FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #3

[leftcoast]

UK

99% of me thinks the picture was taken at the time LE states. However, since this case is unsolved, and the poor picture quality, along with a few other odd items, I am leaving open the possibility of the car being parked at night.

As far as purposely trying to mislead us about the time of the car being parked. I don't believe that to be true.

It's a good point about that in 2.5 days, the POI could not have been the only person to have walked by that camera. LE has stated that they know the POI was on the premises at the time the car was dropped. That just need to state whether he was a witness or a driver. I say driver.

Although I have been hard on LE, I will be the first to admit this is a tough case. I just wish I had more faith in their ability to solve this case.

My point is as follows: The case is cold, what in the world does LE have to lose by releasing more clues. I'm sure that whenever the person is caught, and hopefully Jenn is safe, that LE will have more than enough to prosecute. So, why in the world would you hold back information which could solve this case? Jenn's return is the number 1 priority, prosecuting the person is second. Also, the safety of the community does come into play here.



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[shwa]

Hi UK. I could have overlooked a statement by LE,but i don't remember ever hearing or reading any confirmation on the exact time. Even the Kesse family have said it was during the day and to note the time.

If the poi dropped the car off after having it for several hours, i'd assume he/she knows the area, then why put it where there is security cameras and not a more isolated area. I believe they were using the disguise of night. I don't think the PD has errored, they just haven't given us the details.

 

[shwa]

Because she took her purse and briefcase along with her friends cell phone, it seems more reasonable that she left in the morning to go to work. Still wondering why the perp took these items. I wanted to look at this from a different angle and so the night time abduction started to make abit of sense.

With nobody hearing or seeing anything, and parking the car where there are security cameras, makes me think that it was at night.

 

[UK Sleuth]

shwa

I dont fully understand your post are you saying that you think its at night but LE dont realise its at night or are you saying it is at night and they know this but for some unknown reason arent telling the Kesses and the rest of the world?

Perhaps the poi didnt know there were cameras there, no such thing as a perfect crime and whilst in hindsight we can say that doesnt make sense in the heat of the moment the poi/perp decides to dump the car somewhere local as soon as possible.

To find somewhere remote would require a longer drive and a longer trip back in theory so get rid quick somewhere local and your less likely to be seen and its worked because you cant make out anything from them useless pictures.

Perhaps what appears to be a weird hat on the poi head is some attempt at disguise???

 

[leftcoast]

Another thing that we have not discussed here. The car which is pictured in the photo of the POI. Supposedly, the owner was found, and you would think he or she gave LE information as to the time in which his/her car was parked in that spot on that day. One would think this would help in the timeline.

As for the camera's at HOTG, SHVA, IMO, I really think those camera's are hard to spot. They are tucked underneath the eaves of the poolhouse. Sure, the sign on the pool fence mentions that security cameras are in use, but, if you are in a hurry, you are not going to stop and read that sign, especially at night. In my mind, this is further proof that the POI didn't live at HOTG, but, simply knew of this complex, and it was a convenient walk back to JK's.

One question for HOTG management would be, just how long have those camera's been in use?

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[Myserty64]

The big question is: where is Jennifer?

I think we can surmise that her car wasn't driven far because the fuel guage was 'about right' for leaving Fort Lauderdale and driving to her workplace in Orlando and back home.
Was she transported in her car or another vehicle?
Was she taken to a nearby house?
Or was she assaulted before she got near her car and bundled into an empty condo?

If we assume she was abducted between 7.30-8.00am and her car was dumped at noon there is four hours to account for.
Finally, there are several lakes and other bodies of water in the vicinity.

Where could Jennifer be?

 

[UK Sleuth]

Have any of these lakes been searched by divers?

That would be job number one in my book.

 

[leftcoast]

The big question is: where is Jennifer?

I think we can surmise that her car wasn't driven far because the fuel guage was 'about right' for leaving Fort Lauderdale and driving to her workplace in Orlando and back home.
Was she transported in her car or another vehicle?
Was she taken to a nearby house?
Or was she assaulted before she got near her car and bundled into an empty condo?

If we assume she was abducted between 7.30-8.00am and her car was dumped at noon there is four hours to account for.
Finally, there are several lakes and other bodies of water in the vicinity.

Where could Jennifer be?

You have some good questions, but, unfortunately, none of us has the answers.

Mystery: do you know any particulars about JK's schedule? When did she normally leave for work? did she work out in the morning? run? stop at Starbucks? etc. You seem to have the most infor. out of all of us. Keep up the good work

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[leftcoast]

Have any of these lakes been searched by divers?

That would be job number one in my book.

Uk: That first weekend, over 1,000 people searched the woods, etc. around jk's condo and the HOTG. I believe there is also a lake in the area. I don't believe it was dragged, but I am not certain.

As for other lakes in the area. Talk about a needle in a haystack. It is Florida. There are quite a few lakes, and of course the ocean. Don't ask me about mileage to various bodies of water. I really don't think this would be feasible, unless LE got a specific tip.

Plus, dont' mean to be gruesome, but, wouldn't something have surfaced by now?

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[UK Sleuth]

Apologies Im not too familiar with the landscape in Florida.
(I will make it to the US one day!!!!!!!!)

Yes I guess something would have surfaced unless weighted down of course.

The lack of witnesses along with the lack of fuel used suggests she was taken very local and not moved from there at all which means she is either held captive or I hate to say it buried at this place she was taken to.

Just my thoughts hope its the former of those two of course.

 

[leftcoast]

UK, didn't mean to be harsh, its' just that when lakes, etc. are searched, it usually comes from a tip, or in the PEterson case, he placed himself in the Marina by San Francisco. Even in that case, the sonar, and other equipment could not find anything.

What I think we are forgetting is that LE has been receiving tips on this case for over one year. I find it very, very, difficult to believe that not one person called in this POI's name to the tipline. THink about it logically, this case has been everywhere, national tv, fliers, even our friend's in the UK and Canada have heard about this, and not one person could recognize a 5"3-5"5 man (who is extremely short in the US), who dresses with those pants, has that walk, and would be recognizable by family, co-workers, etc.

I find it almost impossible to believe. Especially given the POI:s knowledge of the area. If LE hasn't i.d'd the POI, they should go over the list again, because common sense tells you his name is on the list.

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[Enrique Sparta]

I'm pretty sure the cops at least interviewed JK's family and her bf. They've come to the conclusion that she was abducted in or near her car in the morning of Tuesday Jan 24th, her parents feel the same. There are a number of reasons why we should too.

-because all of the above are reporting this. I don't believe in all this misinformation stuff the police might be throwing out there. that wouldn't help them at all in finding people who may have seen the mysterious POI if he was truly there at midnight and not the afternoon. I'll trust the Orlando Police Dept did some basic detective work here. Clearly they interviewed the boyfriend and it was a normal convo which came at about 10 PM Monday Jan 23. It's very likely she was in bed or right about to get into bed when she was last heard from. sure they don't give away all the information they have, but when they need the public's help they aren't gonna throw stuff out there that isn't true. Come on, how dumb and I mean really dumb would the POI have to be to come forward and say he was the POI if he was the one who drove the car. He wold literally have to be nearly brain-dead. There's only three scenarios for that POI guy (the police know more about him than they let on, we all know this)

1.He is THE guy and kidnapped JK, killed her, raped her, whatever awful act he has done or has her held captive somewhere.

2.he was an accomplice to the crime

3.he was an unwilling accomplice. perhaps a friend or acquaintence asked him to drop the car off there or somewhere there. Unlikely but it's possible.

If it's 1 or 2 zero chance he will come forward to the police as the POI. He may be evil and may even be stupid, but he knows what he did will get him life in prison at best. He's not volunteering anything, he knows he's in deep if anyone figures out it's him. If it's 3 he might come forward but it would have to be before whoever had him drive that car alerts him not to say a word and has to either let him in on what he had done OR tell him he will go to prison for a long time and to keep his mouth shut about ever driving that car. So no I don't buy the misinformation at all by the police. It doesn't make much sense to me to do that. Hold vital info back...definitely. Mislead the public whom you're asking for help? no.


-work clothes laid out on her bed, shower recently used, wet towel, and also briefcase gone too. Maybe she had trouble picking something to wear and would put the rest away when she got home later? If she were abducted in the middle of the night, why are her work clothes on her bed? Shower recently used? no briefcase? That would be one hell of a professional job if that was all staged and nothing else seemed odd or no hair or fingerprints or anything. And if this was the case, why are the police not treating her place as a crime scene? Why is nobody asking the residents about that night? Nah, everyone around JK (family, friends, bf) and the cops say morning Jan 24 on her way to the car or in her car. The layout of the apartment makes sense with this conclusion. Plus if it was a nighttime abduction why would the kidnapper wait around to have the shower running for a while? Or whatever, my shower dries rather quick after I'm done using it. Also it would be easy to ask her bf or friends what type of life she led. Was she a night person? Would it be common for her to go grab a bite to eat late at night? or go hang out with friends late at night or go the gym or do grocery shopping late? I think that's an obvious answer....no. I could be wrong but she seemed pretty dedicated to her job. Driving straight to work after a long drive home from vacation? in bed by 10 PM? That sounds like someone who leads a normal lifestyle. I'm sure her family gave all the info they could. Again all of them say morning of Jan 24, on the way to her car.


-about the car being parked at the Huntington. I'm pretty sure it was reported that the most recent anybody can remember that car being there was the following day Wednesday. A woman, who lived there I guess, had said she never noticed that car before and had almost backed into it. Perhaps there is more info that we don't know yet. It's possible somebody else came to the police and said they saw the car there at a certain time on Tuesday. Not revealed to the public though. I just remember that one woman saying she saw the car there on Wednesday, the day after the POI allegedly dropped the car off there. I dunno if this is critical since the cops and everyone have said the car was dropped off Tuesday Jan 24 at about noon, approximately 4 hours after JK was abducted.



-the A, B, C, D pictures on findjenniferkesse are interesting. the D one especially, it DOES look as if that's a camera there, up high. oh it would be just perfect to witness the POI or whoever getting outta the car after parking it. I don't see any reason though, for them to hold this information back and give us that god awful black and white photo. I wonder who took that picture, anybody know yet? Perhaps it's not a security camera and a news crew snapped the photo. The B photo is the best one of the POI and it still sucks. However from what I see, he is definitely carrying something. I've always thought it would be the package with the phone in it. Or maybe her briefcase. I also believe he's wearing a hat, either a backwards or sideways baseball hat or a derby hat or something. And of course I think it's a male. I also get the feeling he's walking awfully fast.

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[leftcoast]

Enrique: Did read your post. What some people are proposing are just possibilities, not conclusions. None of us, except for Jk and her abductor, know exactly what happened. I do have some problems with some of your statements.

First: you say your shower drys quickly. Well, if Jenn showers at 7 or so, in order to leave at 8, then why is the shower still wet at 3pm when the Kesse's arrive. Is 8 hours quick? I really don't think the shower information is of any value. It all depends on the temperature in the bathroom, etc. Plus, in other cases, bad guys have used the shower after committing a crime. This has happened more than once. I don't think it happened here, but it has happened. I think the shower is of no use.

As for the timeline, even the police had stated publicly to leave a timeline of 10pm until 9am open. Nobody knows what happened. Somebody could have entered her apartment at 5am, 6am, etc. or Jenn could have showered and ran out for an errand and been followed home the night before.

As for her briefcase, this is a stronger case for her being attacked on her way to work. However, if she kept her briefcase by the frontdoor, next to her carkeys, why wouldn't somebody grab it. Whose to say her briefcase wasn't left in the car, and the purse was taken because it had the car keys in it? NOt to mention her wallet and money. this could have been a robbery gone bad. Unlikely, but possible.

As for her clothes on the bed, maybe she was unpacking, maybe she was getting together clothes for the drycleaner, and just maybe she was chosing which outfit to wear the next day and was disturbed by a knock on the door or phone call.

In this forum, everybody has different views, ideas, etc. I think they are all very interesting. Stating with certainty that JK was attacked on the way to her car, is not appropriate unless there is more evidence that has not been shared with the public. In cases like these, strange things happen.

I agree that the most likely scenario is that JK was attacked on the way to her car. But, to eliminate or dismiss other possibilities would be a huge mistake.

As far as the POI coming forward: Stranger things have happened. Most criminals think they can outsmart the cops. You state" he would be a moron to come forward". Others in this forum think he is a moron for walking in front of a security camera.

Note: Police have been tight lipped about her landline, and if any calls came in. Why? What time did her phone stop sending pings to the cell tower?

You bring up some good points, but, by no means is this case a slam dunk, nor can we all assume JK was attacked going to her car.

There is a reason this case is unsolved. why? I don't know. But, I still think that all of the family and friends should have been required to take lie detector tests and give alibi's for the time of 10pm until 3pm on the 23 and 24th.

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As for camera D, if this camera was a fixed camera, like you propose, then why is the picture in color versus black and white for the other camera? why is the picture so clear versus the other? Why doesn't the picture say "camera 1 or camera 3 on it"? why no time stamp like the other picture? And why is this camera focused only on Jenn's car? the other cameras are most likely focused on the gates to the pool, then why is this camera only focused on Jenn's car?

For the record: I have never stated that LE would purposely give out false information as to the time of the POI picture. Others suggested the time culd have been incorrect and LE simply missed the error or simply didn't correct the error. So, let's clear that up.

 

[UK Sleuth]

Left no need to apologise you werent harsh i was being naive.

Excellent point about the poi, you would think it unlikely that he has not been identified by someone and perhaps been discounted.

I tend to agree with Enriques points I dont buy this misinformation stuff however I agree we must all keep an open mind.

 

[Enrique Sparta]

As for camera D, if this camera was a fixed camera, like you propose, then why is the picture in color versus black and white for the other camera? why is the picture so clear versus the other? Why doesn't the picture say "camera 1 or camera 3 on it"? why no time stamp like the other picture? And why is this camera focused only on Jenn's car? the other cameras are most likely focused on the gates to the pool, then why is this camera only focused on Jenn's car?

Perhaps it's not a security camera and a news crew snapped the photo

I didn't say what I thought was 100% right. Just what's likely based on what the cops and family say and I don't believe in the cops misleading the public whose help they're asking for. Excellent point on the shower, I forgot they didn't check out her apartment until later in the day. If she was abducted in the nighttime, I think it would be somebody coming to her door or getting in somehow as opposed to her leaving to run an errand when she was in all likelihood getting ready for bed and picking out the clothes for the next day. I heard they did give some polygraphs to a few people but didn't mention who.

I think you've gotta take an awful hard look at the construction workers, the other residents in that apartment complex and also the brother and his friends who were partying there the weekend JK was away.

this is some mystery

 

[leftcoast]

Enrique: We basically agree, just that you seem a lit more convinced of this happening in the morning, on the way to work. I think we all believe the most likely event was JK was attacked as she went to her car. I just don't want people to get tunnel vision, and exclude suspects because they have an alibi for the time JK was scheduled to leave for work.

I think we are all on the same page. Let's hope LE is thinking about this case as much as the public.

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[UK Sleuth]

Left do you know if any PIs have been involved?

I dont know the Kesses financial situation but I would think now is the time to get someone like that on the case as it appears to have dried up.

I know they have stated there are tips coming in dalily but that has probably been the case since day one and often is with all unsolved cases.

Perhaps they feel that a pi couldnt do any more than Le are doing however as previously mentioned LE only have so much resource on any one case.

Just a thought.

 

[leftcoast]

Left do you know if any PIs have been involved?

I dont know the Kesses financial situation but I would think now is the time to get someone like that on the case as it appears to have dried up.

I know they have stated there are tips coming in dalily but that has probably been the case since day one and often is with all unsolved cases.

Perhaps they feel that a pi couldnt do any more than Le are doing however as previously mentioned LE only have so much resource on any one case.

Just a thought.

Uk: AS far as I know, the Kesse's have been resistant to hiring a P.I. I have been suggesting this in forums since last JUly, and those close to them have responded back that the Kesse's are happy with LE. I don't know if they know something we don't, or if they just don't trust P.I."s, or what? I do know that both parents are employed, in professional jobs, and hence, one would assume they could afford a P.I., if they so chose to.

But, I do agree with you about hiring a p.i. I've seen firsthand, how some people will talk to P.I.s, and not LE, because many people are afraid of LE. That is a fact. Especially illegal aliens, who may play a part in this case, IMO

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ps I know that people close to the family, if not the family, scan these boards looking for information. Hopefully, they will think about hiring a P.I, assuming that LE has not identified the perp.

 

[UK Sleuth]

With regard to illegal aliens I agree sometimes LE are not trusted.

Dont know about the US but often the police here operate a 'We only want to know what you know' policy.

In other words if your are illegal and you know what happened to Jennifer we will turn a blind eye to that in exchange for your information.

 

[leftcoast]

With regard to illegal aliens I agree sometimes LE are not trusted.

Dont know about the US but often the police here operate a 'We only want to know what you know' policy.

In other words if your are illegal and you know what happened to Jennifer we will turn a blind eye to that in exchange for your information.

Uk : the same is usually true in the states. However, if you were a witness, would you take the chance? Not to mention the language barrier, and turning in a relative, neighbor, etc. PLus, after 9/11, things have changed over here. Many foreigners are very nervous about LE, and rightly so. Many people from the US have been deported since 9/11, who would have never been deported before 9/11. This is very much true.

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