FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #21

[Kamille]

I just found something. It may be nothing but I'm reporting it. I just don't know the appropriate person to contact. Who is the official lead investigator for Michelle's case? Not spokesperson but lead investigator?

Also, I found a detective that is on the SMART panel that is on Michelle's case, as well as Jennifer Kesse's case (among others) and I'd like to know if he's the person to contact to go to the top. Detective Pat Schneider - is he the person to call?

I'm sure if you google Michelle Parker, lead detective, it will bring you to some old news articles with the name or names of the lead detectives in the case.

MOO

 

[Jazzmaster]

IMO there is no obvious reasons for Dale to remove the decals at the condo, either in the driveway or in the garage, Michelle has been at the condo dropping the kids off presumably many times before (not 100% sure here), and an H3 is something people don't just notice but usually stare at, and decals are there for the simple reason they attract attention. Dale could not count at all that the hammer would not be spotted arriving by a neighbor already familiar with such a vehicle at such a location, nor could it count on the same neighbor not noticing the obvious absence of the decals at departure, a piece of evidence he might have no way to explain when confronted by the police.

IMO The remover of the decals here are consistent with everything else we know about the perp: a methodical person who makes reasonable cost-benefit analysis and acts accordingly. Here, at least in one theory, he needs to drive as far away as possible from the point of abduction but with a vehicle that is very noticeable and with large decals, one instinct might very well dictate the immediate removal of the decals, but that would only decrease to a degree the risk of a more precise identification of the vehicle as belonging to MP, but then again so would the license plates themselves, conversely he could simply step out from the relative safety of the interior of the H3 provided by tinted glasses and take a chance on being identified, again the cost-benefit analysis here are clear to the perp, he will continue on driving to his destination where the decals will be among everything else he can safely dispose of.

Can't say I disagree with the possibility! I would think that if this were the case you would need to lean more toward premeditation...if he went through that MUCH thought. Now if she wasn't killed at the condo...again premeditation.

 

[Thor]

Can't say I disagree with the possibility! I would think that if this were the case you would need to lean more toward premeditation...if he went through that MUCH thought. Now if she wasn't killed at the condo...again premeditation.

No, IMO that indicates to me someone who's done it before.

 

[Jazzmaster]

No, IMO that indicates to me someone who's done it before.

So you are saying Dale could possibly have abducted other women before?

 

[Kamille]

IMO there is no obvious reasons for Dale to remove the decals at the condo, either in the driveway or in the garage, Michelle has been at the condo dropping the kids off presumably many times before (not 100% sure here), and an H3 is something people don't just notice but usually stare at, and decals are there for the simple reason they attract attention. Dale could not count at all that the hammer would not be spotted arriving by a neighbor already familiar with such a vehicle at such a location, nor could it count on the same neighbor not noticing the obvious absence of the decals at departure, a piece of evidence he might have no way to explain when confronted by the police.

IMO The remover of the decals here are consistent with everything else we know about the perp: a methodical person who makes reasonable cost-benefit analysis and acts accordingly. Here, at least in one theory, he needs to drive as far away as possible from the point of abduction but with a vehicle that is very noticeable and with large decals, one instinct might very well dictate the immediate removal of the decals, but that would only decrease to a degree the risk of a more precise identification of the vehicle as belonging to MP, but then again so would the license plates themselves, conversely he could simply step out from the relative safety of the interior of the H3 provided by tinted glasses and take a chance on being identified, again the cost-benefit analysis here are clear to the perp, he will continue on driving to his destination where the decals will be among everything else he can safely dispose of.

Removing them at the condo would prevent the obvious. The Hummer was about to travel in the exact opposite direction than Michelle was supposed to be going. If anyone had noticed it, and noticed the driver, then they would have had a witness problem. And if Michelle happened to be in the Hummer, incapacitated in some way....well that's a whole other problem as far as witnesses seeing it on route.

And there is no way IMO someone stood out in the parking lot of that condominium complex and removed those decals in plain view of any residents arriving home. Early reports indicated that a witness out walking her dog saw the vehicle there as early as 10:30pm that evening. Chances are that it may have been dumped there earlier than 8pm. So unless the Hummer was taken to a secluded place first to dispose of something or someone, then the decals were likely not removed at it's final destination.

But I do agree it's possible that they were removed at a different secluded location other than at the condo.

MOO

 

[Thor]

Removing them at the condo would prevent the obvious. The Hummer was about to travel in the exact opposite direction than Michelle was supposed to be going. If anyone had noticed it, and noticed the driver, then they would have had a witness problem. And if Michelle happened to be in the Hummer, incapacitated in some way....well that's a whole other problem as far as witnesses seeing it on route.

And there is no way IMO someone stood out in the parking lot of that condominium complex and removed those decals in plain view of any residents arriving home. Early reports indicated that a witness out walking her dog saw the vehicle there as early as 10:30pm that evening. Chances are that it may have been dumped there earlier than 8pm. So unless the Hummer was taken to a secluded place first to dispose of something or someone, then the decals were likely not removed at it's final destination.

But I do agree it's possible that they were removed at a different secluded location other than at the condo.

MOO

I am not sure I follow here, but yes the decals could have been removed at any time, mine was just one theory among many. I'm simply trying to think as the perp might have at the exact point where his identity would be immaterial to a proposed theory.

 

[missingm]

I don't believe Michelle's Hummer left 10 minutes after she arrived. That is what Dale wants us to believe...I believe he lied to LE about when she came and arrived...and that is why he is STILL the ONLY suspect.

I think that that is what I am saying, although perhaps I inverted it. If the Hummer left more than say 30 minutes after it arrived, then they would have enough to blow up his alibi and arrest him.

Of course that is why I don't believe there is such a video.

 

[Thor]

So you are saying Dale could possibly have abducted other women before?

You know that is not what I meant But good try nevertheless.

 

[Jazzmaster]

You know that is not what I meant But good try nevertheless.

So how did Dale get Michelle away from the condo without leaving any evidence? Did he take her somewhere alive? If so where?

 

[katydid23]

So how did Dale get Michelle away from the condo without leaving any evidence? Did he take her somewhere alive? If so where?

This would be a very cold hearted scenario, but it is possible that he first bound and gagged her, putting her under his truck cover in the back. And gone to drop off the kids.

Then he could have driven to his work site, and found a large container or crate.[ My great uncle was a cabinet maker, and his workshop was full of large crates and containers and he also had barrels around at times. I think they had solvents and stains in them at one time. ]

Anyway, I think he could have found a container large enough to dispose of her in. And then taken her somewhere that night, or hidden her away until the next morning, when he had all day to drive.

 

[missingm]

So how did Dale get Michelle away from the condo without leaving any evidence? Did he take her somewhere alive? If so where?

Honestly, taking her alive would be the MO of a car jacking / stranger abduction. I cannot imagine why Dale would want to take her alive. And given the time parameters and how difficult it is to come up with a Dale solo act as it is, to throw in a live victim (which the parents and close friends would never go for even if they were in on it, IMO) just throws it over the top.

I think that if you want to figure out how Dale did it and therefore find Michelle, you could probably safely eliminate the taken alive theory for now. IMO, Dale would have to have executed a kidnapping or forced restraint type of crime in the past for him to be skilled enough.

Given that, I am willing to throw out a Dale solo theory (or at least part of one) since I don't believe that the other theory can survive the holes: If it was pre-meditated, could Dale have left one of his vehicles at the apartment complex that morning or the night before to give him a quick ride home after dropping off the Hummer? To prove or disprove this point, we would be looking to see if both of his vehicles were seen between 2pm and 6 pm at his apartment complex, perhaps on the neighbor's video...

 

[GrammaMaybe]

So how did Dale get Michelle away from the condo without leaving any evidence? Did he take her somewhere alive? If so where?

Could he have convinced her to follow him somewhere? Could he have come up with a story so that she went with him and the kids in the truck? Could he have surreptitiously done something to the Hummer so that she thought she had to go somewhere with him?

My intuition is telling me that it seems more Dale-like to subdue, secure & transport. He must have realized that he was losing the ability to manipulate Michelle. He couldn't afford to make mistakes and anything cerebral would likely further shame and embarrass him.

BTW, IMHO, Dale was thrilled to be taking those decals off of HIS vehicle, but it wasn't the main reason. He needed to camouflage her vehicle so it wouldn't be identified. Remember when TP said, "without those stickers, just another Hummer?"

Sent a DM w/ location.

 

[Thor]

So how did Dale get Michelle away from the condo without leaving any evidence? Did he take her somewhere alive? If so where?

I don't know what Dale did or did not do, honestly, but there are a few things I believe are more likely here while others are quite unlikely at least until and if we become aware of more actual facts.

Of course these are strictly my opinions, no actually strike that ... my guesses:

1. Unlikely the MP was abducted/killed at Dale's condo. (Actually I think the possibility here are close to 0)

2. Likely that she was abducted/killed at point A then taken/transported to point B, where B is at least quite a few miles away from point C (where the H3 was found) That seem to stand logical scrutiny given the amount of time between the last known time MP is known to have been alive and well and the time of the discovery of her abandoned vehicle.

3. The perp (if only one) is familiar with the area, he is composed and methodical, if the fact that the police have not discovered the body is any indication of it.

4. If this is premeditated then Dale has nothing to do with it, otherwise he's very much suspect number 1, since he has motive and arguably opportunity.

From here one can extrapolate whatever theory to fill any blanks.

Again JMO

 

[Jazzmaster]

Honestly, taking her alive would be the MO of a car jacking / stranger abduction. I cannot imagine why Dale would want to take her alive. And given the time parameters and how difficult it is to come up with a Dale solo act as it is, to throw in a live victim (which the parents and close friends would never go for even if they were in on it, IMO) just throws it over the top.

I think that if you want to figure out how Dale did it and therefore find Michelle, you could probably safely eliminate the taken alive theory for now. IMO, Dale would have to have executed a kidnapping or forced restraint type of crime in the past for him to be skilled enough.

Given that, I am willing to throw out a Dale solo theory (or at least part of one) since I don't believe that the other theory can survive the holes: If it was pre-meditated, could Dale have left one of his vehicles at the apartment complex that morning or the night before to give him a quick ride home after dropping off the Hummer? To prove or disprove this point, we would be looking to see if both of his vehicles were seen between 2pm and 6 pm at his apartment complex, perhaps on the neighbor's video...

So then if she is killed at the condo....How does he avoid leaving any DNA evidence WITHOUT premeditation? If planned he has an advantage of preparation and steps to follow through...if it was heat of the moment those are some pretty good coverup skills.

 

[missingm]

So then if she is killed at the condo....How does he avoid leaving any DNA evidence WITHOUT premeditation? If planned he has an advantage of preparation and steps to follow through...if it was heat of the moment those are some pretty good coverup skills.

I haven't seen the timeline without premeditation and / or an accomplice that can get it done (by Dale).

 

[Jazzmaster]

2. Likely that she was abducted/killed at point A then taken/transported to point B, where B is at least quite a few miles away from point C (where the H3 was found) That seem to stand logical scrutiny given the amount of time between the last known time MP is known to have been alive and well and the time of the discovery of her abandoned vehicle.

Ok why would Dale transport her to point A to kill? Why wouldn't he go directly to point b where she will be hidden? That seems to many places unless point A is secluded but still why not hide her there if it is? I'm not following the logic in all the moving parts...seems to be too many.

 

[katydid23]

Honestly, taking her alive would be the MO of a car jacking / stranger abduction. I cannot imagine why Dale would want to take her alive. And given the time parameters and how difficult it is to come up with a Dale solo act as it is, to throw in a live victim (which the parents and close friends would never go for even if they were in on it, IMO) just throws it over the top.

I think that if you want to figure out how Dale did it and therefore find Michelle, you could probably safely eliminate the taken alive theory for now. IMO, Dale would have to have executed a kidnapping or forced restraint type of crime in the past for him to be skilled enough.

Given that, I am willing to throw out a Dale solo theory (or at least part of one) since I don't believe that the other theory can survive the holes: If it was pre-meditated, could Dale have left one of his vehicles at the apartment complex that morning or the night before to give him a quick ride home after dropping off the Hummer? To prove or disprove this point, we would be looking to see if both of his vehicles were seen between 2pm and 6 pm at his apartment complex, perhaps on the neighbor's video...

I have a reason why he would want to take her away from the condo alive---DNA, and cadaver dogs.

I think he KNEW that LE would be at his door with the dogs as soon as she went missing. If he had killed her there he would have been arrested already.
But if he only tied her up, and took care of the situation somewhere else, he would be home free. If they cannot find the crime scene, then they cannot pin anything on him.

He was involved with that murder/manslaughter when he was in his 20's/ this stuff is not entirely new to him. JMO

 

[Thor]

I haven't seen the timeline without premeditation and / or an accomplice that can get it done (by Dale).

I second that motion.

 

[katydid23]

So how did Dale get Michelle away from the condo without leaving any evidence? Did he take her somewhere alive? If so where?

I think he made up an excuse to get her inside the garage or the condo. The kids may have been asleep in the car, since they just got out from daycare. So she may have helped carry them up.

OR, he said he had 'something to show her', maybe the kids new bunkbeds or something kid related, to put her at ease. It would have been very easy to turn on cartoons for the kids and give them a snack and keep them distracted for a bit. And he tells her he wants to show her something in the garage.

Once he gets her alone, he could easily throw a plastic zip tie around her neck and choke her out, to subdue her, not to killl her yet. Then he ties her and duct tapes her, and puts her under the truck cover in his truck bed.

No muss/ No fuss.

 

[Jazzmaster]

I second that motion.

So Dale acted with premeditation and had an accomplice...on that we agree!