GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former PD and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 #2

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And, no, I've never "jogged" in a neighborhood miles away from where I live, much less enter an empty home under-construction home there on multiple occasions. If I saw someone doing that in my neighborhood, it would be a giant red flag. I'd be very concerned, and I'd likely discuss it with other neighbors and call the police. That's not normal behavior. jmo
Finally, we have some common ground!

Like you, I have never entered a home under construction and have never even thought about doing so.

Apparently unlike you, I have children who routinely jog / run through neighborhoods where they don't live as their Cross Country teams runs from their school. They run through very wealthy and working class areas. Nobody has ever deemed they "don't belong" and conducted surveillance on them etc.

Like you, I view trespass entry into a home under construction strange and would call police. Heck, I have reported young men afoot and loitering in an alley after a rash of bicycle / lawn tool thefts.

And now, the big question.....

Q. Would I load one of my weapons, get in a car, chase after, and repeatedly try to corner a trespasser who was obviously leaving the area?
A. Absolutely not.
 
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There were indeed. It seems this was a regular part of Ahmaud's normal daily (or evening) runs. At least on Satilla Shores woman, who did not provide her last name but was called Nancy said she was accustomed to seeing him on his runs.


English first called LE about a black man on his property, at night, in October 2019. From the NYT article linked again below:

"Beginning in October (2019), residents called 911 at least 86 times, reporting suspicious people, suspicious vehicles, and numerous incidents of possible trespassing."

The black man (or men if not the same individual) seen on English's cameras appeared there at night, never during the day. But, English had sent LE videos and a description of the "trespasser" in fall 2019, and both videos and description had been posted on the neighborhood's FB page.

And, police officer Robert Lee Rash was actively canvassing the neighborhood, asking residents if they had seen anyone who matched the description English provided. According to a report written by Robert Lee Rash on February 11, 2020, no resident reported having seen anyone matching the description.

All of which suggests, imo, that if AA jogged through Satilla Shores between late October 2019 and the day he was killed, it almost certainly was at night.

I've wondered if the fact AA chose to jog during the day on Feb 23 had to do with the night of February 11. Given how few roads there are in the neighborhood, the extent of the commotion after TM just happened to see AA (assuming it was AA; imo it was), and that LE arrived within a few minutes of being called by TM, it's difficult to believe AA wasn't aware that something must have happened over near where he had just been, and perhaps the neighborhood wasn't as safe at night as he had assumed.

Where Ahmaud Arbery Ran, Neighbors Cast Wary Eyes
 
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Dbm
 
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Sure! Here is the exact moment showing our friend AA;s feet turn left when he reaches the front of the truck in order to attack TM.

https://i.imgur.com/P35D0hZ.jpg

Hmmm. And, before the "exact" moment above occurred, one would see that an armed white man has already moved himself in front of that truck to confront an unarmed black man. I more suspect that an unarmed Arbery was moving to grab that weapon that he found pointed needlessly at him when he got to the front of the truck. It was actually he who was under threat of life. If the weapon were pointed at me, I'd sure as hell grab it to swing it away from me too.
 
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Imo, If he wanted to avoid him, he wouldn't have turned right into him on purpose.

And, no, I've never "jogged" in a neighborhood miles away from where I live, much less enter an empty home under-construction home there on multiple occasions. If I saw someone doing that in my neighborhood, it would be a giant red flag. I'd be very concerned, and I'd likely discuss it with other neighbors and call the police. That's not normal behavior. jmo

Well, yes, it does qualify as "miles", the plural, just barely: about 2 miles from where he lived, hardly a surprising or suspicious distance for someone to jog.
 
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Oh yeah at least 11.2 miles away in a rich neighborhood at 1 pm with another 11.2 miles (at least) to go back home with cargo shorts and no water with a highlight of stopping in on a house in construction to look at the architecture. Sure that it is...that's the ticket! LOL!!

The New York Times reports that AA lived two miles away- not eleven. Two women in the neighborhood have reported that they saw him jogging there before.
Where Ahmaud Arbery Ran, Neighbors Cast Wary Eyes

Rich area? If the area was wealthy, then Mc Michael senior at least would probably not be living there as a city retiree. Likewise, the New York Times interviewed a truck driver living there. Truck drivers are not usually associated with wealth.
 
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I am in shock reading this thread. We have the two people being charged with the crime labeled as a victim! Websleuths has a long reputation for no victim blaming. I guess when it comes into two white men running down an unarmed black man it changes. The owner of the home states nothing was stolen. Three people chased an unarmed man down, one was standing in the back of a truck holding a rifle. Ok this is illegal. At this point they are wrong. If three men are chasing you for no reason do you stop? Heck no! You are in fear of your life. He was shot three times!! This thread is blaming AA. Wow just wow I have never seen this happen here.


Thank you for conveying my thoughts into words, this thread and some of the comments are leaving me stunned. I'm glad I'm from the UK and this kind of thing couldn't happen, it's crazy to see the victim being held somehow responsible in this matter.

MOO
 
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Thank you for conveying my thoughts into words, this thread and some of the comments are leaving me stunned. I'm glad I'm from the UK and this kind of thing couldn't happen, it's crazy to see the victim being held somehow responsible in this matter.

MOO

List of 96 'racist deaths' issued. (In the UK).

Such or similar things happen everywhere, including in the UK. When it comes to civilian on civilian violent deaths, what does make the US unique is the sheer, staggering volume of death/murder by gun.
 
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Well, yes, it does qualify as "miles", the plural, just barely: about 2 miles from where he lived, hardly a surprising or suspicious distance for someone to jog.
Do you have his address?
 
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Barnhill mentioned it in his letter to attempt to explain the reason Arbery responded aggressively after being chased by men with guns.

It was a ridiculous statement, since there is no correlation between mental health disorders and violence.

Again, it seems to me that Barnhill was just looking for excuses rather than looking into what really happened.

It's amazing that both Barnhill and the GBI director found probable cause so quickly in this case but from opposite perspectives.

Imo
Yes. Barnhill was biased as well. Is there any reason other than to characterize Arbery as a criminal by association to cite that he has a cousin in prison.
Arbery also has a cousin in the NFL.
 
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The New York Times reports that AA lived two miles away- not eleven. Two women in the neighborhood have reported that they saw him jogging there before.
Where Ahmaud Arbery Ran, Neighbors Cast Wary Eyes

Rich area? If the area was wealthy, then Mc Michael senior at least would probably not be living there as a city retiree. Likewise, the New York Times interviewed a truck driver living there. Truck drivers are not usually associated with wealth.
That’s behind a paywall for me. Plus..nyt, so.
 
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List of 96 'racist deaths' issued. (In the UK).

Such or similar things happen everywhere, including in the UK. When it comes to civilian on civilian violent deaths, what does make the US unique is the sheer, staggering volume of death/murder by gun.


There is racism everywhere.

My shock comes more from the fact that there is a mentality that it's acceptable to chase after a man and point a loaded weapon at him because you think he has committed at most trespassing.

Also other comments from another poster about how it was the McMichaels right to have their guns on them and so on. I just don't understand the culture of it.

What you wouldn't see here in the UK is a person seeing someone committing a crime such as trespassing and thinking 'hey let me grab my knife/gun and chase after this person until the police arrive'.

I know this isn't all people in America and I'm referring to the arrested individuals and similar minded people who I believe think their 'right' to protect their property can come at any cost.

Wasn't even their property.

MOO
 
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Yes. Barnhill was biased as well. Is there any reason other than to characterize Arbery as a criminal by association to cite that he has a cousin in prison.
Arbery also has a cousin in the NFL.

Second cousin. But I can see why you thought cousin, 'cause "headline"

Lions' Walker fondly remembers cousin Arbery

From the link:

Walker said he has known Arbery almost his entire life. His second cousin was a year older, played with him at Brunswick High School, always made him laugh after football games and practices, and "was slow as molasses, but he would hit you" on the football field.
 
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The New York Times reports that AA lived two miles away- not eleven. Two women in the neighborhood have reported that they saw him jogging there before.
Where Ahmaud Arbery Ran, Neighbors Cast Wary Eyes

Rich area? If the area was wealthy, then Mc Michael senior at least would probably not be living there as a city retiree. Likewise, the New York Times interviewed a truck driver living there. Truck drivers are not usually associated with wealth.

Agreed, the area is not one I would refer to as wealthy. Working or upper middle class, with owned (or encumbered by mortgage) single family residences.
 
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Do you have his address?
Although it will definitely be a part of the court case. I doubt that victims parent's addresses should be published.
 
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GM didn’t have the power to arrest for 8 years while employed by the DA’s office and again more recently in 2019 until he retired. Specifically because he didn’t complete the retired training and wasn’t qualified to do so and yet the DA’s office didn’t think his botched citizen’s arrest and killing of an unarmed young man warranted an arrest. I don’t care what his health and or family issues were he clearly doesn’t think rules apply to him. Then the DA who didn’t pursue this writes a CYO letter with no actual proof of the claims within the letter and some people don’t question that at all but question everything about the victim from the clothes he wore to his mental health.
 
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Hmmm. And, before the "exact" moment above occurred, one would see that an armed white man has already moved himself in front of that truck to confront an unarmed black man. I more suspect that an unarmed Arbery was moving to grab that weapon that he found pointed needlessly at him when he got to the front of the truck. It was actually he who was under threat of life. If the weapon were pointed at me, I'd sure as hell grab it to swing it away from me too.

It's purely speculation that anyone ever pointed a gun at AA.
 
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