GUILTY GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former LEO and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 *Arrests* #6

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Were Ahmaud Arbery's murderers racially motivated? U.S. federal trial will decide

The family hopes that evidence of racist language allegedly used by Travis McMichael, none of which was shown to the Glynn County jury, will finally be considered by the justice system, Crump said.

In pre-trial motions, state prosecutors told the court that they had evidence of "racial animus" motivating the defendants. At a bond hearing, they said Travis McMichael, 35, had used racial slurs on social media and in a text message.

At a pre-trial hearing, an investigator recounted Bryan telling him he heard McMichael used a slur as he stood over Arbery's body, although McMichael's lawyers raised doubts about Bryan's reliability.

Prosecutors also decided against showing the jury the vanity license plate the younger McMichael affixed to his pickup truck in 2020. The plate includes the old Georgia state flag, which prominently incorporates the Confederate battle flag.

Americans are divided over whether such symbols of those who fought against the abolition of slavery are a display of Southern pride or of white supremacy.

But none of that emerged in the trial's two weeks of testimony, even as race shaped public perception of the case, fueled in part by the repeated unsuccessful efforts of Kevin Gough, Bryan's attorney, to get Black pastors banned from the courtroom.

EVIDENCE IN FEDERAL TRIAL

At least some of this evidence, however, may feature in the federal trial.

"You better believe that a federal judge is going to be willing to hear evidence of racial animus, including specific text messages, when racial animus is a key element of the charge," said Ayesha Bell Hardaway, a director of Case Western Reserve University's Social Justice Institute.

The federal indictment charges the three men with hate crimes, saying they infringed Arbery's civil rights by chasing and killing him because he was Black, among other charges. It does not show what evidence prosecutors might present to convince a jury that racism played a role.

The U.S. Department of Justice said in a statement that there may be some overlap in witnesses between the two cases but they were otherwise independent of each other.
 
  • #102
I think forums like this one in particular, which is so heavily and unabashedly pro-law enforcement, do need to remember that LE was an active hindrance in this case. The verdict that was reached today happened in spite of LE, not because of it. The McMichaels, with their close connections to LE, had every institutional advantage and leaned on those advantages heavily all throughout the process. In fact, they brought about their own undoing by taking a video and releasing it, so sure were they that they were in the right and were going to be vindicated by LE. On its own, LE wasn't going to do a thing.

I hope people remember that they next time they start gushing praise for LE. Let's be a little bit more measured in our estimation of some of these institutions.
This case was brought by the

Georgia Bureau of Investigation

They were not an "active hindrance in this case."
 
  • #103
I think Langston Hughes would gladly say he spoke prematurely with this poem.

That Justice is a blind goddess
Is a thing to which we black are wise:
Her bandage hides two festering sores
That once perhaps were eyes.
 
  • #104
I am flipping through tv stations to see the looks on their faces when the verdict is read. I hope it was visceral, their fear. The world's axis just tilted for them.

Not much expression but they knew the odds were not in their favor. They did not seem surprised.
 
  • #105
Not much expression but they knew the odds were not in their favor. They did not seem surprised.

Yes, I did get to see the reaction. I saw a brief moment of disbelief then resignation. RB seemed to show the most emotion.
 
  • #106
As the verdict came in, I was with young people--young people who often feel that justice is not going to happen for them. Today, I feel some measure of justice has been given to Mr. Arbery and his family. The jury got this right in my opinion. I am sad that these situations continue to happen in our country. But, I am gratified that the jury was not blinded with what many felt they could not do.

Rest in Power, Mr. Arbery. Tomorrow when the Arbery family sits down to give thanks, they still won't have their son. My greatest hope is that people like these murderers recognize that they can no longer just hunt down and/or kill just because they think they have the right to do so. I will be thankful for this jury and their ability to see beyond the dog whistles and veiled racism.

I have tears in my eyes reading your comment.
I am so thankful that justice was upheld. But I still gag in disgust when I think of the defense attorney making that 'long dirty tonails' comment. Disgraceful. I have no problem with a defense attorney defending their clients (that is their job), but to pull out that dog whistle was beyond the pale.
 
  • #107
Yes, I did get to see the reaction. I saw a brief moment of disbelief then resignation. RB seemed to show the most emotion.

Yah, RB got 2 not guilty's at first and was the one most likely to get more acquittals so real disappointment.

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3 men found guilty of murdering Ahmaud Arbery
 
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  • #108
2020 changes in 2 GA laws were a direct result of the video of AA's murder:
‘Not in vain’: How Arbery’s murder sparked changes in Georgia’s law

"Legislators soon [after the video] adopted hate-crimes legislation after nearly two decades of attempts to put a law back on the books. It increased the punishment for people who commit crimes against someone based on race, sexual orientation, religion or other characteristics."

"Soon after the hate-crimes law was passed, legislators held hearings on the repeal of the state’s citizen’s arrest law, a statute dating to the Civil War that was initially cited by a prosecutor to justify the shooting of Arbery."

"Arbery’s mother, Wanda Cooper-Jones, told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution after the passage of both bills that it gave her solace to know her son’s death would help Georgians going forward."
 
  • #109
Really, just doing his job correctly and with the dignity we expect of the bench. Unfortunate that we can't count on that from all judges, but I appreciate him all the same.

I think some of us are so thankful that he simply did his job well, after another 'recent sensitive case' where it was clear that judge's can be extremely partisan.
 
  • #110
Sara Sidner
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The crowd goes wild with applause as the prosecutor who tried the murder case Linda Dunikoski walked out of court. Never seen so many black folks cheering on a prosecutor. “The verdict today was based on the facts and based on the evidence.” (crowd yells yes)
I hope that it gives them some confidence in the judiciary that has been lacking with good reason.
She should be nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize, this is a corner turned IMO.
I know that she was doing her job but so many others have not done their best in these situations in the past.
 
  • #111
This case was brought by the

Georgia Bureau of Investigation

They were not an "active hindrance in this case."
I think you're intentionally choosing to focus on one possible meaning of my statement without considering the whole context. Local LE did not want to charge these men and went out of their way not to do so. Left to their own devices, nothing would have happened.

Heck, one of the previous prosecutors is now under indictment for her handling of this case. Prosecutors are 100% part of the law enforcement system. It is absolutely a fact and demonstrably true that LE was an active hindrance in this case.
 
  • #112
I think Langston Hughes would gladly say he spoke prematurely with this poem.

That Justice is a blind goddess
Is a thing to which we black are wise:
Her bandage hides two festering sores
That once perhaps were eyes.
Although it has been over sixty years, so not too premature and one battle does not win a war. IMO.
 
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I was busy all day and didn’t get a chance to even know about the verdict until an hour ago. Then I had to catch up on the threads. To say that I am shocked and thrilled is an understatement! But I owe the jury an apology. I did not think they would come through for Ahmaud. I was wrong. They showed intelligence and courage and were not swayed by the racist dog whistles and T.M. using his son to justify his “self defense” claim. Bravo!

(I guess @IzzyBlanche won’t be leaving the country after all. :D)
 
  • #115
2020 changes in 2 GA laws were a direct result of the video of AA's murder:
‘Not in vain’: How Arbery’s murder sparked changes in Georgia’s law

"Legislators soon [after the video] adopted hate-crimes legislation after nearly two decades of attempts to put a law back on the books. It increased the punishment for people who commit crimes against someone based on race, sexual orientation, religion or other characteristics."

"Soon after the hate-crimes law was passed, legislators held hearings on the repeal of the state’s citizen’s arrest law, a statute dating to the Civil War that was initially cited by a prosecutor to justify the shooting of Arbery."

"Arbery’s mother, Wanda Cooper-Jones, told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution after the passage of both bills that it gave her solace to know her son’s death would help Georgians going forward."

Yeah, and it passed with nearly unanimous support. Brian Kemp was very vocal in promoting the change, and gave this statement today.

Kemp said:
Ahmaud Arbery was the victim of a vigilantism that has no place in Georgia. As legal efforts continue to hold accountable all who may be responsible, we hope the Arbery family, the Brunswick community, our state, and those around the nation who have been following his case can now move forward down a path of healing and reconciliation.

I guess the bill's easy passage and signing should have been a good sign that the people of GA have a lot of antipathy to the kind of actions here, and so then so would this jury.
 
  • #116
My heart goes out to Ahmaud’s mother, father, family and friends. They fought long and hard for justice and they must be exhausted and emotionally drained. Although this verdict will not bring Ahmaud back, I hope it will comfort to them to know that the jury saw past the racial divide and delivered justice for Ahmaud.
 
  • #117
I was busy all day and didn’t get a chance to even know about the verdict until an hour ago. Then I had to catch up on the threads. To say that I am shocked and thrilled is an understatement! But I owe the jury an apology. I did not think they would come through for Ahmaud. I was wrong. They showed intelligence and courage and were not swayed by the racist dog whistles and T.M. using his son to justify his “self defense” claim. Bravo!

(I guess @IzzyBlanche won’t be leaving the country after all. :D)

No I won't!
 
  • #118
I was busy all day and didn’t get a chance to even know about the verdict until an hour ago. Then I had to catch up on the threads. To say that I am shocked and thrilled is an understatement! But I owe the jury an apology. I did not think they would come through for Ahmaud. I was wrong. They showed intelligence and courage and were not swayed by the racist dog whistles and T.M. using his son to justify his “self defense” claim. Bravo!

(I guess @IzzyBlanche won’t be leaving the country after all. :D)
Nor did I give them enough credit. I was worried about that local neighborhood and that community FB page which seemed to be racist and overly dramatic about a black man running. Children too frightened to go outside, was ridiculous.
 
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This is great news and the perfect time to with my American neighbours to the south a wonderful Thanksgiving!
May you be healthy, happy and full!
 

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