Were there actually found fibers from John's underwear in JonBenet's room?
I never heard of that but would love to read the source.
Were there actually found fibers from John's underwear in JonBenet's room?
The forensic evidence (Patsy 's jacket fibers in the wrappings of the garrote, on the duct tape and in the paint tray, the ransom note in her handwriting, clumsily tied knots) implicates her as the main stager of the scene, and imo it is logical to assume that she was involved in the killing of her daughter.
I find a scenario highly unlikely in which John not only would confess to Patsy of having killed JB, but also, on top of that, then ask his wife to stage the scene.
Absolutely agree that she was involved, but did she deliver the final blow?imo it is logical to assume that she was involved in the killing of her daughter.
What you say sounds reasonable except you seem to agree Patsy enacted some staging, so why does John collude, why does he involve himself in what is now patently a case of cold blooded murder. e.g. if its improbable for Patsy to become engaged in John's staging after he has killed JonBenet, then explain cogently why John should become involved in Patsy's staging after she has killed JonBenet?I find a scenario highly unlikely in which John not only would confess to Patsy of having killed JB, but also, on top of that, then ask his wife to stage the scene.
Yes. Forensic evidence supports Patsy applying the fake garrote to JonBenet's neck while JonBenet was still living but unconscious. From that, the inference can be made (supported by that act and the circumstances) that Patsy caused JonBenet's head injury. By application of the fake garrote, Patsy is responsible for JonBenet's murder. By causing JonBenet's head injury, Patsy is responsible for child abuse resulting in death.Also if you hold Patsy responsible due to the application of the fake garrote, then in addition to the denial of medical assistance it looks like to me that JonBenet was intended to die?
Yes. Forensic evidence supports Patsy applying the fake garrote to JonBenet's neck while JonBenet was still living but unconscious. From that, the inference can be made (supported by that act and the circumstances) that Patsy caused JonBenet's head injury. By application of the fake garrote, Patsy is responsible for JonBenet's murder. By causing JonBenet's head injury, Patsy is responsible for child abuse resulting in death.
Who knows what power and secrets Patsy held over John? Just speculating here, but maybe in his mind John blamed JonBenet for setting Patsy off. It's as if they had some bizarre hatred of JonBenet (I guess they did to do what was done). They certainly distanced themselves from her and what happened to her.So why did John choose to become part of such a brutal and callous murder?
Who knows what power and secrets Patsy held over John? Just speculating here, but maybe in his mind John blamed JonBenet for setting Patsy off. It's as if they had some bizarre hatred of JonBenet (I guess they did to do what was done). They certainly distanced themselves from her and what happened to her.
Were there actually found fibers from John's underwear in JonBenet's room?
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Sure you can make that inference, but that is all it is, it may actually have been John who applied the lethal blow to JonBenet's skull, as she lay face down on her white blankets?
We do not know, but assuming that you are correct then we have one cruel and truly disturbed woman who strangles and bludgeons her own daughter to death, also sexually assaulting her.
So why did John choose to become part of such a brutal and callous murder?
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JR was a businessman and image to him was everything.How would it have looked for him to have a killer for a wife,in his position? I think it would have been pretty embarrassing to him,and that's putting it lightly.
I think MONEY and IMAGE,above all,was most important to him,and THAT is why he helped out...I think we all underestimate the power of that if we think it was all just b/c he felt sorry for Patsy...I don't think he did.He'd already lost one daughter,and I think he was seething at her at this point.Thus the reason neither comforted each other that morning,nor did JR comfort a crying Patsy later on at a restaurant when she fell apart.He ignored her.
John did leave the house...checked a garage door to see if it was unlocked. He told this to Detectives. He said he was gone a few seconds...
Agent Ron Walker entered the Ramsey home AFTER JonBenet had been found. He went directly to the wine cellar.
\Had there been time for Agt Walker to have heard that the body was found in the wine cellar?
Another good point from this page, JR might think, "Hey, if we stage this with a sexual component, people may think it was me."
And another, didn't we discuss that PW had a jacket PR admired so she bought one just like it? Those fibers could even be PW's, a defense attorney for PR might argue. Maybe even from a previous visit, no-telling how long ago.
See also a link I'll have to come back and edit in about the pubic hair, not matching anyone in the family, (after a bit about warrants) that someone named Mueller said was the one thing preventing solving the case. He said a defense attorney could do a lot with that hair. And that the white blanket could have been loaned to someone earlier. (Wasn't the piece of duct tape a previously-used one? Why? ) Needless to say, a defense attorney could easily argue that the family weren't, as they themselves claimed, the only ones in the house. That seems so obvious.
Wasn't the barbie nightgown stuck to the blanket, static cling, and if so, would the DNA have been destroyed by laundering? Evidently they didn't get any. Would it have been still sticking to the blanket at all after laundering or would it have disintegrated and/or gone into the lint trap? Of course, hair clings pretty well. Evidently they didn't always use a drier sheet.
Here's that link.
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/...ey/1005jon.htm
Yes. Forensic evidence supports Patsy applying the fake garrote to JonBenet's neck while JonBenet was still living but unconscious. From that, the inference can be made (supported by that act and the circumstances) that Patsy caused JonBenet's head injury. By application of the fake garrote, Patsy is responsible for JonBenet's murder. By causing JonBenet's head injury, Patsy is responsible for child abuse resulting in death.
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As I understand the pubic hair was not a pubic hair at all but a hair from Patsy's arm.
Also the link you provided says : The link is either outdated, inaccurate or may be in the process of being updated.
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When I see how Patsy grieved, the only conclusion I can draw is that she was the one who caused her separation from JonBenet.
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Another good point from this page, JR might think, "Hey, if we stage this with a sexual component, people may think it was me." ...
If an outsider had killed JonBenet, I think Patsy would have been Beth Twitty X 10. Elizabeth Smart's dad X 20. She would have had Chief Koby in a choke hold ten minutes after the police were called.
Error message came up when I tried to use the usual email copy/paste to get to your post. That was probably also an error message due to either the equipment or the population's pressures to cover up.
There wouldn't have to be a majority, for activists to have the louder voice than ordinary people. I wouldn't put much stock in these disclaimers. Nope, I didn't try going to the link again, just going by experience and your obvious need to say something's wrong with it.
Women don't have ape hair on their arms and do nothing about it, especially a former beauty queen. PR knew all about grooming.
Sorry but that's patently ridiculous! How could you fall for that?
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