GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former PD and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 #2

[beatrixpotter]

Oh yeah at least 11.2 miles away in a rich neighborhood at 1 pm with another 11.2 miles (at least) to go back home with cargo shorts and no water with a highlight of stopping in on a house in construction to look at the architecture. Sure that it is...that's the ticket! LOL!!

I think you answered your own question. Who the hell jogs 11 miles to steal something from a house under construction in broad daylight while planning to carry it 11 miles in broad daylight? No one!

 

[sds71]

Some noted it was alarming that Barnhill so aggressively brought prosecutions for minuscule voting infractions but didn’t think charges were warranted in Arbery’s case, where there was video evidence showing two men chasing down an unarmed man and shooting him.

Ahmaud Arbery: new focus on district attorney’s flawed prosecutions of black women

 

[Hope4More]

That exact moment shows me that AA did not believe the occupants of the vehicles were going to shoot. By that time there had already been ample opportunity to fire a shot and AA could surely see GM in the back of the truck on the phone. He knew they weren’t “hunting” him, he wasn’t dodging bullets and running for his life - he was running to avoid being detained. The decision to charge at the man holding a shotgun was not his only option, it was in fact his worst available option and a very, very bad decision.

"He was running to avoid being detained." Well......yes. By 3 strange men, at least 2 of them armed, chasing him down in their trucks, shouting at him, ordering him to stop, trying to force him to do so.

No rational person would believe their pursuers in that situation were benign, even before considering race.

And I'm sure you don't mean to suggest he was running to keep from being "detained" because he had committed a crime of any kind. Because he hadn't, and because he hadn't, would have had no reason to connect the screaming armed men who appeared out of nowhere with anything that he had done.

 

[watergirl62]

Using security footage, cellphone video, 911 calls and police reports, The Times has reconstructed the 12 minutes before Ahmaud Arbery was shot dead in Georgia on Feb. 23.

Ahmaud Arbery’s Final Minutes: What Videos and 911 Calls Show

Thanks for posting this (and all of your other MSM links), sds71.

IMO, this is a reasonable reconstruction of all the movements of people involved that reconciles numerous pieces of information. Note, there is a disclaimer at the end discussing the data gap regarding the contradictory time stamps.

I have had a hard time trying to come up with a reasonable scenario of events in my head that incorporates WB's video of Holmes, GM's account in the police report about Buford Drive, and Grey Hughes Location of the shooting. I think NYT gives an excellent video presentation of what they have put together.

 

[MsBetsy]

The important part is there. The video made by William Bryan clearly shows the shooting in real-time. From said video it appears Ahmaud Arbery was running along the right side of the McMichael truck then abruptly turns 90 degrees to the left and attacks Travis McMichael who was standing at the front left corner of the truck . A brief skirmish ensues in which it appear Arbery strikes McMichael and appears to grab the shotgun and pull it from McMichael The shot is through Arbery s right hand palm which is consistent with him grabbing and pulling the shotgun at the barrel tip , the 2nd and 3rd wounds are consistent with the struggle for the shotgun as depicted in the video , the angle of the 2nd shot with the rear of the butt-stock being pushed away and down from the fight are also consistent with the upward angle of blood plume shown in the video and that McMichael was attempting to push the gun away from Arbery while Arbery was pulling it toward himself. The 3rd shot too appears to be in a struggle over the gun . The angle of the shots and the video show this was from the beginning or almost immediately became-- a fight over the shotgun .


Given the fact Arbery initiated the fight, at the point Arbery grabbed the shotgun, under Georgia Law , McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself. Just as importantly, while we know McMichael had his finger on the trigger, we do not know who caused the firings. Arbery would only had to pull the shotgun approximately 1/ 16th to 1/ 8th of one inch to fire weapon himself and in the height of an altercation this is entirely possible .

Those are Barnhill's words. If he didn't know who caused the firings, why not investigate further?

He also claimed he was not biased and he had no idea his son and McMichaels had worked together and were involved in a previous case involving Arbery. I find that hard to believe.

I'm not sure he is the best person to quote.

Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

I think you answered your own question. Who the hell jogs 11 miles to steal something from a house under construction in broad daylight while planning to carry it 11 miles in broad daylight? No one!

And if the men really thought he was the same man in the videos, they would know he never took anything. They also probably knew there was nothing in that house to steal.

The whole notion of him being a "burglary suspect" sounds like an excuse to me. They just didn't like him being in their neighborhood.

Imo

 

[Cryptic]

That exact moment shows me that AA did not believe the occupants of the vehicles were going to shoot..

As you noted, there were two occupants of the truck. Either of these two individuals could make a fully independent decision to shoot. They had no obligation to reach a consensus before shooting

It is hard to fire a weapon while driving a vehicle. This is especially so when the weapon is a shotgun.

Thus, AA had no idea of whether the individual holding the shotgun was not inclined to shoot him- or had simply been unable to shoot him because he was driving the truck.

What AA did know is that he repeatedly tried to get away from the two assailants. This is very evident from the video and from the calls the men made ("He's running down the road!")- not, "He's running towards us".

Heck, the lowly police dispatcher was the most capable individual in the Brunswick PD:
Dimwit: - "We are chasing him now!!" (paraphrase)
Dispatch: - "Is all he did was enter the property and left?" Translation: WTF? Her hint to dimwit: You might want to think twice about what you are doing... .

 

[tlcya]

Oh yeah at least 11.2 miles away in a rich neighborhood at 1 pm with another 11.2 miles (at least) to go back home with cargo shorts and no water with a highlight of stopping in on a house in construction to look at the architecture. Sure that it is...that's the ticket! LOL!!

I hoped to request a link but it appears I won't be getting it. AA is stated in multiple MSM reports to have lived approximately 2 miles from the scene of his murder in Satilla Shores not 11.2. Here is just one. Glad I could help clear that up for any confused by the inaccurate information stated in the quoted post.

Ahmaud Arbery video: William Bryan under investigation; #IRunWithMaud

 

[Hope4More]

Using security footage, cellphone video, 911 calls and police reports, The Times has reconstructed the 12 minutes before Ahmaud Arbery was shot dead in Georgia on Feb. 23.

Ahmaud Arbery’s Final Minutes: What Videos and 911 Calls Show

One thing this NYT piece did was make me realize I've been wrong about the layout of the neighborhood's roads. I thought Satilla Drive looped all the way around, but misremembered and/or misread the interactive maps I looked up. Sorry for posting inaccurate info, and then inaccurate conclusions based on bad info.

Seeing the actual layout of roads, the path of pursuit is puzzling, and imo, way more disturbing.

The MMs chased AA on Holmes going in one direction but killed him while pointing in the other direction, and just yards away from the intersection of Satilla and Holmes. From beginning to end, the pursuit lasted about 4 minutes. That's a long time, actually, to account for the trivial distance between the beginning and final locations the MMs and Roddy supposedly drove.

I'm even more convinced that either Roddy deliberately didn't begin recording until a trap was in place, or that as one of the attorneys for AA's family has suggested, his video has been edited, as in, parts of it deleted. The fact GM lied about locations and sequence strengthens that suspicion

Given the amount of time that elapsed from Buford to the end, and the location/ direction GM's truck was pointing in, I also really wonder if another person and vehicle was involved, specifically, on Holmes, forcing AA to turn back again, this time while on Holmes, towards Satilla.

Wondering that makes me curious about where Perez went after he drove into surveillance camera sight one minute before AA appears on the video. And then drove past his house, only to appear again -twice, the second time on Jones, shortly after LE arrived on the scene, darting from there into his driveway.

 

[MsBetsy]

I hoped to request a link but it appears I won't be getting it. AA is stated in multiple MSM reports to have lived approximately 2 miles from the scene of his murder in Satilla Shores not 11.2. Here is just one. Glad I could help clear that up for any confused by the inaccurate information stated in the quoted post.

Ahmaud Arbery video: William Bryan under investigation; #IRunWithMaud

Weren't there also two women from the neighborhood who said they had seen Arbery jog there before?

 

[firebird]

Do you have a link to his mental health records? Looks like all you did was copy/ paste from DA Barnhill's letter to the police department.

I saw mental heath issues mentioned in something written by the da or le previously. I think it was written by a woman but don’t remember exactly who for sure.

I also noticed that the autopsy mentions hashimotos, which can have mental health issues as a symptom. Not saying that’s necessarily the case here. Just something I noticed.

 

[watergirl62]

I saw mental heath issues mentioned in something written by the da or le previously. I think it was written by a woman but don’t remember exactly who for sure.

I also noticed that the autopsy mentions hashimotos, which can have mental health issues as a symptom. Not saying that’s necessarily the case here. Just something I noticed.

The mental health issues associated with Hashimoto's are depression and memory lapses.

Hashimoto's Disease | NIDDK

 

[firebird]

The mental health issues associated with Hashimoto's are depression and memory lapses.

Hashimoto's Disease | NIDDK

This says that the mental issues can be far broader than that.
Psychological symptoms and thyroid disorders

 

[Hope4More]

Where Ahmaud Arbery Ran, Neighbors Cast Wary Eyes

 

[MsBetsy]

I saw mental heath issues mentioned in something written by the da or le previously. I think it was written by a woman but don’t remember exactly who for sure.

I also noticed that the autopsy mentions hashimotos, which can have mental health issues as a symptom. Not saying that’s necessarily the case here. Just something I noticed.

Barnhill mentioned it in his letter to attempt to explain the reason Arbery responded aggressively after being chased by men with guns.

It was a ridiculous statement, since there is no correlation between mental health disorders and violence.

Again, it seems to me that Barnhill was just looking for excuses rather than looking into what really happened.

It's amazing that both Barnhill and the GBI director found probable cause so quickly in this case but from opposite perspectives.

Imo

 

[watergirl62]

This says that the mental issues can be far broader than that.
Psychological symptoms and thyroid disorders

Now you are linking symptoms of all thyroid disorders. Reaching much?

Anxiety is a symptom of hyperthyroidism, not Hashimotos.

 

[tlcya]

Weren't there also two women from the neighborhood who said they had seen Arbery jog there before?

There were indeed. It seems this was a regular part of Ahmaud's normal daily (or evening) runs. At least on Satilla Shores woman, who did not provide her last name but was called Nancy said she was accustomed to seeing him on his runs.

 

[Boxer]

That exact moment shows me that AA did not believe the occupants of the vehicles were going to shoot. By that time there had already been ample opportunity to fire a shot and AA could surely see GM in the back of the truck on the phone. He knew they weren’t “hunting” him, he wasn’t dodging bullets and running for his life - he was running to avoid being detained. The decision to charge at the man holding a shotgun was not his only option, it was in fact his worst available option and a very, very bad decision.

AA was to feel he would not be shot because ample time had elapsed for them to already have shot him? More likely by running and doubling back he was never a clear shot.

What I see now from the synced videos is Travis getting into shooting position at the right front of the truck. MOO and leveling the barrel at Arbery.

MOO this community worked themselves into thinking Arbery was their neighborhood thief -- all of which are rumored thefts except for Travis who reported he had a gun stolen.

They didn't see the crime, and they were told of no crime beyond trespass, which does not support citizens arrest action.
So as peer citizens of Arbery they armed themselves and went after him, attempting to detain him.
When AA evaded them two times on the third time the son who obviously could not make AA stop physically, got out of his truck and attempted to use the threat his shotgun to make Arbery stop. That is the assault.

O.C.G.A. 16-5-20 (2010)
16-5-20. Simple assault:

(a) A person commits the offense of simple assault when he or she either:

(1) Attempts to commit a violent injury to the person of another; or
(2) Commits an act which places another in reasonable apprehension of immediately receiving a violent injury.

2010 Georgia Code :: TITLE 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES :: CHAPTER 5 - CRIMES AGAINST THE PERSON :: ARTICLE 2 - ASSAULT AND BATTERY :: § 16-5-20 - Simple assault

The elements of this crime are falling into place.
The McMs had pre-judged Arbery as a neighborhood thief, and acted as if they had police authority which they did not.

Some one here pointed out that the police do make wrongful arrests, ut they have the express granted authority to arrest and have the legality of that arrest reviewed after the fact. Citizens do not. It has to be valid at the time.
That is why citizens making arrests must witness the felony crime or have immediate knowledge of it.

The are suspicious citizens trying to make another citizen submit to them by force without any authority.

 

[Boxer]

As you noted, there were two occupants of the truck. Either of these two individuals could make a fully independent decision to shoot. They had no obligation to reach a consensus before shooting

It is hard to fire a weapon while driving a vehicle. This is especially so when the weapon is a shotgun.

Thus, AA had no idea of whether the individual holding the shotgun was not inclined to shoot him- or had simply been unable to shoot him because he was driving the truck.

What AA did know is that he repeatedly tried to get away from the two assailants. This is very evident from the video and from the calls the men made ("He's running down the road!")- not, "He's running towards us".

Heck, the lowly police dispatcher was the most capable individual in the Brunswick PD:
Dimwit: - "We are chasing him now!!" (paraphrase)
Dispatch: - "Is all he did was enter the property and left?" Translation: WTF? Her hint to dimwit: You might want to think twice about what you are doing... .

You are so right. She asked the crucial questions. She sent the patrol cars immediately.

 

[Cryptic]

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