FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #21

[Thor]

Ok why would Dale transport her to point A to kill? Why wouldn't he go directly to point b where she will be hidden? That seems to many places unless point A is secluded but still why not hide her there if it is? I'm not following the logic in all the moving parts...seems to be too many.

I am not sure I follow, point A is the location of the abduction, point B is where the body is concealed, point C is where the car is abandoned. That is in my view the logical progression of a crime as well executed as this seems to be. Here it is crucial that Point B and C must be quite a ways apart, the perp must consider the likely radius of the police search where the H3 is the dot in the map, then place the body outside of it, then add a few miles for good measure. It must be a place where the h3 can travel on hard ground, such as asphalt or dense hearth, anything less then that might leave evidence of particular locations, such as vegetation, gravel, dust and animal remains stuck underneath the car and on the tires. It also must be adjacent to a large forestal area that is relatively secluded as well as easily approachable . As one theory might have it.

 

[Jazzmaster]

I think he made up an excuse to get her inside the garage or the condo. The kids may have been asleep in the car, since they just got out from daycare. So she may have helped carry them up.

OR, he said he had 'something to show her', maybe the kids new bunkbeds or something kid related, to put her at ease. It would have been very easy to turn on cartoons for the kids and give them a snack and keep them distracted for a bit. And he tells her he wants to show her something in the garage.

Once he gets her alone, he could easily throw a plastic zip tie around her neck and choke her out, to subdue her, not to killl her yet. Then he ties her and duct tapes her, and puts her under the truck cover in his truck bed.

No muss/ No fuss.

Yes the element of surprise is a must and IMO Dale likes to take cheap shots. If you have ever read Dale's LONG rap sheet, one of his charges was sneaking up behind a man and hitting him over the head with a chair. From all that I have read about Dale...he is a CHEATER in every sense of the word...so I would expect that Michelle was blindsided in whatever way Dale attacked her.

 

[Jazzmaster]

I am not sure I follow, point A is the location of the abduction, point B is where the body is concealed, point C is where the car is abandoned. That is in my view the logical progression of a crime as well executed as this seems to be. Here it is crucial that Point B and C must be quite a ways apart, the perp must consider the likely radius of the police search where the H3 is the dot in the map, then place the body outside of it, then add a few miles for good measure. It must be a place where the h3 can travel on hard ground, such as asphalt or dense hearth, anything less then that might leave evidence of particular locations, such as vegetation, gravel, dust and animal remains stuck underneath the car and on the tires. It also must be adjacent to a large forestal area that is relatively secluded, easily approachable as well as secluded. As one theory might have it.

Oh I get it:
Point a = Carter Glen
Point b = ?
point c = Walden

How many miles from Walden would you think is SAFE enough? Or would he go the opposite direction of Carter Glen? Either way what would be a SAFE distance?

 

[Thor]

Oh I get it:
Point a = Carter Glen
Point b = ?
point c = Walden

How many miles from Walden would you think is SAFE enough? Or would he go the opposite direction of Carter Glen? Either way what would be a SAFE distance?

I try to limit myself to speculate about where Michelle might be, if you then add to it the complications of convicting Dale in all possible scenarios then it becomes all but impossible to figure it out given the obvious lack of evidence and the many contradictions that such an undertaking implies. At least I am not capable of it although others might very well be.

 

[Jazzmaster]

I try to limit myself to speculate about where Michelle might be, if you then add to it the complications of convicting Dale in all possible scenario then it becomes all but impossible to figure it out given the obvious lack of evidence and the many contradictions that such an undertaking implies. At least I am not capable of it although others might very well be.

My scenario did not mention Dale...it was simply the last known location of Michelle (Carter Glen) and where her vehicle was found (Walden) but glad to see you realize all roads lead back to Dale

My question was regarding a safe distance for the perp. What distance would be safe from say Walden?

 

[Thor]

My scenario did not mention Dale...it was simply the last known location of Michelle (Carter Glen) and where her vehicle was found (Walden) but glad to see you realize all roads lead back to Dale

My question was regarding a safe distance for the perp. What distance would be safe from say Walden?

From where the h3 was found it could be anywhere from a few miles to many miles in any directions, with many being preferable to few. That exact distance would depend of the perp's knowledge of the area, time constrains, suitable locations etc ..., again another example of a cost-benefit analysis this perp is able to resolve in his favor. IMO

 

[Jazzmaster]

From where the h3 was found it could be anywhere from a few miles to many miles in any directions. That exact distance would depend of the perp's knowledge of the area, time constrains, suitable locations etc ..., again another example of a cost-benefit analysis this perp is able to resolve in his favor. IMO

So what are some areas around Walden that may be of interest...that are far enough outside of the area of detection but still drivable and accessible?

 

[Thor]

So what are some areas around Walden that may be of interest...that are far enough outside of the area of detection but still drivable and accessible?

You really need to be knowledgeable of the area in ways a map alone could never indicate. I personally would draw a number of lines away from Walden, say within a 10 miles radius and I would look specifically for an asphalt road or hard earth road that borders to some kind of a wooded area. Then again, the perp might have also used a van or a similar vehicle in disposing of the body so that the previous restriction would not apply especially if the perp is not Dale.

 

[Jazzmaster]

You really need to be knowledgeable of the area in ways a map alone could never indicate. I personally would draw a number of lines away from Walden, say within a 10 miles radius and I would look specifically for an asphalt road or hard earth road that borders to some kind of a wooded area. Then again, the perp might have also used a van or a similar vehicle in disposing of the body so that the previous restriction would not apply especially if the perp is not Dale.

Would the perp leave her in a wooded area or bury her? Or somewhere else?

 

[Thor]

Would the perp leave her in a wooded area or bury her? Or somewhere else?

Take your pick Jazz, with burring her being the most preferable and just leaving her lying there the least. With the two depending on the availability of a tool such as a shovel as well as enough time, which I think he probably had enough of ... time that is.

 

[Thor]

My God, we are apparently the last 2 left standing tonight and I so lost track of time. So good night Jazz, be well.

 

[Jazzmaster]

Any more ideas where Michelle might be? If you were
Dale, where would you hide her? What do you think of McCoy AFB?

 

[missingm]

Any more ideas where Michelle might be? If you were
Dale, where would you hide her? What do you think of McCoy AFB?

Do you mean Orlando International?

 

[Jazzmaster]

Do you mean Orlando International?

It is by the airport but it has abandoned buildings and an OLD railroad. Have driven in there a few times and there are plenty of places to hide evidence...particularly of interest are the abandoned rails:

http://www.abandonedrails.com/Taft_to_McCoy_Air_Force_Base

 

[missingm]

It is by the airport but it has abandoned buildings and an OLD railroad. Have driven in there a few times and there are plenty of places to hide evidence...particularly of interest are the abandoned rails:

http://www.abandonedrails.com/Taft_to_McCoy_Air_Force_Base

I would say no. I couldn't see him holding her body or going very far. On the online maps it shows the area just north of his condo complex as undeveloped, either a new complex in building or just an undeveloped area with dirt trails. It it still that way or was it last November.

Besides that area, I would have looked through dumpsters and the garbage dumps from the area.

If it isn't Dale, I would be looking for a secluded but public park area in the direction the cell phone was recovered.

 

[Jazzmaster]

I would say no. I couldn't see him holding her body or going very far. On the online maps it shows the area just north of his condo complex as undeveloped, either a new complex in building or just an undeveloped area with dirt trails. It it still that way or was it last November.

Besides that area, I would have looked through dumpsters and the garbage dumps from the area.

If it isn't Dale, I would be looking for a secluded but public park area in the direction the cell phone was recovered.

Well if Dale had 3.5 hours to hide Michelle I would guess he would go back through his mind to figure out places he has been that couldn't be traced back to him. I have done some research on his 501st activities, spoken to a few who know Dale as well as looked through his social media photos to get some areas of high interest. The AFB is still in the running. I am still in the process of identifying some work locations and places he frequented prior to Michelle going missing. Photos tell a thousand stories! I do not think it was a random place but rather an area he knew very well and I will zero in from there. May have to take some "field trips" with the knitting group. JMO

 

[Reality Orlando]

Well if Dale had 3.5 hours to hide Michelle I would guess he would go back through his mind to figure out places he has been that couldn't be traced back to him. I have done some research on his 501st activities, spoken to a few who know Dale as well as looked through his social media photos to get some areas of high interest. The AFB is still in the running. I am still in the process of identifying some work locations and places he frequented prior to Michelle going missing. Photos tell a thousand stories! I do not think it was a random place but rather an area he knew very well and I will zero in from there. May have to take some "field trips" with the knitting group. JMO

If someone was into fishing, they could know of a LOT of places off 95 near Oak Hill for instance. That area would be within the 3.5 round trip time frame and there are lots and lots of open lands, back roads, fishing areas. But, there's land along that stretch that I bet no one's set foot on in years.

 

[Reality Orlando]

Another area would be along 520 which runs between 528 and 1 if I remember correctly. But, a car or truck pulling off the road there would probably draw notice, whereas along the areas where people fish all the time, no one would notice a truck pulling off the road and into the woods as that would be a common sight. Just a thought.

 

[Spice]

She could be anywhere. Wherever she is....Dale drove her there after peeling the Glow stickers off of her car.

 

[GrammaMaybe]

vegetation, gravel, dust and animal remains stuck underneath the car and on the tires. It also must be adjacent to a large forestal area that is relatively secluded as well as easily approachable.

AA

Had to snip--don't know how to select on the iPad yet. Sorry.

I don't think Dale would care about evidence on the Hummer; he's going to abandon the Hummer and pretend he was never near it. Since Dale senior studied Powell case, I'm sure they how to use gloves, buy shoes too big, etc. and then pitch it.

A stranger who would abduct Michelle wouldn't care about soil in the tires, just as long as the soil wasn't on him.


Does anyone know where the Powell forum starts. I'd like to find out what the Smiths learned. TIA