GUILTY GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former LEO and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 *Arrests* #6

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Federal vs. State Prison: Which is Better? - GlobalTel

Federal prisons are managed by the Federal Bureau of Prisons, while state prisons are managed by the state government.

State prisons are usually of lower quality than federal ones. This is because state prisons rely on state taxes for funding, which results in inferior management and rehabilitation programs.

Federal prisons are given funding by the federal government, resulting in high budgets. The higher budget allows for better quality facilities, food, and rehabilitation programs.

State prisons tend to be far more problematic than federal ones. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLA) filed numerous lawsuits against state prisons for inhumane treatment, overcrowding, sexual abuse, and racial discrimination. Because many state prisons are poorly maintained, overcrowded prisoners often get frustrated, becoming more violent.

Federal prisons, with their inflated budgets, can provide much better services to their inmates. The instances of federal prisons getting overcrowded are far less prominent than their state counterparts.

The Bureau of Justice Statistics documented the mortality rate in federal and state prisons for the years 2001-2016. The study found that 53,051 prisoners died in state prisons compared to the 5,985 of its counterpart.

We recommend any citizen reading this to do their utmost to keep out of the prison system. However, if we had to choose between either federal and state prisons, we have to go with federal ones. Issues arising from overcrowding, underemployed staff, and inadequate facilities face a far lower risk than in state prisons. While better in virtually every aspect, federal prisons are not without problems. Violence and gang-related conflicts plague both prisons, issues that the authorities should address.
 
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^^^^^Makes total sense to me and is born out by the stats.
 
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Monday, February 7th:
*Trial set to begin (for all) (Federal Charges) (@ 10am ET) - GA – Ahmaud Marquez Arbery (25) (Feb. 23, 2020, shot while jogging in Satilla Shores neighborhood, Brunswick) - *Travis James McMichael (34/now 35) & *Gregory Johns McMichael (64/now 66) indicted (4/28/21), charged & arraigned (5/11/21) with Federal crimes of 1 count of interference with rights (hate crime), 1 count of attempted kidnapping, 1 count of using, carrying & brandishing firearms during & in relation to a crime of violence & attempted to unlawfully seize & confine Arbery in an attempt to restrict his free movement & detain him against his will & Travis: plus 1 count of discharging a firearm. Both plead not guilty. No bond.
*William “Roddie” Roderick Bryan, Jr.
(50/now 51) indicted (4/28/21), charged & arraigned (5/11/21) with Federal crimes of 1 count of interference with rights (hate crime), 1 count of attempted kidnapping & attempted to unlawfully seize & confine Arbery in an attempt to restrict his free movement & detain him against his will. Plead not guilty. No bond.
Trial set to begin on 2/7/22 with jury selection. Will be 12 jurors with 4 alternates. Prosecuted by Assistant U.S. Attorney Tara Lyons of the Southern District of Georgia & Deputy Chief Bobbi Bernstein & Special Litigation Counsel Christopher J. Perras of the Civil Rights Division. Trial with jury selection is expected to take 3 weeks.
Indictment & Court info from 7/26/21 to 1/30/22 & State case conclusions reference post #453 here:
GUILTY - GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former LEO and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 *Arrests* #6

1/31/22 Update: Judge Lisa Godbey Wood rejects guilty pleas that would have cabined her sentencing discretion (that would leave her with no discretion at sentencing & require her to impose 30 years) & tells defendants they can now go to trial or plead with the knowledge she will impose sentence & determine whether it runs with or in addition to the state time imposed. Terms of deal: in exchange for admitting actions were racially motivated, McMichaels would serve 1st 30 years of life sentence in federal prison (rather than state). The deal would have also barred the men from appealing their federal guilty pleas. Federal Judge accepts guilty plea from Travis but rejects the request to serve federal prison sentence first. Travis is now deciding if he will withdraw his guilty plea & go to trial or keep guilty plea. Judge is now giving Travis up to 48 hours to decide if he will withdraw his guilty plea & head to trial or keep the guilty plea. The judge gave the McMichaels until Friday, 2/4/22 to decide whether they move ahead with pleading guilty. Judge Wood continued preparations to summon summoning the first 50 potential jurors to the courthouse on Feb. 7 for questioning.
2/4/22 Update: Gregory McMichael is expected to face trial on federal hate crime charges after withdrawing a plea agreement. Attorneys for Gregory informed the court that the prior plea agreement over hate crime charges is null & void. He has pleaded not guilty. Travis McMichael also withdrew his plea on federal hate crimes charges & will stand trial. Trial proceedings are slated to begin Monday, 2/7/22 with jury selection.
 
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This ought to be good.
 
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“Has anyone never heard anything about this case?” Wood asked the jury pool members, who all sat silently for several seconds with their hands at their sides.

“I’ll let the record reflect that no hands were raised,” the judge said.

[snip]

When the judge returned to the courtroom, she dismissed nine of the panelists, leaving 16 remaining in the jury pool. She said they would need to return to court next week and face more questions before a final jury gets chosen.
Jury selection begins in hate crimes trial for Arbery death
 
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Tuesday, February 8th:
*Trial continues with Jury Selection (Day 2) (for all) (Federal Charges) (@ 10am ET) - GA – Ahmaud Marquez Arbery (25) (Feb. 23, 2020, shot while jogging in Satilla Shores neighborhood, Brunswick) - *Travis James McMichael (34/now 35) & *Gregory Johns McMichael (64/now 66) indicted (4/28/21), charged & arraigned (5/11/21) with Federal crimes of 1 count of interference with rights (hate crime), 1 count of attempted kidnapping, 1 count of using, carrying & brandishing firearms during & in relation to a crime of violence & attempted to unlawfully seize & confine Arbery in an attempt to restrict his free movement & detain him against his will & Travis: plus 1 count of discharging a firearm. Both plead not guilty. No bond.
*William “Roddie” Roderick Bryan, Jr. (50/now 51) indicted (4/28/21), charged & arraigned (5/11/21) with Federal crimes of 1 count of interference with rights (hate crime), 1 count of attempted kidnapping & attempted to unlawfully seize & confine Arbery in an attempt to restrict his free movement & detain him against his will. Plead not guilty. No bond.
Trial began on 2/7/22 with jury selection. Will be 12 jurors with 4 alternates. Prosecuted by Assistant U.S. Attorney Tara Lyons of the Southern District of Georgia & Deputy Chief Bobbi Bernstein & Special Litigation Counsel Christopher J. Perras of the Civil Rights Division. Trial with jury selection is expected to take 3 weeks.
Indictment & Court info from 7/26/21 to 2/4/22 & State case conclusions reference post #463 here:
GUILTY - GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former LEO and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 *Arrests* #6

2/7/22 Monday, Trial Day 1: Jury selection begins. Jury selection got off to a fast start Monday with the judge conducting much of the questioning to determine whether potential jurors had unshakable opinions about the highly publicized case behind closed doors. U.S. District Court Judge Lisa Godbey Wood predicted before adjourning that a final panel of 12 main jurors & four alternates will be seated at the beginning of next week on 2/14/22. That was after she deemed 30 of the 52 jury pool members questioned Monday capable of serving fairly. It’s unclear what potential jurors said they already know about the case. That’s because the judge & attorneys spent hours questioning them individually outside of the courtroom where reporters & other members of the public couldn’t hear their answers. Wood said she planned to make more of the questioning public when jury selection resumes Tuesday, with potential jurors being asked in open court about their exposure to news stories, social media posts & other information about Arbery's killing. However, the judge said any matters dealing with jury pool members' health as well as questions about their views on racial issues would continue to be conducted in a more private setting with just the attorneys, defendants & court staff present. When the judge returned to the courtroom, she dismissed nine of the panelists, leaving 16 remaining in the jury pool. She said they would need to return to court next week & face more questions before a final jury gets chosen. The judge told potential jurors that, once a jury gets selected, she expects the hate crimes trial to last between seven & 12 days. Jury selection continues on 2/8/22.
 
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“Has anyone never heard anything about this case?” Wood asked the jury pool members, who all sat silently for several seconds with their hands at their sides.

“I’ll let the record reflect that no hands were raised,” the judge said.

[snip]

When the judge returned to the courtroom, she dismissed nine of the panelists, leaving 16 remaining in the jury pool. She said they would need to return to court next week and face more questions before a final jury gets chosen.
Jury selection begins in hate crimes trial for Arbery death

I hope they are being honest.
 
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In Arbery death case, possible jurors question hate crimes

Several potential jurors in the hate crimes trial of three white men who chased and killed Ahmaud Arbery said in court Tuesday that they believe problems with racism in America are exaggerated and questioned whether there should be special charges or punishments for crimes motivated by race.

One jury pool member was asked by the judge and attorneys why she wrote on her juror questionnaire that "hate crimes are damaging to society as a whole.”

“I just think it doesn’t matter what the race is," said the woman, identified in court as juror No. 156, whom the judge ultimately deemed qualified to remain in the jury pool. "If it’s wrong, it’s wrong.”

Potential juror No. 171 said during questioning Tuesday he thinks problems with racism are exaggerated and he's “never seen a real problem with it in my day.”

“I grew up with all races and have no problem with anybody," said the panelist, who described himself as a "white man from the South.”

Pressed by prosecutor Christopher Perras on whether he could support a conviction on hate crimes charges, No. 171 insisted he could "with the right evidence.”

“There would have to be a real drive for them to chase a man because of his skin color, a real history,” said the potential juror, who was also qualified to advance in the jury pool.

Another man, juror No. 132, answered a question on his jury form about hate crimes that “hate is a subjective term. A crime is a crime.”

“My view is, you know, when you commit a crime against another person, there is a certain level of hate,” No. 132 said when asked to explain his position.

When the judge asked if that view would make it difficult for him to convict someone of a hate crime, he answered: “The law is the law, your honor.”
 
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In Arbery death case, possible jurors question hate crimes

Several potential jurors in the hate crimes trial of three white men who chased and killed Ahmaud Arbery said in court Tuesday that they believe problems with racism in America are exaggerated and questioned whether there should be special charges or punishments for crimes motivated by race.

One jury pool member was asked by the judge and attorneys why she wrote on her juror questionnaire that "hate crimes are damaging to society as a whole.”

“I just think it doesn’t matter what the race is," said the woman, identified in court as juror No. 156, whom the judge ultimately deemed qualified to remain in the jury pool. "If it’s wrong, it’s wrong.”

Oh god that is worrying. What a terrible take. Where do you even begin to explain things to someone that doesn’t think racism is THAT much of a problem? I guess it’s not for them. And I don’t understand how someone can say both “hate crimes are damaging to society as a whole.” and “it doesn’t matter what the race is”. It does. That is kind of the whole point of this trial. Sounds to me like she’s denying that race can be a factor!?
 
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oddly phrased question but I think they are being honest. Not a single one has never heard about this case

haha your post made me realize I read it wrong!
 
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This will be the last post for updates - as I am going on Holiday for 2 weeks. I'll try & come in every other day for updates.

Wednesday, February 9th:
*Trial continues with Jury Selection (Day 3) (for all) (Federal Charges) (@ 10am ET) - GA – Ahmaud Marquez Arbery (25) (Feb. 23, 2020, shot while jogging in Satilla Shores neighborhood, Brunswick) - *Travis James McMichael (34/now 35) & *Gregory Johns McMichael (64/now 66) indicted (4/28/21), charged & arraigned (5/11/21) with Federal crimes of 1 count of interference with rights (hate crime), 1 count of attempted kidnapping, 1 count of using, carrying & brandishing firearms during & in relation to a crime of violence & attempted to unlawfully seize & confine Arbery in an attempt to restrict his free movement & detain him against his will & Travis: plus 1 count of discharging a firearm. Both plead not guilty. No bond.
*William “Roddie” Roderick Bryan, Jr. (50/now 51) indicted (4/28/21), charged & arraigned (5/11/21) with Federal crimes of 1 count of interference with rights (hate crime), 1 count of attempted kidnapping & attempted to unlawfully seize & confine Arbery in an attempt to restrict his free movement & detain him against his will. Plead not guilty. No bond.
Trial began on 2/7/22 with jury selection. Will be 12 jurors with 4 alternates. Prosecuted by Assistant U.S. Attorney Tara Lyons of the Southern District of Georgia & Deputy Chief Bobbi Bernstein & Special Litigation Counsel Christopher J. Perras of the Civil Rights Division. Trial is expected to take 7 to 12 days.
Indictment & Court info from 7/26/21 to 2/4/22, Jury selection (Day 1) 2/7/22 reference post #467 here:
GUILTY - GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former LEO and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 *Arrests* #6

2/8/22 Tuesday, Trial Day 2: Jury selection continues. 30 potential jurors have been selected. Jury selection continues on 2/9/22.
 
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I have access (in the mornings) on my sister's broadband! :)

Thursday, February 10th:
*Trial continues with Jury Selection (Day 4) (for all) (Federal Charges) (@ 10am ET) - GA – Ahmaud Marquez Arbery (25) (Feb. 23, 2020, shot while jogging in Satilla Shores neighborhood, Brunswick) - *Travis James McMichael (34/now 35) & *Gregory Johns McMichael (64/now 66) indicted (4/28/21), charged & arraigned (5/11/21) with Federal crimes of 1 count of interference with rights (hate crime), 1 count of attempted kidnapping, 1 count of using, carrying & brandishing firearms during & in relation to a crime of violence & attempted to unlawfully seize & confine Arbery in an attempt to restrict his free movement & detain him against his will & Travis: plus 1 count of discharging a firearm. Both plead not guilty. No bond.
*William “Roddie” Roderick Bryan, Jr. (50/now 51) indicted (4/28/21), charged & arraigned (5/11/21) with Federal crimes of 1 count of interference with rights (hate crime), 1 count of attempted kidnapping & attempted to unlawfully seize & confine Arbery in an attempt to restrict his free movement & detain him against his will. Plead not guilty. No bond.
Trial began on 2/7/22 with jury selection. Will be 12 jurors with 4 alternates. Prosecuted by Assistant U.S. Attorney Tara Lyons of the Southern District of Georgia & Deputy Chief Bobbi Bernstein & Special Litigation Counsel Christopher J. Perras of the Civil Rights Division. Trial is expected to take 7 to 12 days.
Indictment & Court info from 7/26/21 to 2/4/22, Jury selection (Day 1) 2/7/22 reference post #467 here:
GUILTY - GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former LEO and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 *Arrests* #6

2/8/22 Tuesday, Trial Day 2: Jury selection continues. 30 potential jurors have been selected. Jury selection continues on 2/9/22.
2/9/22 Wednesday, Trial Day 3: Jury selection continues on 2/10/22.
 
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So glad, Niner! You are super important to us in a million ways, you golden person, you!
 
  • #476
Friday, February 11th:
*Trial continues with Jury Selection (Day 5) (for all) (Federal Charges) (@ 10am ET) - GA – Ahmaud Marquez Arbery (25) (Feb. 23, 2020, shot while jogging in Satilla Shores neighborhood, Brunswick) - *Travis James McMichael (34/now 35) & *Gregory Johns McMichael (64/now 66) indicted (4/28/21), charged & arraigned (5/11/21) with Federal crimes of 1 count of interference with rights (hate crime), 1 count of attempted kidnapping, 1 count of using, carrying & brandishing firearms during & in relation to a crime of violence & attempted to unlawfully seize & confine Arbery in an attempt to restrict his free movement & detain him against his will & Travis: plus 1 count of discharging a firearm. Both plead not guilty. No bond.
*William “Roddie” Roderick Bryan, Jr. (50/now 51) indicted (4/28/21), charged & arraigned (5/11/21) with Federal crimes of 1 count of interference with rights (hate crime), 1 count of attempted kidnapping & attempted to unlawfully seize & confine Arbery in an attempt to restrict his free movement & detain him against his will. Plead not guilty. No bond.
Trial began on 2/7/22 with jury selection. Will be 12 jurors with 4 alternates. Prosecuted by Assistant U.S. Attorney Tara Lyons of the Southern District of Georgia & Deputy Chief Bobbi Bernstein & Special Litigation Counsel Christopher J. Perras of the Civil Rights Division. Trial is expected to take 7 to 12 days.
Indictment & Court info from 7/26/21 to 2/4/22, Jury selection (Day 1-2) 2/7/22-2/8/22 reference post #474 here:
GUILTY - GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former LEO and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 *Arrests* #6

2/9/22 Wednesday, Trial Day 3: Just over 50 people have been told to report back to the federal court in Brunswick, Ga., next week for more questioning before lawyers use their “peremptory strikes,” which allow both sides to remove people from the jury pool without giving a reason. There will be more preliminary screening Thursday & possibly Friday. Once 12 jurors & four alternates are picked, the trial is expected to take seven to 12 days, U.S. District Judge Lisa Wood has said. So far, 52 potential jurors qualified. Five of those qualified Wednesday. They were a mix of people who knew a little about the case & felt they could remain unbiased. Judge Lisa Godbey Wood wants 55 to 60 qualified candidates before narrowing the field to the final panel of 12 jurors and four alternates. She originally wanted 36 qualified candidates. Jury selection continues on 2/10/22.
2/10/22 Thursday, Trial Day 4: No info available. Jury selection continues on 2/11/22.
 
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I hope they are being honest.

When individuals receive notification for jury duty what time elapses between the person finding out they've drawn jury duty and the defense and prosecutors getting the list? Do they even get it? Or do they just meet potential jurors during voir dire? You'd think everyone would be really interested in their social media and interests.
 
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Judge in Arbery death federal trial to seat jury Monday

The federal judge presiding over the hate crimes trial of three white men who chased and killed Ahmaud Arbery said she will seat a jury Monday after a week spent asking potential jurors what they already know about the Black man's death as well as their views on racism in America.

U.S. District Court Judge Lisa Godbey Wood said Friday she's ready to start the trial with 64 people deemed qualified to serve as impartial jurors. That pool will be narrowed to a main jury of 12 plus four alternates Monday, when the judge also expects attorneys to make opening statements.
 
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Monday, February 14th:
*Trial continues with Jury Selection (Final day) (Day 6) (for all) (Federal Charges) (@ 10am ET) - GA – Ahmaud Marquez Arbery (25) (Feb. 23, 2020, shot while jogging in Satilla Shores neighborhood, Brunswick) - *Travis James McMichael (34/now 35) & *Gregory Johns McMichael (64/now 66) indicted (4/28/21), charged & arraigned (5/11/21) with Federal crimes of 1 count of interference with rights (hate crime), 1 count of attempted kidnapping, 1 count of using, carrying & brandishing firearms during & in relation to a crime of violence & attempted to unlawfully seize & confine Arbery in an attempt to restrict his free movement & detain him against his will & Travis: plus 1 count of discharging a firearm. Both plead not guilty. No bond.
*William “Roddie” Roderick Bryan, Jr. (50/now 51) indicted (4/28/21), charged & arraigned (5/11/21) with Federal crimes of 1 count of interference with rights (hate crime), 1 count of attempted kidnapping & attempted to unlawfully seize & confine Arbery in an attempt to restrict his free movement & detain him against his will. Plead not guilty. No bond.
Trial began on 2/7/22 with jury selection. Will be 12 jurors with 4 alternates. Prosecuted by Assistant U.S. Attorney Tara Lyons of the Southern District of Georgia & Deputy Chief Bobbi Bernstein & Special Litigation Counsel Christopher J. Perras of the Civil Rights Division. Trial is expected to take 7 to 12 days.
Indictment & Court info from 7/26/21 to 2/4/22, Jury selection (Day 1-3) 2/7/22-2/9/22 reference post #476 here:
GUILTY - GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former LEO and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 *Arrests* #6

2/10/22 Thursday, Trial Day 4: 57 potential jurors qualified so far. No other info available. Jury selection continues on 2/11/22.
2/11/22 Friday, Trial Day 5: U.S. District Court Judge Lisa Godbey Wood said Friday she's ready to start the trial with 64 people deemed qualified to serve as impartial jurors. That pool will be narrowed to a main jury of 12 plus four alternates Monday, when the judge also expects attorneys to make opening statements. Jury selection continues on Monday, 2/14/22.
 

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