GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former LEO and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 *Arrests* #4

[ilovewings]

There is no defense in shooting AA. Where this case takes a twisted turn is that the "posse" never thought for one second that AA would attempt to disarm them. I firmly believe they would not have shot him if he had stopped and waited for police. That being said once AA and Travis were in a struggle for the loaded gun, it became a fight to the death. These three men created a stage for disaster. Had AA successfully disarmed Travis, I wonder what might have happened. This case is tragic and also points to many things we need to change, in my opinion, as a society. It's not ok to enter obvious private property. It's not ok to yell "stop or I'll blow your head off". It's not ok to chase people in cars. It's not ok to get your neighbors all spun up about thefts at your home and then act like nothing was ever stolen. It's not ok for the media to edit and snip recorded footage. All just my opinion. These three will pay for what they did.

I sure hope they pay: I cannot imagine these three not being convicted.

 

[Mom24]

There is no defense in shooting AA. Where this case takes a twisted turn is that the "posse" never thought for one second that AA would attempt to disarm them. I firmly believe they would not have shot him if he had stopped and waited for police. That being said once AA and Travis were in a struggle for the loaded gun, it became a fight to the death. These three men created a stage for disaster. Had AA successfully disarmed Travis, I wonder what might have happened. This case is tragic and also points to many things we need to change, in my opinion, as a society. It's not ok to enter obvious private property. It's not ok to yell "stop or I'll blow your head off". It's not ok to chase people in cars. It's not ok to get your neighbors all spun up about thefts at your home and then act like nothing was ever stolen. It's not ok for the media to edit and snip recorded footage. All just my opinion. These three will pay for what they did.

Couldn't have said it better.

 

[Jax49]

I sure hope they pay: I cannot imagine these three not being convicted.

I can...

 

[ilovewings]

I can...

Oh please don't say that LOL- Although after Casey Anthony I guess I should know better

 

[Cool Cats]

Greg McMichael:

"He makes frequent trips to the neighborhood and gets caught on video cameras every third or fourth night breaking into places and no one's been able to catch him."

"He was worried that Arbery had stolen his son's handgun from his truck."

"He might of gone in somebody's house."

"To be perfectly honest with you, if I could have gotten a shot at the guy, I’d have shot him myself."

"Stop! I’ll blow your f*****g head off."

"This ain’t no shuffler. This guy’s an a**hole."

Greg had already made up his mind about Ahmaud Arbery.

This, despite admitting to Detective Marcy that Arbery was only *breaking into one house and that the house was under construction and had no windows or doors. And despite admitting to him that he had no proof Arbery had stolen his son Travis's gun.

Greg McMichael was a man with a mission and had planned all along to be the neighborhood "hero" and catch this black man he decided was a criminal - come hell or high water. Soon as he had the chance he was in his truck locked and loaded with 2 other people in hot pursuit. I believe he planned for this all along.

* Arbery was not "breaking" into places. In fact, in Georgia, it is not even trespassing without signs or without the owner telling you to stay off the property.

 

[Cryptic]

Long before the trial about Mr. Arbery’s death started, Mr. Gough raised eyebrows by appearing on CNN with his client, who had not yet been arrested, and intervening when the anchor, Chris Cuomo, tried to ask Mr. Bryan questions about the case.

“My client is a mechanic with a high school education, and if you’ve ever been to the high schools around here, that’s not necessarily saying much, OK?” Mr. Gough said.

Goughs approach is valid, but..... he lacks the skills and probably humility to present it effectively. The over all presentation seems to be:

Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, my client is a well meaning local of modest means who knows very little of the legal system and the world beyond Brunswick. So....

- Having never custom built a house, he believed "E's" tales of massive thefts taking place as people such people must be wealthy and tell the truth- right?

- My client honestly though that McMichael senior had been "brought out of retirement" and had lawful authority to deal with these horrendous thefts.

- When McMichael requested assistance in the chase, my client thought Mc Michael was acting as a police officer- so he made a quick decision to assist.

- My client was never party to a murder- at all. Rather, by acting in good faith, he was party only to an unlawful arrest attempt.

 

[Cryptic]

Greg McMichael was a man with a mission and had planned all along to be the neighborhood "hero" and catch this black man he decided was a criminal - come hell or high water. Soon as he had the chance he was in his truck locked and loaded with 2 other people in hot pursuit. I believe he planned for this all along.

Well said.

I think you are absolutely right- McMichael sr and under his direction, McMichael jr were on a "capture or kill" mission from moment one. Subjectively, several aspects seem to support your conclusion:

- The McMichaels armed themselves and initiated the chase very quickly- even by Georgia standards after learning of A's presence.

- They continued the chase even after it was clear that the A was fleeing. They were not content with simply frightening A off. I imgaine that even most people willing to initiate a chase would have been content with that.

- McMichael jr exits his truck not only with his shotgun fully at the ready- but then strongly appears to rapidly closes with A as he attempt to keep fleeing. Given the usual father / son dominance, I dont think most people would attempt to do so- unless they had been given directions in advance to continue the pre determined "mission".

 

[Cool Cats]

Well said.

I think you are absolutely right- McMichael sr and under his direction, McMichael jr were on a "capture or kill" mission from moment one. Subjectively, several aspects seem to support your conclusion:

- The McMichaels armed themselves and initiated the chase very quickly- even by Georgia standards after learning of A's presence.

- They continued the chase even after it was clear that the A was fleeing. They were not content with simply frightening A off. I imgaine that even most people willing to initiate a chase would have been content with that.

- McMichael jr exits his truck not only with his shotgun fully at the ready- but then strongly appears to rapidly closes with A as he attempt to keep fleeing. Given the usual father / son dominance, I dont think most people would attempt to do so- unless they had been given directions in advance to continue the pre determined "mission".

We can add Travis to the "wanting to be a neighborhood hero" category.

Travis McMichael:

"We've been having a lot of *burglaries and *break-ins around here lately, and I had a pistol stolen January 1 actually, and I've never seen this guy before in the neighborhood," Travis McMichael is heard saying on the call. He goes on to say that when he spotted the person, the individual "reached into his pocket," ran into the house and was "acting like he was" armed.

Both McMichael's were ready for action, to chase down the black man they decided was committing criminal acts in their neighborhood.

** Not true
Owner Says He Wasn’t Worried About Theft At Site Ahmaud Arbery’s Killers Claimed To Protect

Satilla Shores break-ins reported months before Ahmaud Arbery's killing

The break-ins in the Brunswick neighborhood Gregory McMichael told police he believed Ahmaud Arbery was responsible for were reported nearly two months before the McMichaels confronted the 25-year-old, police records show.

On January 1st, a neighbor, Travis James McMichael, filed a report of a firearm stolen from his truck.

That’s the most recent report of a Satilla shores break-in Glynn county leading up to Arbery's death that police provided FOX5.

It was 53 days after that reported theft, Travis McMichael’s name would show up on another police report as the man who shot and killed Ahmaud Arbery.

 

[joe jones]

Greg McMichael:

"He makes frequent trips to the neighborhood and gets caught on video cameras every third or fourth night breaking into places and no one's been able to catch him."

"He was worried that Arbery had stolen his son's handgun from his truck."

"He might of gone in somebody's house."

"To be perfectly honest with you, if I could have gotten a shot at the guy, I’d have shot him myself."

"Stop! I’ll blow your f*****g head off."

"This ain’t no shuffler. This guy’s an a**hole."

Greg had already made up his mind about Ahmaud Arbery.

This, despite admitting to Detective Marcy that Arbery was only *breaking into one house and that the house was under construction and had no windows or doors. And despite admitting to him that he had no proof Arbery had stolen his son Travis's gun.

Greg McMichael was a man with a mission and had planned all along to be the neighborhood "hero" and catch this black man he decided was a criminal - come hell or high water. Soon as he had the chance he was in his truck locked and loaded with 2 other people in hot pursuit. I believe he planned for this all along.

* Arbery was not "breaking" into places. In fact, in Georgia, it is not even trespassing without signs or without the owner telling you to stay off the property.

which was why when LE were going to speak to him about trespassing it was only going to be a warning not an actual citation for trespassing,

I think that they did not set out to murder him but in taking the guns they had intent to use them if they had to in order to get hold of Arbery, once he refused to comply (and why would he, he had 3 white men trying to run him down with guns, I bet his last moments were moments of unimagined terror) then they saw red and I do think he was shot intentionally, why I think they initially did not set out to murder him was they called LE

but they were never going to wait for LE, they were going to catch him no matter what they had to do

 

[Cool Cats]

which was why when LE were going to speak to him about trespassing it was only going to be a warning not an actual citation for trespassing,

I think that they did not set out to murder him but in taking the guns they had intent to use them if they had to in order to get hold of Arbery, once he refused to comply (and why would he, he had 3 white men trying to run him down with guns, I bet his last moments were moments of unimagined terror) then they saw red and I do think he was shot intentionally, why I think they initially did not set out to murder him was they called LE

but they were never going to wait for LE, they were going to catch him no matter what they had to do

Yes, the "heros" of the neighborhood who caught the "bad guy" holding him for police.

Gregory, a retired investigator and former police detective and Travis
a machinery technician for the US Coast Guard....

Greg McMichael Reportedly Bragged About Having Ahmaud Arbery ‘Trapped Like A Rat,’ According To Testimony

....were going to prove to one and all they had the know-how and weapondry skill to track down and capture this neighborhood menace.

They had no intention of waiting for police - why should they? The were assisting the police with their considerable skill sets. Police couldn't do without them.

Planned from day one. Humble opinion.

 

[Cryptic]

We can add Travis to the "wanting to be a neighborhood hero" category.

We've been having a lot of *burglaries and *break-ins around here lately, and I had a pistol stolen January 1 actually, and I've never seen this guy before in the neighborhood,"

Owner Says He Wasn’t Worried About Theft At Site Ahmaud Arbery’s Killers Claimed To Protect

Good quote. Travis probably did not need alot of "guidance" from McMichael sr to mount a capture or if resisting- kill" mission.

E's spinning after the fact is amazing: Not concerned about theft (either real or imagined) from the site?

Then why regale neighbors with legendary tales of 6K of stolen fishing tackle? Why approach at least one person about watching the site?

And... why apparently have a conversation with Mc Michael sr in which the neighborhood "situation" could well have been discussed and offers to "help" affirmed?

Of course, E's latest spin is that any possible conversation with the posse commander was not "meaningful" and that he cant really remember what was discussed.... .

 

[Cool Cats]

Good quote. Travis probably did not need alot of "guidance" from McMichael sr to mount a capture or if resisting- kill" mission.

E's spinning after the fact is amazing: Not concerned about theft (either real or imagined) from the site?

Then why regal neighbors with tales of 6K of missing fishing tackle? Why approach at least one person about watching the site?

And... why have a conversation with Mc Michael sr in which the neighborhood "situation" could well have been discussed and offers to "help" affirmed?

Of course, E's latest spin is that any possible conversation with the posse commander was brief and not "meaningful"- and he cant really remember what was discussed.... .

Why?

Hummm.....

I can think of a good reason that Property owner Larry English
is now distancing himself from the McMichaels' exaggerated claims of neighborhood thefts, including his own:

Death Threats.

Owner of house Ahmaud Arbery purportedly entered before shooting is getting threats

"English has received death threats since the arrests, his attorney said in an interview"

" Attorney Elizabeth Graddy said her client wants to "correct the mistaken impression" that English had shared the video or any other information about what had occurred at the property with the McMichaels before the shooting or at all."

 

[Hope4More]

(........)

****I firmly believe they would not have shot him if he had stopped and waited for police. ****

**** That being said once AA and Travis were in a struggle for the loaded gun, it became a fight to the death. ****

I don't know if that's true. Mostly because they obviously believed they had the *right* to demand he obey their orders, and they were, so they say, convinced he was he was a serial intruder & burglar & possibly armed.

How would you imagine that exchange going, even if AA hadn't accurately assessed the danger he was in & stopped? Greg grabbed his gun, not his phone, both he and Travis went armed. Do you think they wouldn't have pulled their guns out? Can you imagine them *not* accusing AA of thefts? How do you think they would have responded if AA had stopped, they accused him to his face of crimes he hadn't committed & ordered him to stay put-likely at gunpoint- and he started to run away at that point?

2. Have posted this already & again recently, but Travis told LE the day he killed AA that he shot AA *before* AA ever touched the gun, and that the 2nd & 3rd shot he fired were intentional & by choice, not accidental as AA tried to prevent being shot again. BTW, the first shot was the fatal shot.

 

[kaen]

I think the bigger question is.... why should Mr. Arbery pay with his life because these two men wanted him to stop and wait for the police? If someone wanted me to stop so they could talk to me (a woman), I would continue on as well. If they started chasing me and yelling at me, I certainly would begin to run faster to get away. If they tried to corner me, I would be terrified and do what I needed to do to escape. I might seek refuge at a home and, as a woman, I might be taken in. Mr. Arbery probably did not think that he could given the situation with these men chasing and yelling at him as well as brandishing guns in his direction-- he might have assumed that a homeowner would kill him for trespassing. I have been the victim of a violent crime. I fought for my life and safety. If the person responsible for the crime committed against me had tried to use the excuse that they just wanted me to comply and I complied, I might have been dead.

This man had every right to do what I or any other person would do. Conversely, these men could have slow followed him as he ran and waited for the police. Or, they could have hung back and followed him at a distance while waiting for the police. They had options. They were safe in a vehicle. They could evade a person trying to do them harm. They forced a confrontation with an unarmed man while they had 2 guns, a vehicle and outnumbered him. They had all of the options and he had none. He was out in the elements, had no weapon, and could not outrun them. You know, lots of people begin to throw this at Mr. Arbery' feet as if he could have known what was in their heads and what actions they would take. Clearly, these men were not going to take no for an answer. Just as in a rape or other violent crime when the victim/survivor does what they can to survive, many in our culture say that they did not do enough or brought on the crime by their action or lack of action.

In 2020, no person would think that they would be hunted like an animal for running down a road or been endangered by looking at a place under construction. Mr. Arbery was killed because these men thought they had the right to do whatever they wanted to him based on their own thinking. It is wrong and they should be found guilty for doing what they did to him. Of course, this is my humble opinion.

 

[ilovewings]

Yes, the "heros" of the neighborhood who caught the "bad guy" holding him for police.

Gregory, a retired investigator and former police detective and Travis
a machinery technician for the US Coast Guard....

Greg McMichael Reportedly Bragged About Having Ahmaud Arbery ‘Trapped Like A Rat,’ According To Testimony

....were going to prove to one and all they had the know-how and weapondry skill to track down and capture this neighborhood menace.

They had no intention of waiting for police - why should they? The were assisting the police with their considerable skill sets. Police couldn't do without them.

Planned from day one. Humble opinion.

Totally agree the McMichaels were obsessed with catching this "menace"- this "criminal"-- makes my heart hurt

 

[Jax49]

Mr. Arbery was killed because these men thought they had the right to do whatever they wanted to him based on their own thinking. It is wrong and they should be found guilty for doing what they did to him. Of course, this is my humble opinion.

RSFF

Wish you were on the jury. So logical and well said. moo

 

[Cool Cats]

Totally agree the McMichaels were obsessed with catching this "menace"- this "criminal"-- makes my heart hurt

What about Roddie? He brandished a phone not a gun.

I thought him much less culpable but now am hearing how he may have bumped Ahmaud with his car and admitted he was chasing him and didn't even know if he should be chasing him.

I'm on the fence with his murder charge though. I wonder why he isn't being tried separately.

 

[kaen]

What about Roddie? He brandished a phone not a gun.

I thought him much less culpable but now am hearing how he may have bumped Ahmaud with his car and admitted he was chasing him and didn't even know if he should be chasing him.

I'm on the fence with his murder charge though. I wonder why he isn't being tried separately.

There is a whole lot of unsaid stuff as well as the decisions this man made that don't make sense. I don't think we will ever hear any of the defendants admit to the winks and the nods that went on among these people who acted more as vigilante rather than an extension of the long arm of the law. JMHO.

 

[Cool Cats]

Man who took video 'minimized' his role in Ahmaud Arbery's killing, investigator tells jury

Bryan initially told a Glynn County officer he was "chasing" Arbery that day and "blocked," "cornered" and "cut off" Arbery. In a later interview with GBI, however, Bryan said he "angled" his car toward Arbery so he could "see" and take a photo of Arbery.

William "Roddie" Bryan

"His statements to me minimized his involvement in that process that led to Mr. Arbery’s death," Agent Jason Seacrist testified Friday.

Seacrist added, "His choice of words changed drastically from the point of the Glynn County interview to the point of his interview with me."

Prosecutor Linda Dunikoski shows a picture of the construction site where Ahmaud Arbery entered the structure

 

[Niner]

Monday, Nov. 15th:
*Trial continues (Day 7) (@ 9am ET) - GA – Ahmaud Marquez Arbery (25) (Feb. 23, 2020, shot while jogging in Satilla Shores neighborhood, Brunswick) - *Gregory Johns McMichael (64/now 65) arrested (5/7/20) & charged (5/8/20) with felony murder & aggravated assault. Indicted (6/24/20), charged & arraigned (7/17/20) with 1 count of malice murder, 4 counts of felony murder, 2 counts of aggravated assault, 1 count of false imprisonment & 1 count of criminal attempt to commit a felony. Plead not guilty. Held without bond. Bond denied (11/13/20).
*Travis James McMichael (34/now 35) arrested (5/7/20) & charged (5/8/20) with felony murder & aggravated assault. Indicted (6/24/20), charged & arraigned (7/17/20) with 1 count of malice murder, 4 counts of felony murder, 2 counts of aggravated assault, 1 count of false imprisonment & 1 count of criminal attempt to commit a felony. Plead not guilty. Held without bond. Bond denied (11/13/20).
*William “Roddie” Roderick Bryan, Jr. (50/now 51) arrested & charged (5/21/20) with felony murder & criminal attempt to commit false imprisonment. Indicted (6/24/20), charged & arraigned (7/17/20) with 1 count of malice murder, 4 counts of felony murder, 2 counts of aggravated assault, 1 count of false imprisonment & 1 count of criminal attempt to commit a felony. Plead not guilty. Held without bond.
Trial began on 10/18/21 with jury selection & ended on 11/3/21. Trial began on 11/5/21. Jurors: 5 men & 11 women with 4 alternates. 15 white/1 black jurors. 11/4/21: Juror #579 was excused, sick. Alternates now 3.
Court info from 5/8/20 thru 10/17/21 & Jury selection (Day 1-12) 10/18/21-11/3/21 & Trial (Day 1-5) 11/5/21 to 11/11/21 reference post #222 here:
GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former LEO and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 *Arrests* #4
11/12/21 Friday, Trial Day 6: State witnesses: Glynn County Police Officer Robert Rash. Jurors heard testimony taken from Rash's bodycam of him telling Greg & Travis McMichael in late 2019 that English "hasn't actually seen him take anything." Greg McM replied: "It's criminal trespassing." #ersations with Larry English about intruders at his home under construction in Satilla Shores. Jurors heard testimony taken from Rash's bodycam.
for more info see posts #235 & 239 here:
GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former LEO and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 *Arrests* #4
GCPD Officer Robert Rash continued.
for more info see posts #246 here:
GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former LEO and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 *Arrests* #4
GBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge Jason Seacrist.
for more info see posts #251, 254 & 255 here:
GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former LEO and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 *Arrests* #4
Jason Seacrist continued.
For more info see post #287 here:
GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former LEO and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 *Arrests* #4
Trial continues on Monday, 11/15/21.
*Federal charges: *Travis James McMichael (34/now 35) & *Gregory Johns McMichael & *William “Roddie” Roderick Bryan, Jr. Next motions hearing on 11/19/21. Trial set to begin on 2/7/22.