France - Explosions and shooting in Paris, 13 November 2015 #1

[Bravo]

'Soft' target.

Agree. These smaller groups IMO go for impact. Impact of terror. They dont have or need planes anymore to hit towers and create terror. I think it's ISIS and it's how they operate. My heart goes out to all the Victims of this horror.

 

[EllieBee]

Ahhh,Schmae-
Get outta my head, lol.

This attack on France is horrific. It falls on the heels of others. There begins the seeds of a culture of fear.

Generations of people in Northern Ireland had no idea what it was to live without daily violence and fear. I pray that France is not headed that way.

I agree with all of your post . But for those who are stuck on the numbers, the population of France is roughly 1/5 to 1/6 that of the USA . So when you crunch the numbers, for the numbers buffs, they are pretty close to the same, per population. Plus, this is not France's FIRST attack. Anyone who is afraid to go to work, school, theater, coffee shop, church, shopping tomorrow or next week is affected by this. It won't end next week either. The fear will last a very , very long time. Almost 200 families have to bury a child or parent this week ! And many more families are crying at hospitals tonight unsure if their child or parent will live. If your child goes to concerts, like mine does, it could have been them. Because France is a smaller country than the US should not mean this is not an equally grave and horrific and life altering event.

 

[margarita25]

"There is great alarm over the apparent methodology and likely planning that would have been needed to pull off such a series of attacks, one U.S. counterterrorism official told CNN. The attacks resembled tactics that have been used by a number of terror groups -- including al Qaeda's focus on mass casualties and visibility, and the small, tactical nature of attacks that are more the hallmark of ISIS and its acolytes. It is still not clear who is responsible."

Source: www.cnn.com

 

[Aeronomy]

why did they choose that retaurant ? I get the bigger ones , the cambodein one is wiered its really small. <modsnip>

Idk, but perhaps that restaurant was chosen at random. I don't have a link, but I recall reading in one of the many articles that the terrorists shot through the windows of the restaurant on their way to the Bataclan theatre.

 

[LaLaw2000]

If your post was removed, and you don't why, consider the post you quoted. That might well be the cause.

Also, if you see a message when you post that says your post is moderated, that's an indication you were quoting a post at the same time a mod was deleting it.

Thanks so much for the explanation, Bessie! I appreciate it!

 

[Mindmatters]

It is with a great sorrow and a heavy heart that I send out prayers to the people of France. My thoughts and condolences are with the men, women and children of France tonight as they mourn the loss of their countrymen to terrorism.

To all of our fellow liberty loving Parisians/Frenchmen--I, and many Texas friends, stand with you in understanding and support as your President, with great courage and resolve, refuses to lay down and let terrorists indiscriminately massacre hundreds of their people.

Godspeed in your mission President Hollande and the French Armed Services.

 

[Bravo]

Off I go it's been a long day and to see/read of this my heart goes out to France. Those who lost their lives and those who witnessed. I'll check in in the a.m. Stay safe everyone. Sigh.......

 

[wendiesan]

it's certainly an interesting time to be alive, eh?

Isn't that the Chinese curse? May you live in interesting times.
We seem to be.

 

[wendiesan]

Has anyone heard from Waddles?

 

[FindHG]

I hazard a guess without knowing much at all that would support it, that the group of terrorist who did this were somehow connected to some sense of loyalty to that repugnant and inhumanly cruel Jihadi John, recently killed. IIRC, JJ was trained by Al Shabab or something like that, with connections to ISIS and AQ, in Somalia, basically the French speaking African theater of their tentacles. As they seem to me to have the same intent, the same cash flow, cross pollination of expertise, ideology, ISIS being the tip of the spear, the more plausibly deniable perhaps, and less controlled. It may be why it has been so hard to confront, either what we don't know, understand or both.

I have no doubt that everything that's great about France will make it through, ultimately. The West however seems caught in the middle of wars within wars with people who don't know how to make peace with each other or fight each other without dragging others into it their wars, ruthless, calculating and forever cowardly in their choice of victims.

 

[Summerfun]

Please let it stop. The world has become crazy.

 

[kalekona]

I hazard a guess without knowing much at all that would support it, that the group of terrorist who did this were somehow connected to some sense of loyalty to that repugnant and inhumanly cruel Jihadi John, recently killed. IIRC, JJ was trained by Al Shabab or something like that, with connections to ISIS and AQ, in Somalia, basically the French speaking African theater of their tentacles. As they seem to me to have the same intent, the same cash flow, cross pollination of expertise, ideology, ISIS being the tip of the spear, the more plausibly deniable perhaps, and less controlled. It may be why it's been so hard to confront, either what we don't know, understand or it is eye wash or all three.

I have no doubt that everything that's great about France will make it through, ultimately. The West however seems caught in the middle of wars within wars with people who don't know how to make peace with each other or fight each other without dragging others into it their wars, ruthless, calculating and forever cowardly in their choice of victims.

This was to well organized to have been planned over night so I don't think it is connected with Jahdi John's death.

 

[Montjoy]

This was to well organized to have been planned over night so I don't think it is connected with Jahdi John's death.

Agree, completely. This would have taken several months to a year to coordinate and prepare.

 

[FindHG]

This was to well organized to have been planned over night so I don't think it is connected with Jahdi John's death.

A German French soccer game was targeted with the heads of states present. They attacked a concert of an American rock band. They targeted a restaurant called La Belle Equip/ The Beautiful Team, Rue Charonne. They targeted a restaurant called Le Petit Cambodge (kind of France's Vietnam), Rue Alibert. Both in a focused way. On a warm crowded night in a busy part of town, these were soft targets, for the most part, while the stadium was not.

The G20 Summit focused on the regions conflict scheduled to meet in Turkey had been planned ahead of time, too. The Iranians were scheduled to arrive in Paris for meetings this week, now cancelled. It is a Sunni Shia conflict at its core.

It had to be planned, I agree completely. Whatever made them launch the attack, that these terrorist had some training, hardening, desensitization to killing, coordination, those all are givens, but where, if they're not lone wolves?

Why now? Why Paris? It may be an operational blind on some level if it wasn't noticed, twice now in Paris. It may possible that Paris is best accessible and placed for them. What would make it so? The strength of a network that functions under the radar well enough to do this, it may be possible, that may be outside the area of obvious focus, in terms of how the network operates.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/11/13/world/europe/ap-eu-france-paris-shootings-the-latest.html



BTW

Border controls are being reinforced, not shut down.

http://www.france24.com/en/

 

[ms_x_to_the_m]

Not that it matters in terms of the horror those involved experienced, but France has roughly 1/5 of the population of the US. So for those scoffing at the death toll, 153 lives lost is significant in proportion to the population.

But the fact that such death even needed to be qualified is astounding. Who actually gets to decide which mass terrorist killings "matter more?"

SMDH.

Agree. Terror is terror is terror. Regardless how it's dressed.
A dead person is dead. Regardless of how it happened. Go tell a heartbroken mother, father, sibling, spouse, friend that this should impact them less because the numbers are not that high.
Who cares about the numbers. Human beings are dead.

 

[JudgeJudi]

To those of you who are just waking up, this is the gruesome news of the multiple terrorist attacks in Paris overnight.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...gles-Death-Metal-concert-hostages-killed.html

 

[tangelo]

Isn't that the Chinese curse? May you live in interesting times.
We seem to be.

hasnt been this interesting since the late30's
buckle up, history's repeating

 

[FindHG]

Atleast 100 people killed. At least 8 terrorist killed

200 hundred injured, 80 of whom are in critical condition

http://www.france24.com/en/

 

[Lilibet]

Where is Zwiebel he lives in Paris?

Zwie lives in Germany. Travel is always a possibility though. I'm sure she has received lots of pm's. Thanks for thinking of her.

 

[wendiesan]

hasnt been this interesting since the late30's
buckle up, history's repeating

Right down to the rise of the National Socialist clone parties.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/sep/24/sweden-immigration-far-right-asylum