FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #5

[SeriouslySearching]

BB & Left~ There weren't many people living in the condos at the time, is my understanding. This could explain the lack of those 'nosey' neighbors. I would like to know exactly how many people were living in her building at that time.

 

[curves]

Thanks for posting the articles UFC, I hadn't read them. In one of them Rob says Jennifer would call or text him on his way to work every morning. To me that implies she was calling from her cell which was something everybody was wondering about.

 

[GoodAim]

Wonder how much time Jennifer spent on her balcony?

A view of her condo balcony would be best from where?

Is it possible that activity in the condo, lights, open slider could signal anyone looking in or driving through the parking lot whether she was home?

If perp had a plan to assault her in her apartment maybe his plan was thrown off by Jennifer leaving earlier than usual to mail the cellphone? Perp might have had to go to a new plan (including dumping the car without having checked to see if there was video surveillence) not as well thought out. He may have been about to head up the stairs when Jennifer was coming down.

Who at her job was most concerned about her not showing up? Who mentioned the attempted entry into her condo one night that supposedly frightened her? Did other people hear that from Jennifer?

I don't understand why her company got so worried so quickly... I was an extremely responsible 24-year-old worker and in no job would anyone get alarmed like that if I wasn't there by 11:30... of course email or cell phone weren't as popular then... But I cannot think of any instance where someone would look up my "emergency numbers" in my file and call my parents! At that age I would've taken that to be quite an invasion of my privacy. Even though Jennifer was known to be responsible, never late without contacting them, known by some at work to be concerned with the workmen around her condo, I guess I'm asking if this is the way things are done now? Was it an overreaction at the time even though it horribly turned out to be a true alarm? Sometimes people who set off the alarm are people who know something and want to get the "ball rolling" because they're edgy.

Just thinking out loud.

 

[leftcoast]

good aim

Keep on thinking out loud, I like a lot of the ideas

left

 

[nanandjim]

...Your point is why I am so suspicious of a "fight" or altercation on the way to the car. One has to wonder if Jk was overpowered via a stun gun, medicine, inside the condo, or in some manner in which she couldn't fight back...

This is why I suspect that Jennifer knew her abductor. He somehow duped her into giving him a ride somewhere for some reason. He may have caught her off guard while she was preparing for work and even waited for her in her apartment. Why else would she not call her boyfriend that morning?

Could the abductor live at HOTG or perhaps just parked his vehicle there? He apparently was familiar with this apartment complex and left her car there. Plus, couldn't the perp have hopped over the fence coming from HOTG?

It just seems to me that someone would have seen or heard a struggle if this were a stranger abduction.

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

I would have to go back and find some of the links to the interviews early on, but Jenn's condo was formally an apartment complex with rentals. There were a lot of condo conversions in Florida during 2005-2006. Jenn's condo was one of those. She had a "punch list" is what I've heard it referred to, and she chose to be home when the work was being done on her condo per the interviews. She would always be on the phone with someone- mom, dad, etc. while any of the workers were in her condo. There were a lot of empty units at Mosaic as not a lot of the apartments had sold.

As much as most complexes have those "condo commandos" unfortunately, Mosaic wasn't one of them.

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

Also, being close in age to Jenn, I actually had a discussion with my manager and coworkers and they all agreed that if I wasn't in by a certain time they would be worried and would probably call my parents. I think that it really depends on who knows what about you. I have a very close relationship to my parents and friends just like JK does. I think that if she had a good relationship with her boss and coworkers and they have a history of the way Jenn does things, then that could be why the alarm was sent up. If she was suppose to be at work by 9am, and no one has heard from her since by 11am and she calls when she's even running 5 minutes late, that would raise a red flag imo.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

UFC~ We ran across one of those sites where you can offer your opinion on your apartment complex. There were more than one of the posts that lived there while it was still "Traditions" apts. In those, there were several mentions of burglaries WITH keys of different apartments. It is our understanding her lock had not been changed when she went missing.
http://www.apartmentratings.com/rate/FL-Orlando-Tradition.html

Some of us thought it was possible the perp entered with such a key and Jenn had mentioned someone trying to access her apt. with a key...but we never found out the time frame on that. (By the way, they didn't process her apartment after she went missing to our knowledge.)

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Wonder how much time Jennifer spent on her balcony?

A view of her condo balcony would be best from where?

Is it possible that activity in the condo, lights, open slider could signal anyone looking in or driving through the parking lot whether she was home? Here is the site map for Mosaic. I believe her apartment was facing the big lake if I am not mistaken. It shows a drive going around all the buildings and one would assume her lights would be visible as well as her balcony and on the end.
http://www.ownmosaic.com/flash/images/zoom/template.html
http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,...17,00.html#9_0 < pic of balcony

If perp had a plan to assault her in her apartment maybe his plan was thrown off by Jennifer leaving earlier than usual to mail the cellphone? Perp might have had to go to a new plan (including dumping the car without having checked to see if there was video surveillence) not as well thought out. He may have been about to head up the stairs when Jennifer was coming down. In that case, why wouldn't he have taken her back into her apartment instead of the car? Had he not been a resident and had been watching her...I would consider this a better option for not getting caught. It would have just been easier. Besides, he would have to know which car was hers and where she was parked. Also, if he WAS a resident...who is to say he didn't take her into HIS apartment nearby? Or even an empty one...if perhaps he had a key?

Just thinking out loud.

Keep thinking out loud!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Also, being close in age to Jenn, I actually had a discussion with my manager and coworkers and they all agreed that if I wasn't in by a certain time they would be worried and would probably call my parents. I think that it really depends on who knows what about you. I have a very close relationship to my parents and friends just like JK does. I think that if she had a good relationship with her boss and coworkers and they have a history of the way Jenn does things, then that could be why the alarm was sent up. If she was suppose to be at work by 9am, and no one has heard from her since by 11am and she calls when she's even running 5 minutes late, that would raise a red flag imo.

I tend to agree. As an employer with a smaller company, if one of my girls were young, single, living alone, and extremely dependable...it would raise a red flag for me, too. I would be worried and wondering if she were too ill to call in, perhaps. Either way, I would have contacted someone on her emergency list to check up on her after a certain period of time if I weren't able to reach her. If the parents were always able to contact her by her cellphone...so could the people from work.

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

Exactly my point- if I weren't here by a certain time, they couldn't reach me via cell phone, then I want them to call my parents or whoever might be on my emergency list. I think that the fact that her employer was so on the ball was a good thing to me, as precious hours that could have been missed might not have been because of their actions.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Exactly my point- if I weren't here by a certain time, they couldn't reach me via cell phone, then I want them to call my parents or whoever might be on my emergency list. I think that the fact that her employer was so on the ball was a good thing to me, as precious hours that could have been missed might not have been because of their actions.

Yes, they did exactly the right thing by calling her parents when they did instead of waiting. Even though it doesn't seem to make a difference, it could have and we just don't know yet. It could have forced him to change his plan and make some mistakes...like parking her car where there was cctv! At least, the people from work and parents have the knowledge they were right on top of things from the get go. (Helps with the 'what ifs' now.)

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Left~ Since we pretty much know they didn't process her apartment...is it reasonable to assume they didn't process any other empty apartment near her's?!

 

[LionRun]

Regarding the release of the video: It appears that "many" in OPD did not want to release the video of the POI parking JK's car. IT appears, that Drew had to "encourage" the release of the video.

OPD finally relented, because "they are out of leads". I don't like the sound of that.

left

I have a couple of questions. First, does someone have a direct link to the video described above? I have dial up that is 5 times SLOWER than regular dial up so it takes 10 minutes for one short video to load--if it ever does. I would really like to see it if possible, though.

Also, I read in a recent post that Jennifer was wary of someone trying to use her key to her apartment.

Some of us thought it was possible the perp entered with such a key and Jenn had mentioned someone trying to access her apt. with a key...but we never found out the time frame on that. (By the way, they didn't process her apartment after she went missing to our knowledge.)

Does anyone have any additional facts on this? Do you know who it was who said this? Do you know in what context it was stated? Does anyone know when this was stated?

Lion

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I believe it was Logan, her brother, who mentioned it early on in an interview. I could be wrong about that tho. I will try to find it.

As far as them not processing the apartment, the media would have known about that. Greta's team was there and took the photos some time after she went missing. There was nothing to indicate her apartment had undergone any processing such as fingerprinting etc. As far as I know, there was never any mention of it anywhere either. It was reported the apartment was turned over to the parents almost immediately because they didn't believe anything took place there.

I think it is one point Left and I agree wholeheartedly on...they should have secured it and done a full scale invest IN the apartment, taking her laptop in, and been looking for other things that could have been pertinent (such as the box for the Ipod for the number or receipts). They took the word of the family that nothing was out of place or missing...IMO.

Let me find the better video for you. It was cleaned up by a tv station and is so much more clear. Here you go: http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_local_orlandocrime/2007/05/the_new_video_i.html

 

[UM&AMWfan]

WHAT??? WHY didn't they process Jenn's apartment or any empty apartments nearby? They should've process Jenn's apartment thoroughly and then at least checked on ALL the nearby apartments and the empty ones too!

Didn't they go around knocking on everyone's door to see if they saw or heard anything?

 

[crypto6]

I don't really think the abduction occurred in the hallway, just thought it odd how dark it was in her complex.

I wish we knew where the dog tracked the scent to. Is it to the stairwell or in the woods behind the M complex?

We know at least to the stairwell; OPD is being circumspect about whether Bo continued up to the door. I would surmise that if Bo had gone to the door, the condo would have been processed, but can't be certain.

Crypto6

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, they did knock. People don't have to answer and they can't enter another apartment without permission or having a warrant tho. (OR unless they hear or see someone in immediate danger which would also allow them entry.)

 

[crypto6]

Hi crypto6
I once heard the term ... scent pool ... described as a place of conflict.
Could you elaborate.

Scent pool seems to be the totality of the scent traces, air and ground, and usually refers to the scent in a place the subject has left a significant amount(sleeping, hiding >1 hour). If the pool is large and contains more than one scent, the dog will have difficulty following, esp if they diverge.

Thanks for the interest.

Crypto6

 

[crypto6]

Here's an article about the search dogs. Most of the people here, believe in the search dogs, but a few say "the dog was not tracking right". I don't know where or how they came up with this, but, like everything on the internet, nothing is unanimous.

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/01/27/State/Car_of_missing_Orland.shtml

left

Each dog has a unique tracking style, so unless you're the handler, I don't see how someone could claim to know how well the dog was performing in his/her tracking.