FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #5

[UM&AMWfan]

It isn't drugs. It is medication. There is a big difference. Joyce said she had to go on "anti-anxiety medication" right after Jk was abducted. Also, that Drew had lost over 30 pounds because of the stress.

Why is that so out of the ordinary? Many people that go through horrific events need medication in order to help through devastating times. That is why there is medication. I can't imagine getting through such a horrific event.

It is accurate. When I have time, I will try and find the exact quote.

It is in the January Orlando Sentinel article. Just Google, ORlando Sentinel, and it is in one of the articles.

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Of course they are drugs. Medications ARE drugs. That's why it's called a "Drug Store".

Trust me. I have enough doctors in my family. You are thinking of ILLEGAL drugs like herion, coke, meth, etc.

 

[LionRun]

I think that UMandAMWfan meant it innocently when asking about what Joyce may have been taking. Medications are drugs, and I think that is all that was meant. Sadly, prescription drug addiction is at epidemic proportions, which is a whole other can of worms. But, in Joyce's case she may be taking a a helpful, prescription drug/medication as prescribed. She is probably doing what is best for herself under these agonizing conditions. I hope and pray for Jennifer, Joyce, and all in their family that dear Jennifer is found and this case can be resolved.

Lion

 

[Utopia]

Wow you guys have been busy! I haven't been here a couple of days and am trying to get caught up.

Lion - great to see you here! You are a wealth of information, I just knew you would be a big help. Its too bad you weren't the handler in this case - it might be solved by now if you were!

 

[LionRun]

Wow you guys have been busy! I haven't been here a couple of days and am trying to get caught up.

Lion - great to see you here! You are a wealth of information, I just knew you would be a big help. Its too bad you weren't the handler in this case - it might be solved by now if you were!

Glad to see you, too Utopia. And, thank you for the compliments, you are very kind. I wasn't in that situation, and I don't know all the facts involved in why they searched the way they did. I don't know if I would have had success and I was not in their shoes. But, thank you.

Lion

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

There hasn't been much talk about Jennifer the past few days. Let's get back to her.. Jenn needs to be found and her family needs answers- good or bad.

Praying for Jenn's Miracle..

 

[SeriouslySearching]

There hasn't been much talk about Jennifer the past few days. Let's get back to her.. Jenn needs to be found and her family needs answers- good or bad.

Praying for Jenn's Miracle..

I agree, but we need to keep abreast of the Kelsey Smith case. I would urge the Kesse family to do the same. They need to take a serious look into sending investigators to Kansas. Perfect reason now to hire a PI or be climbing onto the FBI to avail themselves in both cases.

Jennifer is never far from my mind. We have been searching for answers here for a long time now. She does need to be found and it is time the family pull out ALL the stops to that end. They need to stop putting all their eggs in one basket with this police department and expand their efforts. Until they do, they are basically at a standstill in this case. :banghead:

 

[Bobbisangel]

I think that UMandAMWfan meant it innocently when asking about what Joyce may have been taking. Medications are drugs, and I think that is all that was meant. Sadly, prescription drug addiction is at epidemic proportions, which is a whole other can of worms. But, in Joyce's case she may be taking a a helpful, prescription drug/medication as prescribed. She is probably doing what is best for herself under these agonizing conditions. I hope and pray for Jennifer, Joyce, and all in their family that dear Jennifer is found and this case can be resolved.

Lion

Joyce is very smart if she recognized that she needed to take something for anxiety and depression right away. Anyone who hasn't been there wouldn't understand the impact of losing a child. It is horrible. I refused to take anything for the first year because I thought that we have to grieve and that might interfere but boy was I mistaken. I almost fell apart and thank God it was in front of a therapist at a grandparents meeting at my granddaughter's school. I started seeing her after that and I went to my doctor and asked for an antidepressant. It really helped.

 

[LionRun]

Joyce is very smart if she recognized that she needed to take something for anxiety and depression right away. Anyone who hasn't been there wouldn't understand the impact of losing a child. It is horrible. I refused to take anything for the first year because I thought that we have to grieve and that might interfere but boy was I mistaken. I almost fell apart and thank God it was in front of a therapist at a grandparents meeting at my granddaughter's school. I started seeing her after that and I went to my doctor and asked for an antidepressant. It really helped.

Hello Bobbiesangel. It is good to see you. I totally agree with everything you said. I can only imagine what it was like for you that first year:blowkiss:.

Lion

 

[SeriouslySearching]

OK..I can't believe someone even brought up Joyce having some Anti-depressants, but since you did...I have a right to comment. If my child were missing and my Doctor was so much oblivious to this condition and he DID NOT PRESCRIBE such medication....I would dump him~ She is going through the MOST stressful time in her life and I would hope that her Doctor would recognize this. He SHOULD have given her something if it meant her mental and physical health were suffering.

How DARE people take this as her "TAKING DRUGS"! Obviously, you know nothing about such things and don't consider normal mental health as something we all have a reasonable right to own.

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

I always wonder if the Kesse's might have hired a PI and just not made it public knowledge. If it were me, that would be the route I would go.

 

[rd_jfc]

Just my opinion, but it has always appeared they decided the best and maybe only lead was someone seeing the person near Americana and Texas that day, and that they do the legwork themselves to try to prompt that someone's memory.

It's difficult to do much investigation without asking questions, and anyone asking questions would have been commented upon by now by someone.

The Levys had private detectives, former DC homicide detectives, who worked for the lawyer they had in Washington at the time. They did great work in catching things the DC police missed, such as a large leg bone near where her body was found that the police didn't find, and I'm quite sure that if there had been a PI on Jennifer's case the official estimate of the height of the suspect would have been found to be suspect itself.

Plus it's very expensive. The DC detective PI's worked pro bono after awhile just because they wanted to finish what they had started. And there are political issues with the police. So I think it's just what it is, a PR campaign and no stealth private investigation.

But that's just a view from afar.

rd

 

[LaMer]

In reading all of the posts, one thing that I've seen discussion about was the fact that Jenn's clothes were on her bed. Being around her age, I am the same way when I get up in the morning.

Usually I have an outfit that I think I want to wear and then try it on and for one reason or another, I decide that I want something else. I usually end up leaving the clothes on my bed. I also am the same way with the pjs on the floor and the make up on the counter, etc.

IMO, I don't think it was a "staged" scene. I think that is truly how Jenn left her condo. I think it was in the morning, but again, I can't tell you that for a fact.

Just some thoughts

Hi UCFAlumni, it is so great to see you here, really great! Your posting of the articles was fantastic too, as time has passed, and some of us have forgotten some points. In fact, when the interest picked up here, I was thinking about you, and hoped you would join in the discussion. You were always a wealth of knowledge, and a keeper of keeping everything straight.

The site which was supported in some manner by ChildWatch (sorry I forget the name), has it been closed? The link I have doesn't work anymore.

What you posted about Jenn's clothes on her bed and the toiletries/make-up, was exactly what Mrs. Kesse had said, right after Jenn's disappearance. In fact she said, Jenn always left everything around, clothes on the bed etc.

I think of Jenn all the time, hoping and hoping she will be found, and found alive. I also have high hopes she is still alive, being held somewhere. May God bring her home. You never know, we can't give up HOPE! :angel:

Well, again it is nice to see you here, hope all is well with you.

 

[LaMer]

I always wonder if the Kesse's might have hired a PI and just not made it public knowledge. If it were me, that would be the route I would go.

I agree, that's the way I would proceed too.

UCFAlum, there were some posts back a few pages about LE concerning searching the condos near Jenn's condo. I seem to remember LE did search the condos near Jenn's condo. I also seem to remember there were several empty condos, which were serached by LE, isn't that correct? As for others, which had been occupied, I can't recall. Surely LE talked to all the neighbors.

Another thing, concerning the height of the poi. Was it ever reported the driver's seat had been moved forward from the position where Jenn adjusted it, for a person who would be shorter than Jenn? I remember some discussion about it, but was most of the discussion of suspicion, being the poi was reported to be 5'3"-5'4" or it been reported?

Everything about Jenn's disppearance is so frustrating. -sigh-

 

[curves]

Hoping for more information soon, why are her parents so resistant (it seems) to anyone else trying to find Jennifer except for the police? Someone posted an article a while back and it quotes Drew as saying something like 'people who are armchair sleuths come up with all sorts of therioes about what happened to Jennifer' and it came accross quite negatively I thought. Why would anyone mind people who genuniely care, trying to find out what happened to their daughter?

I certainly don't want to put Jennifer's parents down - they are living a nightmare. I only hope LE releases more information soon otherwise this case is just going to fade into obscurity.

 

[UK Sleuth]

Hi all

I have read a lot of the posts not all as I have been away on hols for a week, some good thoughts and I see we now have better info on tracker dogs from LionRun.

Curves I agree with your post perhaps the family are very 'by the book' people and want to stick with LE but I would certainly have a PI on it behind the scenes.

The more and more you reflect on this case the more it feels to me there are pieces or piece of the jigsaw missing.

The lack of information regarding Jennifer and her life at Mosaic.
What were her habits?
Had she made friends there?
Bare in mind her B/F lived in Ft Lauderdale Im guessing she had to amuse herself during the week and some weekends?

Had she made a female pal locally, did this pals husband or boyfriend take a shine to Jennifer, knew she was going away and got Jealous?

There isn't enough known about Jennifers lifestyle but I think the answer to this could lie in the detail, her family will of course know but sometimes you can't see the 'wood for the trees' as they say.

Perhaps the fresh eyes of a PI would spot something they don't like the Unabomber case that leftcoast mentioned.

If I were a PI on the case I would learn Jennifers routine in and out, where she went, friends, friends of friends, husbands of work colleagues.

I could go on!

Also the immediate response to her being missing I find highly interesting.
It comes immediately from work and then her brother drives over there a 3 hour drive.

It just makes me think its almost like people knew someone had tried to break in to her apartment and then when she was late everyone panicked(rightly so)

Its all very panicky don't you think?

To me the biggest clue here is that Jennifer has gone missing withing 8 or 9 weeks of living somewhere new, that to me is compelling.

Not fact of course but I believe if you can learn intimately about Jennifers life in that period you may have the answers.

It could of course be a random attack but you have to play the odds first in my opinion.

 

[Enrique Sparta]

Hoping for more information soon, why are her parents so resistant (it seems) to anyone else trying to find Jennifer except for the police? Someone posted an article a while back and it quotes Drew as saying something like 'people who are armchair sleuths come up with all sorts of therioes about what happened to Jennifer' and it came accross quite negatively I thought. Why would anyone mind people who genuniely care, trying to find out what happened to their daughter?

I certainly don't want to put Jennifer's parents down - they are living a nightmare. I only hope LE releases more information soon otherwise this case is just going to fade into obscurity.

Ironic considering JK's family is literally pleading with the public to help them identify the suspect.

The public is by far, BY FAR, the best tool law enforcement has when there is little information at a crime scene or regarding a suspect in a crime.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Ironic considering JK's family is literally pleading with the public to help them identify the suspect.

The public is by far, BY FAR, the best tool law enforcement has when there is little information at a crime scene or regarding a suspect in a crime.

I totally agree! The way LE has played this out, you would think they had all the answers and were just waiting on that "one piece" to lock it together...but if they told the whole truth (and they have suggested this in more than one interview)...they are waiting on the REST of the pieces because they only have one (The lousy video and photos)! Get the public involved and stop being so arrogant about this case. (IMO, this is the way they are acting about it.)

 

[philamena]

Yep. I hate to admit it but the OPD IM ONLY are to blame for Jennifer's case never being solved and her never being found. They had the car, they had fingerprints, they had an enhanced tape. They didn't know how to deal with a kidnapping. :banghead:

 

[Enrique Sparta]

Yep. I hate to admit it but the OPD IM ONLY are to blame for Jennifer's case never being solved and her never being found. They had the car, they had fingerprints, they had an enhanced tape. They didn't know how to deal with a kidnapping. :banghead:

that's not true at all. the enhanced video tape still sucks, it's horrible, releasing it right away probably wouldn't have made any difference. the still photos are better actually. the only thing the tape is good for is so everybody knows the suspect photos are of the real suspect who was driving her car and not just a guess that that person might know something. the fact that you can't even tell the gender of the suspect proves how useless those photos and tape are.

hair and fingerprints, etc aren't any help when you don't have a suspect to match them with. And they must've ran all that through the database and no matches. it's obvious this person has never been arrested in this country before.

 

[UM&AMWfan]

One day maybe satellite views of earth (like Google earth) will be so good and high resolution that you would actually be able to zoom in on that morning when Jen disappeared and actually see what happened!!

Although the technology may exist one day the problem is can they have a constant recording of every place in the country since we never know when or where a crime will take place?

Maybe they could just save their data for a few hours and if LE informs them within that time frame they would have the saved satellite view. Although it's pretty unrealistic they could save such precise satellite views for the entire country even for a few minutes.

Unless they could save just a larger view for certain regions of the country and then do an incredible zoom job if they needed to!! But you can't maintain the resolution if you're zooming in 100X or 1000X!

Do you guys remember they mentioned something about a satellite view for the O.J. murders since that happened outside and if they were to somehow be able to really zoom in on that Rockingham estate then we could see O.J. hacking up Ron and Nicole!!