France - Explosions and shooting in Paris, 13 November 2015 #2

[Foxfire]

Because if they were already sure the refugees coming over were perfectly safe, why would they be stopping them now? Or are politicians just reacting to public sentiment with little regard to the reality of the situation in a grab for vote?

OK I think I just answered my own question, there is nothing wrong with the refugees heading over, and our politicians and punishing innocent folk for polularist reasons.

No, Mrs G Norris, 'for common sense Public Safety reasons'.. There is no way to vet them..

 

[EllieBee]

Same goes for extremists of any kind. Timothy McVey looked like any other doofus. And Eric Robert Rudolph. Or mass killers. Or pedophiles. Or serial killers.

How can we separate any of them from the rest of the population just by appearance?

Wearing a hijab does not make someone any more worthy of suspicion than a person in a camo jacket or a business suit.

In my opinion.

I already have plenty of Muslims living in my area - even had one working with machinery in a burka for GS. Had one knock on my door and when I looked out the peep hole what did I see? A pair of eyes looking out of a mask. This is a bad joke says I. It took me a while to figure out it was another one of our citizens wearing the outer garment. Then there was the one working in the library. I could go on.

No one is stupid or uneducated. It simply is very hard to tell a radicalized one from a sane one, thank you very much.

 

[Elley Mae]

France Will 'Intensify' IS Bombing In Syria

http://news.sky.com/story/1588643/france-will-intensify-is-bombing-in-syria

 

[EllieBee]

bbm

Freedom of religion in the United States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_the_United_States

http://www.allabouthistory.org/pilgrims.htm

The Pilgrims were English Separatists who founded Plymouth Colony in 1620. The Pilgrims, fleeing religious persecution, broke away from the Church of England because they felt the Church violated biblical principles of true Christians.

 

[bluesneakers]

Apologies, but I couldn't find the part that says I should try to fit into my surroundings by dress, location, and low-key actions. Sometimes you have to bend rules and ideology.

In fact it says

I thought that the freedom from religious persecution was one of the US founding principles?

Yeah, I think "freedom OF religion" is the same as "freedom from religious persecution" even if the words are a little different.

 

[EllieBee]

http://www.huguenotsociety.org/heritage/history/

bbm

Freedom of religion in the United States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_the_United_States

 

[Zuri]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/13/w...xplosions-southern-beirut-hezbollah.html?_r=0


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/world/middleeast/beirut-lebanon-attacks-paris.html

http://mic.com/articles/128551/terr...anon-kills-43-and-injures-hundreds#.fN7M7i5SO

I did not know that an ISIS suicide bomber struck in Lebanon on Thursday and killed 43 people. So terrorists struck Thursday and Friday. They must be stopped...

 

[bessie]

Once the United Nations and U.S. embassies refer refugee cases for resettlement consideration, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) officers at DHS conduct individual interviews and clearances, and final determinations for admission.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/orr/resource/the-us-refugee-resettlement-program-an-overview

Refugees seeking resettlement in the United States must go through an extensive screening process to ensure they do not pose a security threat to the country, according to the U.S. Department of State.

Before resettlement, the State Department compiles the refugee's personal and background information and submits it to the Department of Homeland Security. A Homeland Security officer then conducts an in-depth, in-person interview with the refugee outside the United States to determine whether they meet the necessary criteria.

Refugees must also undergo a medical screening before their applications for resettlement can be approved.

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/11/gov_jindal_demands_more_inform.html

 

[Elley Mae]

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But there remain a number of open questions. The true identity of the man who traveled into Greece as a refugee with the falsified passport isn't yet known.

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But there are other questions as well. Why, for example, was the attacker carrying a passport at all?

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The passport also raises questions when it comes to the coordination of the terror attacks as well. Most of the attackers were French, that much has become clear. As such, it wasn't a fake refugee who brought terror to Europe.

more at link...
http://www.spiegel.de/international...s-on-dangers-posed-by-refugees-a-1063026.html

 

[Only4Justice]

Worth reposting. God Bless all those left behind.

List to be updated as names are added.

Here are the victims’ names that have been made public so far:

Nohemi Gonzalez, 23: A junior design student at Long Beach State University from El Monte, California, Gonzalez was studying abroad at Strate School of Design in Sevres, France. She was killed in a shooting outside of a restaurant.

Valentin Ribet, 26: A lawyer who studied at the London School of Economics, Ribet died at the Bataclan concert hall, the school said.

Djamila Houd, 41: Houd one of the French victims killed in the attacks, according to The Guardian. She was killed at the Bataclan.

Thomas Ayad, 34: Ayad is another French victim identified so far, according to The Guardian. He was also killed at the Bataclan. He worked for Universal Music France and played for a local amateur hockey team.

Nick Alexander, 36: Alexander, of Colchester, Essex, England, was selling merchandise at the Eagles of Death Metal show at the Bataclan when he was killed, according to The Independent.

Lola Salines: Salines has been identified as one of the victims by her father, Georges Salines. She was killed at the Bataclan concert hall. She was a member of the La Boucherie de Paris roller derby team.

Juan Alberto González Garrido, 29: A Madrid native, he was killed at the Bataclan concert hall, according to Marca. He was at the Eagles of Death Metal show with his wife.

William B. Decherf, 43: Decherf was a French music journalist for the website InRocks, who was killed while at the Bataclan for the Eagles of Death Metal concert, according to The Hollywood Reporter.

Asta Diakite: Diakite was a cousin of French soccer player Lassana Diarra, who said on Twitter she was killed in the attacks. Diarra, who was playing with the French national team in Paris when the attacks occurred, said his cousin was like a sister to him.

Elodie Breuil, 23: Breuil’s brother, Alexis, told Time his sister was killed while watching the Eagles of Death Metal at the Bataclan. He said his sister was a design student.

Cedric Mauduit: Manduit was a local councilor in Calvados, France. He was at the Bataclan with friends when he was killed.

Mathieu Hoche: Hoche was a journalist for the France 24 news station, according to the BBC. A colleague tweeted that he is survived by a 6-year-old son.

Quentin Boulanger, 29: A Paris resident originally from Rheims, France, Boulanger was killed at the Bataclan theater, the BBC reports.

Mohamed Amine Benmbarek: A citizen of Morocco, Benmbarek was identified on Facebook by a relative. He was a newlywed, and his wife was also shot in the attacks. She is in critical condition, said Akram Benmbarek, Mohamed’s cousin.

Fabrice Dubois: The ad agency Publicis Conseil said one of its employees, Dubois, was killed at the Bataclan theater. He worked for the agency for 20 years and leaves behind a wife and children.

François-Xavier Prévost, 26: Prevost was killed at the Bataclan, La Voix Du Nord reports. He was at the concert hall with friends. He lived in Paris and was originally from Lambersart, France.

Milko Jozic, 47: Dogan was killed along with his girlfriend, Elif Dogan, according to LaMeuse.be. He lived with his girlfriend near the Bataclan. They had moved to Paris from their native country of Belgium in the past few months.

Elif Dogan: Dogan was living with her boyfriend, Milko Jozic, near the Bataclan. They had moved to Paris from Belgium recently, according to LaMeuse.be.

Elsa Delplace: Deplace and her mother, Patricia San Martin, of Chile, were killed at the Bataclan theater, her friend said on Twitter. Deplace and her mother were Chilean, but living in Paris. Her friend said Deplace had a 6-year-old daughter.

Patricia San Martin:San Martin was killed at the Bataclan theater along with her daughter, Elsa Delplace. She and her daughter were both natives of Chile living in Paris.

Luis Felipe Zschoche Valle:Valle was the third Chilean citizen killed in the attacks at the Bataclan, CNN reports. He was a musician living in Paris for the past eight years.

Mathias Dymarski: Dymarski, originally from Metz, France, had moved to Paris last Fall. He was killed at the Bataclan theater along with his girlfriend, Marie Lausch, Le Republican Lorrain reported.

Marie Lausch: Lausch moved to Paris from Metz, France, in September 2014 with her boyfriend, Mathias Dymarski. They were both killed at the Bataclan theater.

Aurélie de Peretti, 33: De Peretti was killed in the Bataclan theater, her sister told Time. She was from Saint Tropez, in the south of France, and loved music. She played the guitar and piano.

Halima Saadi, 34: Halima Saadi, and her sister, Houda, of Tunisia, were both killed at a restaurant where they were celebrating a friend’s birthday, News 24 reports. The sisters were living in France with their brother, who survived the attack.

Houda Saadi, 35: Houda Saadi was killed at a restaurant targeted by ISIS gunmen in Paris along with her sister Halima. The Tunisian women were living in France with their brother, who survived the attack. They were at the restaurant to celebrate a friend’s birthday.

Manuel Dias, 63: A Portuguese citizen, Dias moved to France 45 years ago, the Portuguese American Journal reports. He lived with his wife and children in France. His wife and children were in Portugal to obtain documents for his son’s upcoming wedding, the newspaper reported.

Marie Mosser, 24: An employee of Universal Music France, where she worked in communications and marketing, Mosser was killed at the Bataclan theater, CNN reports.

http://heavy.com/news/2015/11/paris...vember-11-13-2015-americans-countries-number/

 

[EllieBee]

Couldn't agree more. And it isn't just Jindal. I see a host of politicians for whom the Syrian refugees were little more than a "huh, what, oh, yeah...whatever" until Friday.

Now they are all speaking out against the influx and positioning themselves as the saviors of the citizens.

Just nauseating. Lights, camera, pretend to give a crap.

The resettlement program is operated by the Federal government. Gov. Jindal of Louisiana claims he was left in the dark.

"As with former immigration crises and federal relocation policy, Louisiana has been kept in the dark about those seeking refuge in the state," Jindal wrote. "It is irresponsible and severely disconcerting to place individuals, who may have ties to ISIS, in a state without the state's knowledge or involvement."

Considering the Paris attacks Friday, for which the Islamic State of Syria and Iraq have claimed credit, Jindal recommended that the Obama administration halt the process of Syrian refugees resettling in the United States. "Authorities need to investigate what happened in Europe before this problem comes to the United States," he wrote.

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/11/gov_jindal_demands_more_inform.html

Why didn't he make it his business to know? It wasn't exactly a secret, covert operation. JMO, but this is simply a big push to gain political leverage.

 

[bluesneakers]

Same goes for extremists of any kind. Timothy McVey looked like any other doofus. And Eric Robert Rudolph. Or mass killers. Or pedophiles. Or serial killers.

How can we separate any of them from the rest of the population just by appearance?

Wearing a hijab does not make someone any more worthy of suspicion than a person in a camo jacket or a business suit.

In my opinion.

Agree. I really, really don't get why it's a big deal, frankly. I mean, we read about SO many bad people on WS and most of them are not wearing Muslim garments.

 

[Trident]

Same goes for extremists of any kind. Timothy McVey looked like any other doofus. And Eric Robert Rudolph. Or mass killers. Or pedophiles. Or serial killers.

How can we separate any of them from the rest of the population just by appearance?

Wearing a hijab does not make someone any more worthy of suspicion than a person in a camo jacket or a business suit.

In my opinion.

Even if no one else agrees with me, I'm in good company.

HENDERSON, Nev. (AP) — Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson is calling on Congress to withdraw funding to resettle Syrian refugees in the United States, arguing in the wake of the Paris attacks that there is no credible way to tell the difference between an Islamic State militant and an innocent citizen fleeing war.

http://news.yahoo.com/carson-congress-stop-funding-refugee-resettlement-180936281--election.html#

 

[bluesneakers]

Once the United Nations and U.S. embassies refer refugee cases for resettlement consideration, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) officers at DHS conduct individual interviews and clearances, and final determinations for admission.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/orr/resource/the-us-refugee-resettlement-program-an-overview

Refugees seeking resettlement in the United States must go through an extensive screening process to ensure they do not pose a security threat to the country, according to the U.S. Department of State.

Before resettlement, the State Department compiles the refugee's personal and background information and submits it to the Department of Homeland Security. A Homeland Security officer then conducts an in-depth, in-person interview with the refugee outside the United States to determine whether they meet the necessary criteria.

Refugees must also undergo a medical screening before their applications for resettlement can be approved.

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/11/gov_jindal_demands_more_inform.html

Thank you.

I wonder what the screening entails and if they are required to get vaccines?

 

[EllieBee]

That is a quote from Ben Carson. Where is the good company? :lol:

Even if no one else agrees with me, I'm in good company.


http://news.yahoo.com/carson-congress-stop-funding-refugee-resettlement-180936281--election.html#

 

[Isabelle]

Yes-- including the first democratic governor in New Hampshire.

*ETA- more updates as other states declare opposition.

Michigan, Texas, Arkansas, Alabama, Illinois, Florida, Arizona, Wisconsin, Louisiana, Indiana, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Ohio, Mississippi, Connecticut, and New Hampshire, Iowa, Maine.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-11-16-11-14-43

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/11/15/gov-alabama-to-refuse-syrian-refugees.html

Oops-- my bad. Pennsylvania and Vermont are expressing support for taking refugees.

Once they are in any state in the US, there is nothing that can stop them from traveling to other states.

 

[Momoffourboys]

IMO If we had the capability to do security and background checks on the incoming refugees, this would be less of an issue. At least for me.

I am torn.

 

[bluesneakers]

Once they are in any state in the US, there is nothing that can stop them from traveling to other states.

And all the governors announcing "They can't come to our state!" know it.

 

[Nana]

Since our government says Isis has been contained, problem solved they can go or stay home.

 

[bluesneakers]

Since our government says Isis has been contained, problem solved they can go or stay home.

Go right back to where ISIS is, or stay in the west? I don't even know how refugees would get back, but I think they would choose to stay and live (at least for now) where they are.