FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #3

[drumstick]

If YOU or someone YOU know has any information about the disappearance of Jennifer Kesse, PLEASE!! call the two tip line phone numbers set up for YOU to call!

1-407-772-2162
or
1-800-423-8744

If you can't bring yourself to call these numbers then please seek the other ways to contact Jennifer's Mom & Dad.
You can call any attorney, pastor, or tell a friend of your's the situation and tell them to call. Tell someone! Anyone!
Please find a way!

Thank you ~

 

[shwa]

Hi Drumstick. I remember you from the old CFM forum, hope all is good. Maybe you can answer the question ... is the camera that took the photo of Jennifer's car marked "D" in jenniferkesse.com permanent or a temporary one?

 

[Myserty64]

shwa,

Could you kindly post a link that takes me directly to the photo 'D'. I cannot find it.
Thanks.

 

[leftcoast]

mystery:


the paste : http://jenniferkesse.com/aerial.htm. Scroll down to the "d" photo.

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[Myserty64]

Thanks leftcoast.

You could knock me down with a feather! That is the first time I saw that photo.
I feel like handing in my 'wanna be a detective badge.'
A point of interest is it is a color photgraph and very natural compared to 'C' which has been colored later.
I wonder if the photo is a police one or one taken by an automated security camera.
If the POI was captured on film parking the car I doubt this was the camera. There is another one somewhere.

 

[Myserty64]

For what it's worth everytime I look at the POI I think he is wearing a beret.

Also I can't fathom the pants he is wearing. Everytime I see the photo I think 'bicycle clips.'
Do many people ride bikes around Orlando?

I wonder if the POI is still alive? If he was an accomplice parking the car......................well, work it out for yourself.

 

[Bobbisangel]

For what it's worth everytime I look at the POI I think he is wearing a beret.

Also I can't fathom the pants he is wearing. Everytime I see the photo I think 'bicycle clips.'
Do many people ride bikes around Orlando?

I wonder if the POI is still alive? If he was an accomplice parking the car......................well, work it out for yourself.

It looks like he is wearing a beret to me too. It also looks like his pants are about up to his neck with his shirt tucked in! Probably just the way the pic looks though. I think his pants leg looks funny because he is taking a step and his pant leg looks kind of twisted. I don't know how anyone could be indentified by looking at any of those pictures.

 

[drumstick]

....is the camera that took the photo of Jennifer's car marked "D" in jenniferkesse.com permanent or a temporary one?

Hi!

My memory of the HOTG cameras would rule out the photo D from being taken
from those cameras. Wrong angle.
I could have overlooked a camera on the streetlight pole in the parking lot, but I suspect photo D was taken by a news crew or le after finding the car.

If you are a resident of that area and know anything about the person of interest in this case, I urge you to come forward and call the tip line.

I would also remind you that Mr. and Mrs. Kesse have set up a reward for anyone leading them to this person. $10,000.00

You can read more about the reward at www.findjenniferkesse.com

Please help find Jennifer ... please call the tip line.

1-407-772-2162
or
1-800-423-8744



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[Myserty64]

I wonder how Jennifer Kesse was overpowered without a trace of any evidence?
Even more mysterious is the fact if the POI was the abductor how did he do it so quickly and cleanly?

Jennifer was 5' 8" and she was both security conscious and intelligent. The POI was around 5' 4" and seems slightly built.
If Jennifer was abducted at or in her car there was no sign of a struggle either inside the car or outside in the form of scratches or scuff marks on the paint. It seems there were no small dents either.
Jennifer must have been taken totally by surprise but how was she disabled? Was it a headlock or at gun point or even the threat of a knife? Could she have been injected with a sedative?
As far as we know none of the belongings she had with here that day have been recovered including the car keys.

Due to the fact there was no sign of a struggle in the condo it has been generally overlooked as a place where the abduction occured. It is worth noting there has been no sign of a struggle anywhere.
It was said the locks were never changed on her condo so anyone who lived there previously could have had a key and therefore access. That to me is a scary thought.

Anyone who reads about cold cases knows there are a lot of unsolved crimes. However in just about all these cases someone saw something. Witnesses saw a car, or they saw someone acting suspiciously. Maybe the victim mentioned to a friend they had had some strange phone calls or there was a creepy ex-boyfriend in the background.
In this case there is nothing we are aware of. There is no physical evidence like clothing, footwear or anything else of Jennifer's. As far as we know nobody has seen anything.
It seems unbelievable but that's the way it is.

On the other hand did Jennifer know her abductor and that alone caused the surprise factor. An awful lot of victims know their attacker.
If this was the case however where does the POI fit in?

What on earth happened to Jennifer Kesse?

 

[leftcoast]

Due to the fact there was no sign of a struggle in the condo it has been generally overlooked as a place where the abduction occured. It is worth noting there has been no sign of a struggle anywhere.
It was said the locks were never changed on her condo so anyone who lived there previously could have had a key and therefore access. That to me is a scary thought.


What on earth happened to Jennifer Kesse?

Mystery: And you wanted to give up your "wannabe detective badge". good points.

I couldn't agree with you more.
Given that no evidence that we know about has been found, how can one conclude the condo was not where a crime or a confrontation occurred?

When JK's car was found, there was no way LE could determine where the crime scene was? Unless I am missing something. We were told the car was clean.

Then, how can you exclude something as a crime scene, when you don't know where the crime occurred? Especially the last place JK was known to have been before going missing.

The only way LE could have concluded the crime occurred in the parking lot of JK's car, is if there was a witness or physical evidence, such as a purse, broken window, clothes, etc.

If this had occurred, LE would have known on that Tuesday that JK was endangered, and that complex, along with her condo, would have been torn apart, on that Tuesday!! IMO.

Another thing. We keep on hearing that JK's seat was pushed back too far. Well, Jk is taller than the POI. How does this make sense? PLus, where a driver's seat is positioned does not always reflect the height of the driver. Some like to be close to the wheel, while other's like to ride low in their seats. The only valuable info. would be if JK's seat was not in her position in which she normally drives, or of course, video.

Has anybody ever entertained the thought that LE only has the video of the POI, and a picture of JK's car driving by that camera, and so many seconds later, the POI is caught walking by? I think that is a possibility. IMO (PS, the clock being off one hour would not require another camera. Simply, looking at the current time, versus the time on that camera when examined. ) Although, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of the other camera at least catching the time the car was parked, if operational, of course.


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[UM&AMWfan]

Uk : the same is usually true in the states. However, if you were a witness, would you take the chance? Not to mention the language barrier, and turning in a relative, neighbor, etc. PLus, after 9/11, things have changed over here. Many foreigners are very nervous about LE, and rightly so. Many people from the US have been deported since 9/11, who would have never been deported before 9/11. This is very much true.

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But then again so many illegal aliens are simply let go even when LE KNOWS they are illegal like the case of the illegals that were caught in North Carolina recently. ICE says they just don't have the resources to deal with it.

Unfortunately, illegals (which are mostly Mexican) kind of live in their own world and I wonder how much they would even care to call something in even if they saw something. They obviously could be scared of LE but also if some illegals saw something they could know the guy who perpetrated the act and the could fear reprisal if they tell on him.

But they could give an anonymous tip but I just wonder how much an illegal would care since they tend to live in their own seperate little world.

 

[UM&AMWfan]

Yeah, it's amazing how it seems that Jennifer disappeared into thin air without leaving signs of struggle or anythng else behind.

I hate to bring this up but an objective investigator needs to look at all the options.

If a body is never found there is a possiblitly that the perp. could've left the body in an alligator infested area hoping the gators would just take care of the evidence because this did happen if Florida where gators are most prevalent. It's unlikely this happened but it's a possibility.

I'm sure many of you have heard of the case of Amy Billig who disappeared around 30 years ago and was NEVER found. A biker on his death bed recounted a story that she was kidnapped and raped and was fed to the gators the SAME day as she disappeared.

What makes that so strange is that they were several sightings of Amy after she disappeared but if the biker's story is true then all those sightings were mistakes. Amy's mom died a year or 2 ago and her dad died before that so this case was really sad since both parents died and they never found Amy and still haven't and it's been so long that her remains would have completely decayed/been consumed by now so it seems like it would be impossible to find her now.

 

[drumstick]

I respectfully disagree.

It's not amazing or even surprising that Jennifer was kidnapped without leaving any signs of a scuffle.
This type of crime happens quickly, as in the case of Sandra Gregory in Birmingham, Alabama. Sandy's abduction was caught on a surveillance camera and we watched how quickly these crimes happen.

http://www.nbc10.com/news/9299535/detail.html video of Sandy's abduction

In Sandy's case a man nearby heard her scream and called 911.
That call made all the difference in the world in finding Sandra Gregory.

As far as the Amy Billig case ... I don't see a comparison.

It has been widely believed that Amy was kidnapped by Christopher Wilder.
Christopher Wilder lived in the same area at the time of Amy's disappearance
and fits his MO.
http://w3.lincolnu.edu/~rynard/Wilder.pdf


Jennifer Kesse is still missing.
If you have any information about her disappearance from Orlando, FL
please call the tip lines.
1-407-772-2162 or 1-800-423-8744

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[Enrique Sparta]

correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it true the cops haven't released any info on whether or not they found any evidence in the car? they did treat it is a crime scene, yes? and also I don't remember reading where it was a given that the car seat was pushed BACK. If I'm outta the loop, please let me know. I haven't read the articles on JK lately.

Also, suppose there is no prints or nothing in her car, the person driving it was careful to not leave any evidence or do their best not to. But they leave the car seat and mirrors in a different position than how JK had it while wiping away prints????? Doesn't add up.

what about some other photos from that same camera? look how far to the right the camera covers. Where's the POI in the next frame?

doesn't it look like their carrying something in their right arm? what do you think it could be?

 

[Enrique Sparta]

i went over lots of the articles re: JK

-this was covered extensively every day for the first several weeks. now it's very rare, the only time she's mentioned anywhere is the 9 month anniversary of JK's disappearance, 1 year anniversary, etc

-at first they referred to the POI was a male but then in later articles said they don't even know if it's a male or female. all they know is the person is between 5'3"-5'5" they also mentioned the clothing the POI may be wearing dark clothing and not light clothing as the video is inaccurate with light and dark colors. What a lousy security camera.

-the cops have never said if there was anything found in her car. there were no quotes on this, just one sentence stating that the cops haven't mentioned anything. Also JK's family sold the car which seems a bit odd although I'm sure the cops checked it out thoroughly and got whatever evidence there may have been before the family got rid of it. The last that was reported about the car was that cops were waiting for evidence found in the car. Evidence was sent for further analysis to FBI crime labs.

-lie detectors have been used but the police will not reveal who was polygraphed and how many overall. the immediate family did say they were not polygraphed.

-Apparently there were quite a few tips in the first several weeks following JK's disappearance. In fact there was a raid in some boarding house on 40th Street (I dunno where that is in relation to JK's apartment and where her car was found) the cops found this tip to be good and the informant to be VERY credible, they met with the tipster in person and several hours later, a S.W.A.T. team busted into that boarding house but of course they did not find JK and the article said the cops didn't find evidence that she had been there or where she might be now. The people living in the boarding house were questioned but not cooperative.

-one article mentioned that cops believe JK showered and got ready for work and may have been abducted right after that or when dropping off a fed-ex package or getting coffee. however they leave from 10 PM until the next day open, nothing set in stone.

-The cops were awfully confident that this case was gonna be solved within the week or the next couple of days, etc. The article mentioned the cops said JK's disappearance involved transients and it was a matter of getting names and locating them. This was in February of '06, just a few weeks after JK's disappearance.

that about sums it up. i wonder what the credible tips were about? and why they suspect transients? wish we knew more. this case is most definitely cold though.



here is an article from February 14th, 2006 which I found awfully interesting, especially considering how confident the detectives were to solving the case.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2006/2/14/jennifer_kesse_case.html

 

[Enrique Sparta]

i found something else, it's from that Greta woman who interviewed JK's parents on her show.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184976,00.html


Drew Kesse - The person of interest is vitally important to us and it's vitally important that person come forward and come forward now before he gets himself in more trouble.


Interesting I didn't know the POI was in trouble. I thought it was just somebody the police wanted to talk to? Someone who may have seen something? Yeah Right. Of course the POI is involved in her abduction in some way.

 

[leftcoast]

correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it true the cops haven't released any info on whether or not they found any evidence in the car? they did treat it is a crime scene, yes? and also I don't remember reading where it was a given that the car seat was pushed BACK. If I'm outta the loop, please let me know. I haven't read the articles on JK lately.

Also, suppose there is no prints or nothing in her car, the person driving it was careful to not leave any evidence or do their best not to. But they leave the car seat and mirrors in a different position than how JK had it while wiping away prints????? Doesn't add up.

what about some other photos from that same camera? look how far to the right the camera covers. Where's the POI in the next frame?

doesn't it look like their carrying something in their right arm? what do you think it could be?

LE has been very quiet on what they found in the car, and rightfully so. Supposedly, they did admit that there was no sign of a struggle, or blood, from what I can recall.

As for the seat being pushed back, that has been mentioned by others on this site, not LE. IF you look at pictures of JK's car at HOTG http://jenniferkesse.com/jennifers-car.htm , you can determine where the seat was. Of course, one must know the position that JK normally had the seat in while driving.

As for prints, nobody knows.
LE has not stated whether prints were found or not.
If no prints were found in that car, it obviously shows that the perp. wiped down the car.
However, it is possible that LE did get a print, but no match in AFIS. Who knows? If any prints were found, they could be from JK, a friend, etc., who are not in the AFIS system. OR it could just be a partial print, palm, print, etc., which can be matched if and when the POI or perp. is identified.

As for the third frame of the POI, we have seen that photo. It doesn't show anything, other than the pOI further to the right, just to the right of the palm tree.

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[leftcoast]

Again:


Why weren't roadblocks used in the days after JK's disappearance to try and obtain more information from commuters?

How many more months will go by, until LE admits this case is cold, and decides to re-ignite public interest in this case by releasing additional clues?

When, if ever, will be the right time to hire a private investigator? Aren't two sets of eyes, and investigators, better than one?

I just hope LE is not having tunnel vision on this case.

Something about this case, it is just too clean.

Sometimes when we can't figure things out, ie, this crime, the best thing to do is to start over.

I still argue the POI's name must be on the list of names called in by the public.

frustrated with lack of progress

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[UK Sleuth]

I wouldnt read anything into the position of the car seat which has been speculated about, how would anyone except JK know her driving position?

The only thing that would be weird is if the seat was pushed so far back that someone of 5ft 8in could not reach the pedals and this does not tie in with the height of the poi.

If we believe the poi dumped the car that is.(We dont know this for sure but its fairly good conjecture that LE think/know so)

The height differential of 3 - 5 inches between the poi and JK would suggest that you could not tell that its not JKs driving position.

This appears to be a rumoured theory that 'that is how they know that somebody else drove the car to HOTG'.

I dont buy that theory, LE know for some other reason.

That just leads back to the lack of information problem, to get any further as websleuthers we would need to know the answer to these questions which are I amsure bugging you like they me:

WHY IS THE POI A POI?
If the answer is 'because they dumped the car' then question two is:

HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOU ONLY HAVE THOSE TWO POI PICS?

Im finding it hard to believe that if LE have another shot of the poi parking the car that they wouldnt have released it by now due to lack of progress.

 

[Myserty64]

Well, there are many good points made in the posts above.

I agree that these abductions are made at speed and they can also be violent.
With what I have read here I am leaning towards a gun being used.
The next question is was Jennifer taken in her car or another one?

I'm also thinking there was more than one offender in this abduction and I think it's obvious they were transients. That's the very reason they haven't been found.
If one of the offenders is in fact an 'accessory after the fact' I believe he is the one who parked the car and is the POI. He could well have been asked to shift her car from Mosaic to Huntington.

This is purely conjecture I know but what else can we do? We have very little to work with.

Finally, I'm certain that theft wasn't a motive in this case.
Does anyone care to suggest a motive?