GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former PD and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 #2

[branmuffin]

Interesting that you chose to "freeze" instead of "flight or fight". I mean, what could you do with a gun in your ribs? It's very possible that you and your friend could have easily been shot had you tried to defend yourself. Would have been impossible for a couple of young ladies Luke yourselves to try and overpower a man with his gun in your ribs.

And fleeing? This man didn't shoot you dead because you didn't have any money so its highly unlikely that he was a murderer, just wanted money.
So there is probably little chance he would just kill you because you both ran.
MOO

The reason I mention that little episode in my past is because it perfectly illustrates that carrying your own weapon for 'protection' does diddly-squat if you never consider you could be victim zero. It's all very well and good for someone to say they'd neutralize a threat but when you're the 'first' victim it becomes academic.

 

[branmuffin]

Facebook has a new self emoji, I think it was mentioned that she posted on snap chat.
So it's very possible snap chat could have to same new self emoji.

So if you make your emoji a happy, smiling person, then I think that emoji shows up no matter what your post is about.

If you were wishing your Freind to get well because they were I'll, it would still show a character of your emoji....smiling.
It's called "Bitmoji".

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bitstrips.imoji&hl=en_US

Hmmmm.

 

[Hope4More]

Read the Guardian article about LE trying to taze AA. Irony abounds, given what was going on in the PD of the officers (groundlessly) suspecting AA of drug use.

Adding: AA's arms were extended out all the way on each side when that cop tried to taze him, ffs. The cop on tape, about what he saw to "justify" tazing him: "he had a wallet in his pocket. And a big coat on. And he wasn't moving fast enough."

Police tried to tase Ahmaud Arbery in 2017 incident, video shows | Ahmaud Arbery | The Guardian

 

[MikeF]

If I were jogging in a neighborhood and a truck started following me, I would not be stopping. I would try to go somewhere else.
If two trucks started following me, I would definitely try to lose them, and I would be afraid.
If two trucks of armed men were to follow me I would run for my life.
If after all of that, they were to block me in I would fight for my life.
To me, that's what Ahmaud did, but he lost.

TA pulled that trigger at least 3 times. That's not an accident.
It does not matter if he stole anything or not. He was unarmed, chased by two vehicles with armed men in them, prevented from leaving, and he was killed.

Did they think he was going to attack them with his T-shirt?

I'm not sure if it was Arbery's best friend or maybe a relative that said he was a very fast runner. You can clearly see he's running at the average pace I see joggers doing every day. Quite possibly he thought if he bolted off at top speed he'd be shot in the back. So, he kept his pace and probably hoped to pass by. Of course he also could have figured they hop in the truck and still follow but it's also possible he heard G McMichael on the phone and hoped LE was on their way.

 

[MikeF]

Yankees? You don't like t


Hmmm, maybe. In the video I clearly hear him chamber a round as he approaches the scene.

I bet he isn't sleeping much these days. That 'press conference in 3,2,1... never mind' stunt was certainly curious.

On this point, my opinion is what you hear is his him unfastening his seatbelt because (in the yt raw video that's 43/44 seconds) at 16 seconds you hear the click, at 19 you hear what sounds like the seat belt retracting.

 

[Nadi]

The sister of the man charged with gunning down Ahmaud Arbery said she posted pictures of the unarmed black jogger’s dead body online because she is “a true-crime fan,” according to a new report.

Lindsay McMichael, 30, admitted posting an unedited image of a blood-soaked Arbery lying on the street in Brunswick, Georgia, on Snapchat, but said she meant no harm, the Sun reported Monday.

“I had no nefarious or malicious intent when I posted that picture,” she told the outlet. “The thing is I’m a huge fan of true crime — I listen to four or five podcasts a week — I’m constantly watching that sort of thing.”

“It was more of a, ‘Holy s–t, I can’t believe this has happened,'” she added. “It was absolutely poor judgment.”

However, a lawyer for Arbery’s family called the image “deeply disturbing.”

“The picture Lindsay McMichael posted was very disturbing and very disturbing to the family,” attorney S. Lee Merritt told the Sun. “It actually fits the pattern of the McMichael family engaging in a weird, violent form of voyeurism.”

https://nypost.com/2020/05/18/siste...utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=SocialFlow

While what she did isn’t illegal, I know where it ranks on my personal morality scale compared to misdemeanour trespassing. Yet there will always be those that will excuse or defend her behaviour but not extend the same courtesy to the Victim.

 

[MikeF]

In reality, if he was using his car to chase and/or cut-off Mr. Arbery, he used the car as a weapon. If he had a gun, then, I think we will soon see him arrested as well.

He needs a new lawyer 'cause his old one hasn't really been effective.

I've followed quite a few events like this and I swear, I've never seen a more incompetent interview in all my years. I mean, I think Roddy played a strong point in this, but my goodness, I was screaming at my TV for him to get an actual defense attorney.

 

[kaen]

Personnel records obtained by the I-TEAM show that Glynn County police officer who enlisted a retired district attorney investigator help with unwanted visitors in the Satilla Shores neighborhood -- where Ahmaud Arbery was later shot and killed -- was reprimanded for his involvement in a previous highly-criticized case handled by Glynn County Police Department.

Officer Robert Rash was disciplined in 2018 for failing to arrest a fellow officer who he and other officers saw assault his estranged wife, and then try to break into her home, personnel records show.
Fellow officer, Lt. Robert “Corry” Sasser" also swung and slapped at the officers in the incident was captured on a body camera.

Officers on the scene, including Rash, failed to arrest Sasser for what then-police Chief John Powell later called “clear criminal violations."
“The oath that each officer on the scene and who work at this department has taken to uphold the laws of the United States and the state of Georgia does not have a caveat that states, unless the offender is a law enforcement officer,” wrote Powell.

The letter of reprimand also stated that officers were laughing and joking when the situation de-escalated and officers referred to Sasser as a lieutenant during the domestic violence call.

Sasser later killed his estranged wife, her male friend and himself.
[URL="https://www.news4jax.com/news/georgia/2020/05/18/outside-police-chief-questions-glynn-county-officer-asking-homeowner-to-report-trespasser-to-neighbor/"]Glynn County officer who asked homeowner to report trespasser to neighbor was disciplined before[/URL]

Why is this not surprising? It is very clear that there is a club that the ex-wife and Mr. Arbery don't belong to. As police officers, aren't they supposed to protect and serve the public? The ex-wife wound up dead. The older accused killer couldn't arrest anyone for years but by virtue of being an ex-cop was set upon Mr. Arbery by Officer Rash. Uggghhhhh.

 

[oviedo]

While what she did isn’t illegal, I know where it ranks on my personal morality scale compared to misdemeanour trespassing. Yet there will always be those that will excuse or defend her behaviour but not extend the same courtesy to the Victim.

Truly speaks to her character IMO (or lack thereof) it’s just despicable reprehensible etc who does that? Poor man was likely dying and she was there snapping pictures and posting - was she part of the chase too?
Ugh
JMO

 

[kaen]

The sister of the man charged with gunning down Ahmaud Arbery said she posted pictures of the unarmed black jogger’s dead body online because she is “a true-crime fan,” according to a new report.

Lindsay McMichael, 30, admitted posting an unedited image of a blood-soaked Arbery lying on the street in Brunswick, Georgia, on Snapchat, but said she meant no harm, [URL='https://www.the-sun.com/news/837071/sister-ahmaud-arbery-killer-picture-dead-body-snapchat/']the Sun reported Monday.

“I had no nefarious or malicious intent when I posted that picture,” she told the outlet. “The thing is I’m a huge fan of true crime — I listen to four or five podcasts a week — I’m constantly watching that sort of thing.”

“It was more of a, ‘Holy s–t, I can’t believe this has happened,'” she added. “It was absolutely poor judgment.”

However, a lawyer for Arbery’s family called the image “deeply disturbing.”

“The picture Lindsay McMichael posted was very disturbing and very disturbing to the family,” attorney S. Lee Merritt told the Sun. “It actually fits the pattern of the McMichael family engaging in a weird, violent form of voyeurism.”

https://nypost.com/2020/05/18/sister-of-ahmaud-arbery-killer-posted-picture-of-his-body-to-snapchat/?utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=SocialFlow[/URL]

If I posted something that disturbing to a chat or FB that had a smiling emoji on it and it was a mistake, I would take it down right away. Something is off in her decision-making. Let me post a picture of a person that my brother just shot and killed is bizarre. IMO, it appears like a trophy photo that people who shoot deer take. Maybe not what she meant but, hey, if her brother was dead on the side of the road, I think she would be horrified if his picture was taken and posted to SM.

 

[Matic]

Read the Guardian article about LE trying to taze AA. Irony abounds, given what was going on in the PD of the officers (groundlessly) suspecting AA of drug use.

Adding: AA's arms were extended out all the way on each side when that cop tried to taze him, ffs. The cop on tape, about what he saw to "justify" tazing him: "he had a wallet in his pocket. And a big coat on. And he wasn't moving fast enough."

Police tried to tase Ahmaud Arbery in 2017 incident, video shows | Ahmaud Arbery | The Guardian

So he was on probation at the time of this vid and they didn't contact his probation officer? But he violated his probation in 2018 and was arrested for shoplifting? I don't get this.
Driving with no licence or proof of insurance is not a violation of your probation? It would have been a ticket, no?

Shoplifting would be a violation of probation for sure.

When he was arrested in 2018 for shoplifting, did they extend his probation then? So it's possible that he could of been on probation in Feb 2020 maybe?

 

[Vern]

So he was on probation at the time of this vid and they didn't contact his probation officer? But he violated his probation in 2018 and was arrested for shoplifting? I don't get this.
Driving with no licence or proof of insurance is not a violation of your probation? It would have been a ticket, no?

Shoplifting would be a violation of probation for sure.

When he was arrested in 2018 for shoplifting, did they extend his probation then? So it's possible that he could of been on probation in Feb 2020 maybe?

All of which has zero to do with the current case of a young man who was chased down and killed by the McMs.

 

[Matic]

All of which has zero to do with the current case of a young man who was chased down and killed by the McMs.

Then why even post the video?

 

[kaen]

Then why even post the video?

Because it is The Guardian. And, like many outlets (good and bad) they are looking for a story. JMHO.

 

[firebird]

I'm not sure if it was Arbery's best friend or maybe a relative that said he was a very fast runner. You can clearly see he's running at the average pace I see joggers doing every day. Quite possibly he thought if he bolted off at top speed he'd be shot in the back. So, he kept his pace and probably hoped to pass by. Of course he also could have figured they hop in the truck and still follow but it's also possible he heard G McMichael on the phone and hoped LE was on their way.

It was his second cousin, and he said the opposite.

"Walker said his cousin “was slow as molasses, but he would hit you” on the field."

'He was a beautiful soul': Lions' Walker on killing of cousin Ahmaud Arbery

 

[firebird]

jmo, but I don't see that taser video being "helpful" to the prosecution at all.

 

[Gardenista]

Read the Guardian article about LE trying to taze AA. Irony abounds, given what was going on in the PD of the officers (groundlessly) suspecting AA of drug use.

Adding: AA's arms were extended out all the way on each side when that cop tried to taze him, ffs. The cop on tape, about what he saw to "justify" tazing him: "he had a wallet in his pocket. And a big coat on. And he wasn't moving fast enough."

Police tried to tase Ahmaud Arbery in 2017 incident, video shows | Ahmaud Arbery | The Guardian

WOW. I will never understand people being so aggressive towards LE.

 

[Matic]

Because it is The Guardian. And, like many outlets (good and bad) they are looking for a story. JMHO.

That had absolutely zero to do with why I asked that question. @Vern said my questions about his probation violations had zero to do with the current case.

His past has been brought up several times.
His gun charge/fleeing for which he got probation for. Again, been brought up several times by many posters.

His shoplifting charge in 2018. Brought up and discussed by many, several times.

And now the tazing/non tazing event featuring body cam footage. And the questions I posed as to whether or not he could have still been on probation. But that's not allowed to be talked about Per another member. Ok.

Your answer doesn't even make sense. I never asked about the validity of "The Gaurdian".

So I'll ask again.
Is it possible that AA could have been on probation from the 2018 shoplifting charge?

 

[Falling Down]

That had absolutely zero to do with why I asked that question. @Vern said my questions about his probation violations had zero to do with the current case.

His past has been brought up several times.
His gun charge/fleeing for which he got probation for. Again, been brought up several times by many posters.

His shoplifting charge in 2018. Brought up and discussed by many, several times.

And now the tazing/non tazing event featuring body cam footage. And the questions I posed as to whether or not he could have still been on probation. But that's not allowed to be talked about Per another member. Ok.

Your answer doesn't even make sense. I never asked about the validity of "The Gaurdian".

So I'll ask again.
Is it possible that AA could have been on probation from the 2018 shoplifting charge?

IMO, no.

I've never heard of probation, even for a lower-level felony, lasting longer than maybe 18 months.

Shoplifting, maybe 6 months.

JMO

 

[Vern]

That had absolutely zero to do with why I asked that question. @Vern said my questions about his probation violations had zero to do with the current case.

His past has been brought up several times.
His gun charge/fleeing for which he got probation for. Again, been brought up several times by many posters.

His shoplifting charge in 2018. Brought up and discussed by many, several times.

And now the tazing/non tazing event featuring body cam footage. And the questions I posed as to whether or not he could have still been on probation. But that's not allowed to be talked about Per another member. Ok.

Your answer doesn't even make sense. I never asked about the validity of "The Gaurdian".

So I'll ask again.
Is it possible that AA could have been on probation from the 2018 shoplifting charge?

It has been brought up several times; usually by those attempting to justify his killing by the McMs.

IMO, how about we concentrate on the past of those accused murders? Failed at policing, lost powers of arrest, ignored and did not chase down the many white subjects also seen trespassing etc etc etc ...

You see, it is their ultimate decisions and actions that will be on trial.

You seem to be content trialling the past of the victim. Whose past has zero to do with the events of the day in question.