

Just some more thoughts Im not trying to debunk your theory but as they say once you have eliminated everything else what your left with is the truth.

Hopefully one day someone will get there.