GUILTY GA - Eight family members brutally murdered in Brunswick home, 29 Aug 2009

[oceanblueeyes]

do you know how big the trailer is? and has there been any evidence released of how many bedrooms and where the bodies were found

seems LE is keeping this close to there chest, I have so far only seen one picture of the trailer, and from that I could not tell where it was in relation to the next trailer

They were the same way before they tried the Edenfields for murdering and raping Christopher Barrios. I think they are trying to make sure that Jr. gets a fair trial. Even the defense attorney has wanted a lid put on this case.

From the photo I have seen Joe I would make a guesstimate that the home was made sometime in the 70s or maybe early 80s (it has a lot of age on it) and is a 12' or maybe 14' wide by 60 ft or 64ft long, I would think it had two bedrooms on the opposite end from of where the living room, dining area and kitchen was. The hallway would lead off from the living room going to the bedrooms and bathroom.

I am just guessing but it seems to be the typical cheap metal siding small single wide sold back then and when I had my real estate company I sold new mobile home and regular site built homes too but I took a lot of these old trailers in on trade and sold them to hunters that had deer hunting camps.

No they have not revealed where all the victims were found. I imagine most of them were sleeping soundly when it happened and those that may have awaked were trapped and couldn't get past him to run for the entrance door. They probably tried to plead with him not to hurt them or others too. Trying to talk some sense into him.

12 feet is a very narrow space especially with furniture sitting here and there in the way. I think he hemmed them up and they had no weapon. It has been said that he used either a crow bar, tire iron and maybe the butt of a shotgun too. They had nothing to defend themselves with. They knew if they rushed in close to him he could kill them with one blow to the head imo.

This is one of the most horrific crimes I have read about in many years.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

the concern for Michael also raises a few questions for me, by telling LE that at least one is still alive Guy ensured that the police and ambulances would rush even quicker to the scene and maybe save Michael, we do not yet know if Michael was able to communicate, if he was he could identify Guy as the killer, so why did Guy not ensure Michael was dead, he was able if LE is to be believed to kill all the others and ensure they were dead, but then he not only lets Michael live but is trying hard to help save him, seems a bit incongruos to me

he was an idiot worrying about the gun and drugs when all this had happened, but that to me points more towards his innocence, he was not concerned with murder charges, but drugs and weapons charges

I need to hear alot more solid evidence before I am convinced that 1 man could do all this and then be the one who returns to the scene to find the victims, why not stay away and let others find them

I think that was an unexpected surprise to Jr. IMO, after he had thought he had killed everyone of them he left the scene shortly afterward. Probably to discard his clothing and clean up.

Then he is going to set it up that he comes home and just finds them all there. But when he went back inside the home and the maintenance man was standing right out in front of the trailer and that is when Jr. realized that Michael had dragged himself toward the door imo and was still breathing. I think Jr. knew Michael was beyond help and could not speak so he wasnt worried about what Michael would say imo. He then had to tell them that Michael was breathing as if he was trying to save him because he knew the EMTs were on the way and would find him anyway.

Strange though he never checks anyone else because if he had then he would have known about the 3 year old was also alive but then again he knew how badly they both were severely hurt.

It is a miracle that the little boy lived through all the trauma he suffered.

One of the things that convinced me that he is the one who did this unbelievable crime is no one that really had just come upon the house of horrors unexpectedly could have the wherewithal to step over his family members bloody and ravaged bodies to make sure they took a shotgun out of the home. The maintenance man who wasnt even kin to these people couldn't go inside but Jr. had no problem. Imo, he had already seen what was in that house before he left the first time after killing them.

IMO

 

[GregH]

Very very interesting - Agatha Christie could have taken advice from you.

I'll do my best with the written transcript. I forget where I got it. It's been 9 months and much of this was more completely covered then and now has been taken down by the papers and news agencies where I got it.

Greg ,Can you print copy and scan an image and post that?

Okay I was wondering if the park manager's tape will get tossed from court on the grounds the 911 dispatcher knows her personaly and there could be contaminated perspective from conversations thay may have taken place since the murders and that call. The dispatch works for the sheriff and the park manager is a witness to the time of discovery.

 

[GregH]

Dispatcher: 911, where is your emergency?

Orlinski: New Hope Plantation, Highway 17 North

Dispatcher: Ok, by New Hope. What’s going on maam?

Orlinski: There’s a kid, Guy just came home. His whole family’s dead. He’s kind of hysterical. I can’t
understand. I haven’t gone over there yet.

Dispatcher: Ok, tell me what the address is. Try to get that address for me.

Orlinski: 147, it’s around to the back side.

Dispatcher: 147 New Hope Plantation.

Orlinski: Yes, maam.

Dispatcher: What’s your name, ma’am?

Orlinski: Margaret Orlinsky. (I live in 145). He’s just screaming. (Inaudible) My dogs will bite. He’s got
a dog out there, too, on the porce, that may bite. I’m going to have to try to contain him.

Dispatcher: OK, what’s your name again.

Orlinski: Orlinski. O-R-LIN-SKI. This is guy. I don’t know what his last name is. He said his dad [Guy
Heinz Sr.] is dead. Rusty’s (Toler) dead. He said everybody’s dead. I know it’s a house full of people that
live there.

Dispatcher: Will you go ahead and call us back once you get everything squared away. Call us back.
(Inaudible) 147 New Hope Plantation. OK. What’s his name?

Orlinski: He’s freaking out. It’s guy.

Dispatcher: Guy. What’s his last name?

Orlinski: Guy what’s your last name. What’s your last name, honey. Here talk with….

Heinze: Hello. I just got home. My whole family’s dead.

Disptacher: OK, tell me what’s going on sir. What.

Heinze: I just got home. (Inaudible) I got home just now and everybody’s dead. I went in. My dad’s dead.
My uncle’s dead.

Dispatcher: How many people are there?

Heinze: (Inaudible) My whole family’s dead. It looks like they’ve been beat to death. I don’t know, man.


Dispatcher: OK, you’re 147 New Hope Plantation. Correct?

Heinze: (Inaudible) I mean, I don’t know what to do, man

Dispatcher: OK. Take a deep breath. They got them coming for you. Just stay on the line. They’re
coming for you.

Heinze: My family’s dead.

Dispatcher: How many people are they? Your dad, who else is there?

Heinze: My dad, my mom, my uncle, my cousin.

Dispatcher: Your cousin?

Heinze: Yeah.

Dispatcher: Lot number 147 right.

Heinze: Yes, ma’am. I don’t know what to do.

Dispatcher: Take a deep breath. I’m going to stay on the line with you until they get there, OK? Don’t
touch anything. OK, sir?

Heinze: What?

Dispatcher: Don’t touch anything. Stay away from the residence. OK?

 

[GregH]

Transcript Part 2
einze: (Inaudible) My whole family’s dead. My dad’s dead. (Inaudible)

Dispatcher: I know, they’re going to come. They’re on the way.

Heinze: What happened to my dad? (Inaudible)

Orlinski (talking about dog): They’re coming out here. (Inaudible) But don’t…put him in the car or
something. Don’t touch anything, guy.

Dispatcher: Don’t touch anything.

Orlinski: She just said don’t touch anything, Guy. Door knobs, or anything, other than what you’ve
already touched. (to dispatcher): He said they’re beaten to death. And I know there’s a baby, shoot,
there’s a little…I don’t if the baby was in there or not. (Inaudible)

Dispatcher: Where’s he at right now, ma’am?

Orlinski: He’s on the porch right now.

Dispatcher: He’s on the porch.


Orlinski: He said he didn’t give a [expletive] about the dog, but the dog, but the dog will..

Dispatcher: OK, there is a dog on the scene that will bite.

Orlinski: He may. He’s usually very gentle. He doesn’t like some people. (Inaudible)

Dispatcher: Is it OK if I stay on the line with you ma’am?

Orlinski: I’m trying to get dressed.

Mike: My name is Mike. I’m maintenance out there.

Dispatcher: OK. What’s going on Mike.

Mike: They guy who lives two doors down from me, his name is Guy Jr., I don’t know his last name. He
said his whole family’s dead in their trailer. I’m standing right here in front of the trailer. I’m afraid to go
in there.

Dispatcher: Yeah, no one should go in right now.

Mike: I called the manager. I called the manager. She’s supposed to be over here in a minute.

Dispatcher: We have everyone in route. We got fire units and police coming to you.

Mike: Tell them to hurry. They think Michael’s still alive.

Dispatcher: Someone’s still alive?

Mike: Yeah, the retarded boy. (to Heinze) Is Mike still breathing? I can’t go in there.

Dispatcher: (Inaudible) Which person?

Mike: He’s a young man. He’s got down syndrome.

Dispatcher: (to emergency responder) Do they want him to go in? They’re saying someone on scene is
still alive. The family, the family member Guy, is inside. (to Mike) I’m going to transfer you to my
supervisor. Just stay on the line.

Dispatcher supervisor: Sir, you’re at the New Hope Plantation, 147?

Mike: Yes, ma’am.

Supervisor: What exactly is going on? You said there’s a family in there and everybody’s dead.

Mike: Everybody except on person.

Supervisor: Who’s the one person?

Mike: (to Heinze) Is Michael still alive? (to dispatcher) Yeah, Michael’s alive and needs an ambulance.


Supervisor: How old is Michael and what happened to them?

Mike: Michael’s one of the family members and he’s got down syndrome. He’s, ah…

Heinze: He’s breathing. He needs help.

Mike: OK, Guy. Calm down, they’re on the way.

Supervisor: Ask him, ask him how does he need help. Where’s he hurting? Is he beat up? What’s going
on?

Mike: (to Heinze) Guy, where’s he hurting at. Is he beat up bad?

Heinze: (inaudible)

Mike: (to dispatcher) His face is smashed in.

Supervisor: So he’s got broken bones in his face?

Mike: Pardon me?

Supervisor: His face is smashed in.

Mike: Yeah. I’m not in the house. I won’t go in there.

Supervisor: Who did this?

Mike: I have no idea. I was sitting there watching TV and he come over screaming everbody in his house
is dead.

Supervisor: Where was he when he walked up and saw all this?

Mike: I didn’t see it.

Supervisor: I know that. The guy who you’re talking to. Who is he? What’s his name?

Mike: His name’s Guy. I don’t know…Guy, what’s your last name.

Heinze: (inaudible)

Mike: What’s your last name?

Supervisor: They’re already in route.

Mike: What’s your last name?

Heinze: Heinze.

Mike: Heinze.


Supevisor: How is he related to these people?

Mike: How are you related to Rusty and them?

Supervisor: (Inaudible)

Mike: It’s his dad’s half-brother.

Supervisor: Can he talk to me on the phone?

Mike: Yeah, here you want to talk to her on the phone? Don’t move him yet. He could be hurt bad.

Supervisor: Just tell him to leave him alone and talk to….

Heinze: Hello.

Supervisor: Hey sir. OK, where were…

Heinze: My whole family’s dead.

Supervisor: I know, calm down. We’ve already got…I know this is hard for you but you’re doing us
such a favor by helping us know information, OK. We’ve already got somebody, we’ve got police,
ambulance and fire.

Heinze: My cousin, I think Michael’s still, Michael’s breathing. He’s still alive.

Supervisor: Your brother Michael’s still breathing?

Heinze: He’s my cousin.

Supervisor: OK, your cousin. OK, who lives there? Who, like do you live there?

Heinze: Yeah (inaudible)

Supervisor: Did you just get home this morning?

Heinze: Yeah, I just got there.

 

[GregH]

Part 3
Supervisor: OK.When you came in the house, what did the house look like?

Heinze: It looks like a [expletive] murder scene.

Supervisor: I understand that. But did somebody tear up everything?

Heinze: (inaudible)

Supervisor: You have no idea who could have done this?

Heinze: I don’t know who did it.


Supervisor: Tell me about your cousin Michael. What’s going on with him right now?

Heinze: He’s breathing, but he’s having trouble breathing.

Supervisor: He’s having trouble breathing.

Heinze: Yeah. He’s in pain, man.

Supervisor: Can you tell how they were killed?

Heinze: I don’t know.

Supervisor: Are they beat up. Have they been shot?

Heinze: I don’t know. Michael’s breathing. He needs an ambulance.

Supervisor: They’re going to be there in just a second. Everybody’s already in route and somebody else
has dispatched them, OK? This is very important. You’re doing a good job helping us.

Heinze: I’ve got to call my brother. I have to call my brother.

Supervisor: OK, you need to stay on the phone with us. You can tell your brother in just a little bit.

Heinze: I’ve got to tell him my dad’s dead. His dad’s dead.

Supervisor: Alright, calm down because we’ve got to figure out what’s going on, OK? Can you go inside
and I want you to go next to your brother…

Heinze: I’ve done been inside. I been in there with Michael. He needs an ambulance.

Supervisor: Alright, I want you to go inside to Michael and tell me exactly, see if you can talk to him and
see if you can ask him where…

Heinze: He’s got downs syndrome. He can’t really talk. Michael…

Supervisor: Ask him, say where do you hurt?

Heinze: Where do you hurt, Michael? Michael, where do you hurt, man? Michael…

Supervisor: He can’t talk?

Heinze: (inaudible)

Supervisor: You can see his chest rising, though?

Heinze: Yes, yes.

Supervisor: OK, just calm down. We’ve got a squad that’s going to be there in just a minute. Put me
back on the phone with the other guy. I’m going to get…


Heinze: I got to call my brother.

Supervisor: OK, get on another phone and call your brother and let me talk to the guy I was talking to
first, OK?

Supervisor: Hello, sir?

Mike: Got to get this dog out of the way.

Supervisor: Sir.

Mike: You still there?

Supervisor: Yeah, I’m still here.

Mike: OK.

Supervisor: Has he touched anything. Has he gone in the house?

Mike: I haven’t no. He’s been in the house.

Supervisor: He’s been in the house.

Mike: I haven’t.

Supervisor: No, he has.

Mike: Guy has been.

Supervisor: I understand. How many people are there?

Mike: How many people are in there?

Heinze: My whole family’s dead.

Supervisor: I know, but how many is his whole family.

Mike: I’ve got to get a knife to cut this dog loose so they can get in.

Supervisor: To cut the dog loose? Is the officer there now?

Mike: Yes, there’s two of them.

Supervisor: OK, I can get off the phone, you go ahead and handle the dogs.

Mike: Pardon me.

Supervisor: I said you go ahead and get off the phone.


Mike: OK

Dispatcher: Alright. Bye, bye.

 

[Belinda]

I personally think that, if it was me, I would keep babbling "my whole family is dead" too. His reactions seem very natural and uncontrived to me. He is either one hell of a good actor or he was shocked right down to his toes. I am very interested to see what comes out in trial, because I have serious doubts about the validity of this prosecution. I may very well be eating crow after the trial but, at this point, I don't think he did it.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I personally think that, if it was me, I would keep babbling "my whole family is dead" too. His reactions seem very natural and uncontrived to me. He is either one hell of a good actor or he was shocked right down to his toes. I am very interested to see what comes out in trial, because I have serious doubts about the validity of this prosecution. I may very well be eating crow after the trial but, at this point, I don't think he did it.

To me it isn't about being right or wrong to begin with. We just state our own opinions here and at the end someone is going to be wrong. Just a normal happening when people have a difference of opinion.

When this case does come to trail it will be about what one human being can be capable of doing to so many innocent unsuspecting victims. It will once again show when family members are murdered in masses most of the time it is done by another family member.

Since I have seen these prosecutors handle cases before I am very confident that once again they will bring Jr. to justice in this case as well. The DA will have all of his ducks in a row and the facts will be hard hitting and many.

And imo he and his attorney already knows it and that is why he didn't ask for a speedy trial because jails in Georgia are better than going to a state prison, especially on death row. If he is convicted I have no doubt that is where he will be heading.

I think the motive was greed and exacerbated by being crazed out on illegal drugs. Or maybe I would like to think he was under the influence when he did this. Maybe he wasnt but if not I find that even more chilling. Whatever the reason he was determine to eradicate everyone that lived in that home and almost succeeded.

IMO

 

[joe jones]

I think that was an unexpected surprise to Jr. IMO, after he had thought he had killed everyone of them he left the scene shortly afterward. Probably to discard his clothing and clean up.

Then he is going to set it up that he comes home and just finds them all there. But when he went back inside the home and the maintenance man was standing right out in front of the trailer and that is when Jr. realized that Michael had dragged himself toward the door imo and was still breathing. I think Jr. knew Michael was beyond help and could not speak so he wasnt worried about what Michael would say imo. He then had to tell them that Michael was breathing as if he was trying to save him because he knew the EMTs were on the way and would find him anyway.

Strange though he never checks anyone else because if he had then he would have known about the 3 year old was also alive but then again he knew how badly they both were severely hurt.

It is a miracle that the little boy lived through all the trauma he suffered.

One of the things that convinced me that he is the one who did this unbelievable crime is no one that really had just come upon the house of horrors unexpectedly could have the wherewithal to step over his family members bloody and ravaged bodies to make sure they took a shotgun out of the home. The maintenance man who wasnt even kin to these people couldn't go inside but Jr. had no problem. Imo, he had already seen what was in that house before he left the first time after killing them.

IMO

the moving of the gun to me points to him not doing it than it does to him being the killer, he was worried about those charges not murder charges, so he tries to hide the crimes he has committed,

and as for him trying to save Michael, he does not know whether he could have been saved, even if he was beaten to a pulp with modern medicine he could have been saved, the 3 year old proves this, whoever killed them made sure as far as he/they could they were all dead, but did not take the time to ensure that they were positively dead, goes to a person who the family did not know imo, as even if one or more survived they could not identify them,

and as nobody else had been in the trailer Guy had no need to say Michael was alive, all he had to say when LE got there was I never looked too closely to see who was alive or dead, I just assumed they were all dead, who could refute this, but he made sure that LE knew Michael was alive, when it was in his best interests not to do so if he was the killer

I am not saying I don't think he didn't do it, I just think that LE better have some solid evidence to say he did do it,

they are keeping a tight lid on the evidence so far,

 

[oceanblueeyes]

the moving of the gun to me points to him not doing it than it does to him being the killer, he was worried about those charges not murder charges, so he tries to hide the crimes he has committed,

and as for him trying to save Michael, he does not know whether he could have been saved, even if he was beaten to a pulp with modern medicine he could have been saved, the 3 year old proves this, whoever killed them made sure as far as he/they could they were all dead, but did not take the time to ensure that they were positively dead, goes to a person who the family did not know imo, as even if one or more survived they could not identify them,

and as nobody else had been in the trailer Guy had no need to say Michael was alive, all he had to say when LE got there was I never looked too closely to see who was alive or dead, I just assumed they were all dead, who could refute this, but he made sure that LE knew Michael was alive, when it was in his best interests not to do so if he was the killer

I am not saying I don't think he didn't do it, I just think that LE better have some solid evidence to say he did do it,

they are keeping a tight lid on the evidence so far,

BBM

That is because the details and evidence is so horrific that if known it could prejudice Jr from getting a fair trial.

Well that is what message boards are intended for.......to exchange opinions which do not have to agree with anyone else's.

It shows me he had to have nerves of steel to come back inside that home and see this mass slaughter everywhere and have the wherewithal to think about himself only by removing the stolen gun. And we really have no clue why he really did remove the gun. The broken butt of a shotgun was found laying in the yard.

I don't think he could have refuted that he didn't see Michael if the EMTs found Michael right at the front door still breathing and if Jr went right by him going in and coming out of the home.

What was his purpose for going back into the home? Surely as a close family member he would rush to each one of their sides wouldn't he? Why did he even go back in anyway when told not to? Imo it was to get the weapon. A weapon that may eventually be tied to this case.

I have no doubt that DA does have a solid case. They would never go for the death penalty if they didn't have loads of evidence to prove their case imo.

I beg to differ. He had hunted game before. He knows when something has been mortally wounded. The little boy only lived because it was a miracle and I am sure he will never be the same again. A three year old with brain injuries couldn't tell what happened to them and Jr. knew it.

IMO

 

[joe jones]

BBM

That is because the details and evidence is so horrific that if known it could prejudice Jr from getting a fair trial.

Well that is what message boards are intended for.......to exchange opinions which do not have to agree with anyone else's.

It shows me he had to have nerves of steel to come back inside that home and see this mass slaughter everywhere and have the wherewithal to think about himself only by removing the stolen gun. And we really have no clue why he really did remove the gun. The broken butt of a shotgun was found laying in the yard.

I don't think he could have refuted that he didn't see Michael if the EMTs found Michael right at the front door still breathing and if Jr went right by him going in and coming out of the home.

What was his purpose for going back into the home? Surely as a close family member he would rush to each one of their sides wouldn't he? Why did he even go back in anyway when told not to? Imo it was to get the weapon. A weapon that may eventually be tied to this case.

I have no doubt that DA does have a solid case. They would never go for the death penalty if they didn't have loads of evidence to prove their case imo.

I beg to differ. He had hunted game before. He knows when something has been mortally wounded. The little boy only lived because it was a miracle and I am sure he will never be the same again. A three year old with brain injuries couldn't tell what happened to them and Jr. knew it.

IMO

if he knows what mortally wounded looks and sounds like then why not ensure Michael and the 3 year old were dead, and I don't think going for the DP shows they have good evidence, the DP would be expected in this case even with a limited amount of evidence, the brutality and number of victims is what it was designed for, and to not go for it (with a strong or weak case) would cause an outcry

we may get more evidence at the prelim, I think the judge has said she will keep the hearings open until or unless she is provided with a good reason to close them,

 

[oceanblueeyes]

if he knows what mortally wounded looks and sounds like then why not ensure Michael and the 3 year old were dead, and I don't think going for the DP shows they have good evidence, the DP would be expected in this case even with a limited amount of evidence, the brutality and number of victims is what it was designed for, and to not go for it (with a strong or weak case) would cause an outcry

we may get more evidence at the prelim, I think the judge has said she will keep the hearings open until or unless she is provided with a good reason to close them,

Imo, because he knew he couldn't finish the job with the maintenance man there just feet away from him who could come in at anytime and 911 and LE on the way.

When Jr thought he had murdered everyone imo he left the scene in pitch dark so he would have a less chance of being seen. Then he returns when it is daylight and runs over screaming his whole family is dead. As if he went inside the home THEN right before the 911 call was made but IMO he didn't. He was satisfied at that time that they all were dead.

So when he did go back in with the maintenance man standing outside he saw Michael was still breathing.

If he truly went in and found them at 8:00 am when he said he returned why did it take him going in again to find Michael breathing? The positions and locations of each victim will be extremely important.

If Michael was right close to the door then if he really went in for the first time when he first arrived then how in the world did he miss seeing him breathing. Michael's breathing had to be labored when he was fighting for his life.

None of his story makes sense imo.

I hope that TruTv carries this case when it goes to trial.

IMO

 

[joe jones]

another thing I find astonishing is just how many people were living and sleeping there, I just can't fit all those people into two bedrooms, if only 2 bedrooms then maybe some of them slept on a couch or couches in the living areas,
we have 4 adult males, we have 2 adult females, we have a teenage girl and a 19 year old male with Downs,

I just can't see how that amount of people would even fit into two bedrooms let alone want too,

some of them were boyfriend/girlfriend, 4 of them were siblings, there was also a 3 yr old boy,

and according to reports Guy also lived there

I too am very interested in the position of the bodies, and how many bedrooms there are, and where each person usually slept

 

[oceanblueeyes]

another thing I find astonishing is just how many people were living and sleeping there, I just can't fit all those people into two bedrooms, if only 2 bedrooms then maybe some of them slept on a couch or couches in the living areas,
we have 4 adult males, we have 2 adult females, we have a teenage girl and a 19 year old male with Downs,

I just can't see how that amount of people would even fit into two bedrooms let alone want too,

some of them were boyfriend/girlfriend, 4 of them were siblings, there was also a 3 yr old boy,

and according to reports Guy also lived there

I too am very interested in the position of the bodies, and how many bedrooms there are, and where each person usually slept

I don't know how they do it in a place so small but believe me they do it. We have a lot of migrant workers in our area down here and there can be 15 adults living in one tiny mobile home. I would guess the boyfriend/girlfriend and the little boy would sleep in one bed and they may have more cots set up in the bedrooms for the others. I am sure a lot of them slept in the living room on couches and love seats or in a recliner or even on the floor on a blanket.

These people were poor. They did the best they could and that was all they could afford at the time, I guess. They were supposed to move though sometime the first of September but they died at the end of August.

imo

 

[joe jones]

I don't know how they do it in a place so small but believe me they do it. We have a lot of migrant workers in our area down here and there can be 15 adults living in one tiny mobile home. I would guess the boyfriend/girlfriend and the little boy would sleep in one bed and they may have more cots set up in the bedrooms for the others. I am sure a lot of them slept in the living room on couches and love seats or in a recliner.

These people were poor. They did the best they could and that was all they could afford at the time, I guess. They were supposed to move though sometime the first of September but they died at the end of August.

imo

I have read more background to the case and it was apparently a 3 bedroom 2 bathroom single wide trailer, still seems tiny for all those people, one of whom was wheelchair bound,

I did read one story that the bodies were spread throughout the trailer, which makes it even harder for 1 person to do it, just would have taken one to get out the door, plus in reading round the story it is incredible that not one person in the trailers nearby heard anything, they were very close in proximity, the only thing so far I can see pointing to somebody familiar to the trailer was they got past the dog and the dog did not continue to bark or raise a fuss to awaken the neighbours,

the defence team need to get hold of his brother Tyler and stop him talking to the press, he is not helping his brothers case at all,

 

[joe jones]

have also read that in search warrants that have been released hair was found in the hands of victim 4 (does not say who victim 4 was) and they collected hair from Guy Jnr,

not sure what length of hair he had pre the murders, also one police officer reported seeing blood on his shorts when they arrived at trailer park, I would imagine that it would have been near impossible to not get blood on you though if you had been in that house,

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I have read more background to the case and it was apparently a 3 bedroom 2 bathroom single wide trailer, still seems tiny for all those people, one of whom was wheelchair bound,

I did read one story that the bodies were spread throughout the trailer, which makes it even harder for 1 person to do it, just would have taken one to get out the door, plus in reading round the story it is incredible that not one person in the trailers nearby heard anything, they were very close in proximity, the only thing so far I can see pointing to somebody familiar to the trailer was they got past the dog and the dog did not continue to bark or raise a fuss to awaken the neighbours,

the defence team need to get hold of his brother Tyler and stop him talking to the press, he is not helping his brothers case at all,

But that is the problem with these type of single wide trailers. If it was a three bedroom two bath it still had very little square footage. The entrance/exit doors are on one end of the home and they were probably trapped in the bedrooms or narrow hallway. All he had to do is stand at the beginning of the hallway and they couldn't get past him to get to the doors. I think he murdered some in their sleep. I am sure he came upon them one by one as he progressed further to the back of the house. A house he knew better than anyone.

I read a case a couple of years ago where a man entered his prior home and murdered his ex-wife, three children and the ex wife's mother and father. They all were found in their beds still in a sleeping position.

One mighty blow to the skull can render someone unconscious immediately or outright kill them. I think he was crazed out on drugs and swung the bludgeoning weapon with great strength combing the drugs with the adrenaline he had to feel as he did this.

And if some unfortunate soul was up facing this horrid man and tried to save themselves from being slaughtered no one can win when the weapon swung is life threatening and they have no weapon at all. I really hope they never did know who did this to them.

I do seem to recall that a neighbor did say they heard screaming around midnight. I guess they thought it was a heated argument.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

have also read that in search warrants that have been released hair was found in the hands of victim 4 (does not say who victim 4 was) and they collected hair from Guy Jnr,

not sure what length of hair he had pre the murders, also one police officer reported seeing blood on his shorts when they arrived at trailer park, I would imagine that it would have been near impossible to not get blood on you though if you had been in that house,

I am sure the defense will try to use it as blood transference when he went into the home. However experts in this field can really tell a lot about the type of pattern the blood left. If it is a transference then it could be a smudged area but if it is blood spatter then the blood was put there by velocity. They can even tell if it was low, medium or high velosity.

What will be equally interesting is to find out what exactly he told them the day it happened. They locked him in to his story very early. LE will ask the person who found the bodies to tell them everywhere they walked and went when inside. They stress to them they need to know exactly where they stepped or what rooms they entered and what they touched.

Now if he told them he only went down the hallway and looked into the bedrooms and also went into the living room and that is all the places he went if they find bloody footprints/bootprints or his own fingerprint in the blood of the victims on items or walls he told them he didn't touch then he will be in a heap of trouble.

Mass murders are some of the saddest cases but for police they are often solved quickly due to the tremendous blood DNA left behind at the scenes.

If the ME has narrowed the TOD and it happened shortly after midnight the blood pools would have already been blackening and drying since it was in the extreme heat of summer which can soar over a 100 or more in the summertime here. LE would be able to tell if he left fresh bloody bootprints or if he stepped in dried blood which would flake when weight was applied to it.

If they found the weapon and it has his fingerprints on it and DNA of the victims then it will almost be over before it begins. There will be no way his defense can rationalize that away.



IMO

 

[Soulmagent]

I have read more background to the case and it was apparently a 3 bedroom 2 bathroom single wide trailer, still seems tiny for all those people, one of whom was wheelchair bound,

I did read one story that the bodies were spread throughout the trailer, which makes it even harder for 1 person to do it, just would have taken one to get out the door, plus in reading round the story it is incredible that not one person in the trailers nearby heard anything, they were very close in proximity, the only thing so far I can see pointing to somebody familiar to the trailer was they got past the dog and the dog did not continue to bark or raise a fuss to awaken the neighbours,

the defence team need to get hold of his brother Tyler and stop him talking to the press, he is not helping his brothers case at all,

I mentioned my thoughts on the dog issue way back and wanted to point out again that the dog is not heard barking on the 911 tape as the maintance man is trying to cut it free as EMT and deputys arrive,even though other back ground noise is heard. I do not believe the lady on the phone portrayed the dog correct. If I heard any barking that would prove to me the dog barked at people while on a tie. Now dogs act different in a house so maybe the dog yapped inside and was more of a problem in the house then out side. Which may have been why the tolers had it tied to a porch rail with a rope. Especialy if someone the dog was not familar with stopped by. Because really
if it was always tied up outside full time it would have not been right next to the front door. It would have been somewhere people wouldnt step in poop or smell it.

 

[Soulmagent]

If the ME has narrowed the TOD and it happened shortly after midnight the blood pools would have already been blackening and drying since it was in the extreme heat of summer which can soar over a 100 or more in the summertime here. LE would be able to tell if he left fresh bloody bootprints or if he stepped in dried blood which would flake when weight was applied to it.

If they found the weapon and it has his fingerprints on it and DNA of the victims then it will almost be over before it begins. There will be no way his defense can rationalize that away.



IMO

No doubt they can tell alot from blood splatter and it is really hard to speculate what they have but based on what we have or can read about the case .

2 victims were alive and fresh blood comes from live victims. so bloodly footprints are not out of the realm of possibility for an innocent person.

If the murder weapon was the family broom or shovel or toaster any object that was from the home His finger prints and dna could be explained away. DNA can be found after years and years. The trailer was hot it degrades faster but there would be more of said dna due to sweaty hands and feet etc..Not to mention he probably cried at that scene (quilty or innocent) if it wasnt a long hard cry his eyes had to water when he took in what he saw(or did) . unless they can time stamp the DNA or his blood in on a victims body.

I wouldnt be happy to have a conviction on DNA alone in this case. It wouldnt remove my doubt and I think I am reasonable. At this point it seems very inplausable to me that he committed this crime. I may change my mind as the facts become available. Or if they said it was commited by more than one person. Either way I hope his rights are protected because if his are not then none of ours are safe either.