France - Five shot, four dead in French Alps, may have int'l ramifications #1

[graceholl]

If reports are to be believed there should be a press conference at 1pm..

 

[Clio]

If reports are to be believed there should be a press conference at 1pm..

Is it 1pm? I thought I saw it was due at 5pm?

 

[graceholl]

Is it 1pm? I thought I saw it was due at 5pm?

Looks more likely as I can't see anything on Twitter. Saw 1pm floating around but guess we will have to stick it out until 5! Hope we get something a little more substantial than just details of legal bods being flown around for the investigation.

 

[Clio]

Looks more likely as I can't see anything on Twitter. Saw 1pm floating around but guess we will have to stick it out until 5! Hope we get something a little more substantial than just details of legal bods being flown around for the investigation.

Here you go

British police are working with French officers to try to unravel the mystery surrounding the four deaths. The public prosecutor at Annecy, Eric Maillaud, has announced a press conference for 5pm on Wednesday (4pm BST).

Afterwards, Maillaud and one of the investigating judges appointed to oversee the inquiry will travel to London to meet the four gendarmes working with British police to find clues.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/11/french-alps-shooting-cyclist-girl

Sadly I think he'll say very little. I wonder if he'll mention Martians again

 

[graceholl]

Here you go



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/11/french-alps-shooting-cyclist-girl

Sadly I think he'll say very little. I wonder if he'll mention Martians again

Thanks Clio. Suggestions somewhere (possibly that article from The Week that I linked above - being lazy & not checking) that we might get some more details from the additional forensic searches they did yesterday. But again not getting my hopes up for anything, have an inkling this is going to be a case that goes cold and gets hushed up pretty quickly.

 

[Zuckerschnecke]

They might not say much but the father left bread crumbs. We still don't know what the neighbor knows or what he was told before the family left. But think about it, why would the bomb squad go to the house? It's not that the police are dumb. They just aren't giving up the goods.

I read and re-read about the cyclist who found them. I do think there was something 'lost in translation' about him being the one who 'dialed 112' or who 'summoned for 112 to be called.' I wanted for a brief moment to think he might be at fault but the more I think about it and knowing how things are lost translating, I think he found them first and then ran for help. I can't judge because I haven't been there.

 

[Clio]

Thanks Clio. Suggestions somewhere (possibly that article from The Week that I linked above - being lazy & not checking) that we might get some more details from the additional forensic searches they did yesterday. But again not getting my hopes up for anything, have an inkling this is going to be a case that goes cold and gets hushed up pretty quickly.

BIB Yes I agree - it's all very fishy imho.

From ~ 2hrs ago

Mark Williams-Thomas‏@mwilliamsthomas
Press conference today at 4pm - not expecting a great deal of new information to be released #Chevaline

They were still searching the house this morning although it's dropped off the TV news.

From ~ 4hrs ago

Kevin Keane‏@kkabdn
Back outside al-Hilli home in Claygate, Surrey, where hammering noises can be heard coming from inside. About 8 more officers have arrived.

From ~ 2hrs ago

Kevin Keane‏@kkabdn
What looked like a selection of videos or DVDs removed from the al-Hilli house in Claygate in a clear plastic bag.

Kevin Keane‏@kkabdn
Searches continuing at the al-Hilli home in Claygate, Surrey, where items are being removed from a garage

Kevin Keane‏@kkabdn
Large items incl rolled up carpets, cupboards and paints being removed from al-Hilli garage and placed in back garden as search continues

 

[Clio]

They might not say much but the father left bread crumbs. We still don't know what the neighbor knows or what he was told before the family left. But think about it, why would the bomb squad go to the house? It's not that the police are dumb. They just aren't giving up the goods.

Of course LE know a lot more than they are saying and there's no reason why we should be told anything unless LE are asking for information from the public. That said, I do think that the search of the family home seemed a bit over the top right from the start. Forensic tent erected before they even went into the house for example. As for the bomb squad - why was the RLC there? That's the Army bomb squad. I thought police had their own bomb squads - the Met certainly do but I don't know if the Met covers Claygate - possibly not.

I read and re-read about the cyclist who found them. I do think there was something 'lost in translation' about him being the one who 'dialed 112' or who 'summoned for 112 to be called.' I wanted for a brief moment to think he might be at fault but the more I think about it and knowing how things are lost translating, I think he found them first and then ran for help. I can't judge because I haven't been there.

It sounded to me like there was no mobile signal at the lay-by because the hikers said they went back downhill to call the emergency services. So it could be true that the RAF guy found the bodies and couldn't call for help because of no signal. It's just a little odd that the prosecutor said the RAF guy called rather than saying the hikers called. Maybe the prosecutor was just trying to keep it simple and didn't want the press to hound the hikers. It's a lot easier to protect the anonymity of one person rather than four.

 

[Swamp Fox Trot]

Craig Murray's blog suggests there may be nuclear technology involved . . . also they might be thinking of that Russian dissident who was murdered with polonium? Hence the protective measures.

 

[rotterdam]

They might not say much but the father left bread crumbs. We still don't know what the neighbor knows or what he was told before the family left. But think about it, why would the bomb squad go to the house? It's not that the police are dumb. They just aren't giving up the goods.

I read and re-read about the cyclist who found them. I do think there was something 'lost in translation' about him being the one who 'dialed 112' or who 'summoned for 112 to be called.' I wanted for a brief moment to think he might be at fault but the more I think about it and knowing how things are lost translating, I think he found them first and then ran for help. I can't judge because I haven't been there.

I would think they are also protecting the witnesses plus other folks associated with the victims. And that is another reason for with holding information. Unless they have come up with a pretty solid motive, other folks might still be at risk.

 

[rotterdam]

Here you go



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/11/french-alps-shooting-cyclist-girl

Sadly I think he'll say very little. I wonder if he'll mention Martians again

Interesting that Phillippe D. now has his full name in the article as Philippe Didierjean, 41,

 

[~n/t~]

Craig Murray's blog suggests there may be nuclear technology involved . . . also they might be thinking of that Russian dissident who was murdered with polonium? Hence the protective measures.

Just to add to your "polonium" post

Was Arafat poisoned with polonium? France launches murder inquiry

http://www.albawaba.com/editorchoice/yasser-arafat-murder-poison-439909



It gets more and more mysterious and confusing.....

 

[Elley Mae]

Gun used on al-Hilli is Serbian Mafia's signature weapon

Read more: http://www.theweek.co.uk/crime/anne...serbian-mafias-signature-weapon#ixzz26FFEvpMM

ETA: A must read!!!

Thanks for the link.
Serious fire power, I wonder if there were more then 1 type of bullet casing found, and how many.

 

[graceholl]

Thanks for the link.
Serious fire power, I wonder if there were more then 1 type of bullet casing found, and how many.

Yes, and also interesting that they compare the Skorpion to grappling with a big electric hand-held drill: you have to be pretty methodical/skilled with it to carry out this kind of killing.

Also alludes to the fact that the gun was probably reloaded.

 

[graceholl]

http://benchmarkpublishinggroup.org...li-assassinated-over-secret-defence-contract/

Speaks more about brother as well

 

[graceholl]

Sounds as though press conference is starting

Per Nyberg ‏@per_nyberg
"We hope that those responsible for the deaths of our loved ones are brought swiftly to justice" - Al-Hilli and Al-Saffar joint statement


4m Per Nyberg ‏@per_nyberg
Al-Hilli and Al-Saffar families say they are "heartbroken by this shocking crime" following the shooting in Annecy, France - statement


Claire French ‏@clairee_french
Eric Maillaud says he will visit London with a judge tomorrow to smooth out language and legal difficulties between French and UK police

 

[graceholl]

Claire French ‏@clairee_french
The prosecutor says there are "countless" witness statements to go through. #Claygate

 

[Skigh]

Briefings by detectives suggest at least one of the victims could have had links to those working in international espionage or the criminal underworld.
Discussing the attack in general terms, another detective said: ‘Police quickly demonstrated that the victims did not correspond to the profiles of "normal tourists" and they were not assassinated in normal conditions.’



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-parents-horrifying-attack.html#ixzz26GmPp48G

 

[graceholl]

Briefings by detectives suggest at least one of the victims could have had links to those working in international espionage or the criminal underworld.
Discussing the attack in general terms, another detective said: ‘Police quickly demonstrated that the victims did not correspond to the profiles of "normal tourists" and they were not assassinated in normal conditions.’



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-parents-horrifying-attack.html#ixzz26GmPp48G

Wow. I hadn't really thought about just how awful the little girl's injuries might have been. I guess I hoped she'd been caught up in it, not deliberately attacked. Suggesting she may have lost her sight - poor, poor little girl.

 

[graceholl]

jamesfraney ‏@jamesfraney
#Annecy prosecutor say police investigating three leads regarding the murder of the al-Hilli family

104 & 104.6FM ‏@BBCSurrey
LATEST - al-Hilli murders. French police have sealed off the crime scene again to gather more evidence.

saskya vandoorne ‏@SaskyaCNN
#'Annecy prosecutor says 7 year old will be heard when doctors give green light.