GA - Ex-POTUS Donald Trump and others indicted, 13 counts in 2020 election interference, violation of RICO Act, Aug 2023 *4 guilty* #3

[MyBelle]

I'm not a very political person but, I'm sorry, this man should not be a politician. He's too corrupt.

If one files the proper paperwork, they can run for office and voters will decide whether to elect them or not.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

I can absolutely see why he's leading in the polls though. Biden's presidency has been an absolute disaster. And I can't get my head around how he seems to be the only person the Democrats can put forward who has a chance to beat him in November. Have they not got someone under the age of 80 they could nominate?!

As for this trial (and all the others), in a nutshell all of this litigating seems to be less concerned about someone breaking the law, rather than trying to prevent a politician who many people don't like from running for office again.

If you're not a very political person, then one vital characteristic to know about american politics is that the judicial system is VERY political!

JMO

BBM. There are too many lawsuits that have given many voters the perception they are politically motivated. Especially this one in Georgia.

The problem now is that there are two elderly men in the lead, and both have symptoms of cognitive decline. I'm also not impressed with any other candidate at this point.

Congress needs to do their job and set a maximum age to be a candidate for President.

JMO

 

[Auntie Cipation]

If one files the proper paperwork, they can run for office and voters will decide whether to elect them or not.

JMO

Setting aside corruption of elections themselves, are you saying that if a majority of voters (or, as it actually works, the minimum number of electors regardless of the popular vote) choose to vote for someone who is clearly corrupt and overtly threatening authoritarianism, that it should be deemed "ok"?

Even if the voters choices are made from within the mind control of a cult?

Even if it means we are then on the path to repeat the Third Reich or similar scale horrors?

Are there perhaps global scale agreements (UN, Hague, Geneva, etc) that would step up to force (economically, perhaps, with embargoes and trade restrictions) such a government to stand down?

Or do we just let it happen, until there are no longer a majority of people who "choose" it.

Do you think there could ever be a coming back from that? Politically, socially, environmentally, economically, globally?

These are serious questions on my part, because of course we tend to default to "let the voters choose". But without some basic boundaries of "within the limits of a free democracy", it seems that could be a death knell for the country.

MOO

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Congress needs to do their job and set a maximum age to be a candidate for President.

I'm inclined to agree with this.

I don't think Biden is cognitively impaired, and to be honest I'm not sure I believe that's the problem with Trump either.

But the sad example of Dianne Feinstein does argue your point. I have a family member wih dementia and have learned a lot through that experience, most particularly that a sufferer does not usually recognize their own situation.

I think there is another important change we should make, and that is to switch to ranked choice voting.

This is when voters rank their choices from most to least preferred, so that third party candidates no longer "split the vote" and end up helping the most opposite candidate.

Instead of voting for the lesser-of-evil options, we could vote for who we actually want, knowing that if they don't get enough votes, our vote will then count for our second choice rather than for our least preferred candidate.

MOO

 

[MyBelle]

Setting aside corruption of elections themselves, are you saying that if a majority of voters (or, as it actually works, the minimum number of electors regardless of the popular vote) choose to vote for someone who is clearly corrupt and overtly threatening authoritarianism, that it should be deemed "ok"?

Even if the voters choices are made from within the mind control of a cult?

Even if it means we are then on the path to repeat the Third Reich or similar scale horrors?

Are there perhaps global scale agreements (UN, Hague, Geneva, etc) that would step up to force (economically, perhaps, with embargoes and trade restrictions) such a government to stand down?

Or do we just let it happen, until there are no longer a majority of people who "choose" it.

Do you think there could ever be a coming back from that? Politically, socially, environmentally, economically, globally?

These are serious questions on my part, because of course we tend to default to "let the voters choose". But without some basic boundaries of "within the limits of a free democracy", it seems that could be a death knell for the country.

MOO

BBM. "Let the voters choose" isn't a "default" of anything. It is the way our election system works and I'm not in favor of changing it.

In this case, I think Georgia voters will reject Fani Willis' bid for re-election and at least one member of the jury will reject her attempt to convict Trump at trial. Professional ethics do matter to many voters, including myself.

JMO

Fani Willis had travel paid for by special prosecutor in Trump case, filing shows

Records submitted in Nathan Wade divorce case show DA named as travel companion while Trump investigation was ongoing

www.theguardian.com

Bank records for the special prosecutor Nathan Wade attached as an exhibit to the filing, submitted by Wade’s wife in a divorce proceeding, showed that the district attorney, Fani Willis, was named as a travel companion on at least two trips while the Trump investigation was ongoing.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

@MyBelle Yes of course, I wasn't clear, when I said "let the voters choose" is a default, what I meant is that it's of course our default mindset, it's the way we think it ought to be BECAUSE it's such a fundamental basis of our democracy.

I'm asking the question about whether that core democratic value ought to have some bounds on it, to ensure we don't lose that very democracy by voting for someone who makes clear they will not maintain it.

And I think it's clear I wasn't referring to Willis or to any lesser office than President.

MOO

 

[MyBelle]

@MyBelle Yes of course, I wasn't clear, when I said "let the voters choose" is a default, what I meant is that it's of course our default mindset, it's the way we think it ought to be BECAUSE it's such a fundamental basis of our democracy.

I'm asking the question about whether that core democratic value ought to have some bounds on it, to ensure we don't lose that very democracy by voting for someone who makes clear they will not maintain it.

And I think it's clear I wasn't referring to Willis or to any lesser office than President.

MOO

BBM. I'm not so sure the current President "maintains core democratic values" but it also doesn't mean I will vote for his opponent if the current person in the lead receives the nomination.

My post was referencing ALL political offices, not just President. A very recent Georgia poll makes it very clear Biden has lost the confidence of many Georgia voters where this case is being tried. Nathan Wade met with White House staff twice including a trip to the White House. This case smacks of presidential interference in a court proceeding.

JMO

Fani Willis' prosecutor meeting White House counsel raises questions

Fani Willis' special prosecutor Nathan Wade held two meetings with White House staff before Donald Trump's indictment.

www.newsweek.com

The first, on May 23, 2022, is labeled "travel to Athens: Conf[erence] with White House Counsel," for which Wade charged $2,000 for eight hours' work. The bill read that Wade also had an "interview with DC/White House" on November 18, 2022 for which he also billed $8,000 at a rate of $250 per hour.

Newsweek reached out on Tuesday to the White House press office by email and to the Wade & Campbell Firm, for which Wade works, by telephone and online contact form for comment.

https://www.axios.com/2024/01/16/trump-biden-georgia-poll-2024-rematch

President Biden trails former President Trump by eight percentage points in a hypothetical rematch in Georgia, according to an Atlanta Journal-Constitution poll of registered voters out Tuesday.

Why it matters: The poll offers an early warning sign for Biden, who flipped Georgia blue in 2020 for the first time in nearly three decades.

Driving the news: Trump led Biden 45-37% in the poll of registered voters, with 6% undecided and another 12% planning to back a different candidate or not vote.

 

[mtlupy]

If one files the proper paperwork, they can run for office and voters will decide whether to elect them or not.

JMO

Doesn't make it okay. Imho it's insane that people convicted of a crime can't vote...but they can run for president?????

Not that Trump has been convicted, but it still feels wrong for me.

 

[mtlupy]

I can absolutely see why he's leading in the polls though. Biden's presidency has been an absolute disaster. And I can't get my head around how he seems to be the only person the Democrats can put forward who has a chance to beat him in November. Have they not got someone under the age of 80 they could nominate?!

As for this trial (and all the others), in a nutshell all of this litigating seems to be less concerned about someone breaking the law, rather than trying to prevent a politician who many people don't like from running for office again.

If you're not a very political person, then one vital characteristic to know about american politics is that the judicial system is VERY political!

JMO

I've personally found myself less terrified of living in America as a queer and autistic person in the Biden presidency. I don't find Biden to be a particularly good president, but I don't think he's going to kill me.

 

[Lilibet]

And I can't get my head around how he seems to be the only person the Democrats can put forward who has a chance to beat him in November. Have they not got someone under the age of 80 they could nominate?!

Customarily, the incumbent has first dibs on running again, so it’s not up to the Democratic Party to put forward someone to run against Biden. If Biden were to withdraw from the race, who do you think the party could put forward who could beat Trump? Certainly not Kamala Harris or Hilary Clinton. Maybe Michelle Obama, but she won’t run. So who?

 

[mtlupy]

Customarily, the incumbent has first dibs on running again, so it’s not up to the Democratic Party to put forward someone to run against Biden. If Biden were to withdraw from the race, who do you think the party could put forward who could beat Trump? Certainly not Kamala Harris or Hilary Clinton. Maybe Michelle Obama, but she won’t run. So who?

I'd put forward Elizabeth Warren, but I unfortunately don't think that the US is ready for a female president yet. Very said for such a "developed" country.

 

[Cool Cats]

How misconduct allegations against Fani Willis could impact her prosecution of Trump

A former Trump aide is seeking to have Willis disqualified for engaging in an “improper, clandestine personal relationship” with her lead prosecutor.

news.yahoo.com

 

[Niner]

I can absolutely see why he's leading in the polls though. Biden's presidency has been an absolute disaster. And I can't get my head around how he seems to be the only person the Democrats can put forward who has a chance to beat him in November. Have they not got someone under the age of 80 they could nominate?!

JMO

snipped by me -
I too wish Biden wouldn't run - but like @Lilibet said - but WHO?

I had to look up & see who IS running as a democrat -

List of Democratic candidates

Joe Biden (D), incumbent president of the United States, announced he would run for re-election on April 25, 2023.[26]
Dean Phillips (D), a U.S. representative from Minnesota, announced his candidacy on October 26, 2023.[42]
Marianne Williamson (D), 2020 presidential candidate and author, announced her candidacy on February 23, 2023.[36]

Other Democratic candidates

Cenk Uygur (D), a media commentator and founder of The Young Turks, announced his candidacy on October 12, 2023. At the time of the announcement, it was not clear that Uygur met the natural born citizen requirement in Article II, Section 1, of the United States Constitution.[13]

 

[Niner]

Docket updates:

for Trump & Clark:
Events & Hearings
01/17/2024 ORDER
Comment: 23SC188947 2024.01.17 Trump Clark Order on Motion to Compel [After hearing arguments from counsel & a proffer by the State on 1/12/24, the Court finds it is unable to grant the Defendant's requested relief as the items demanded do not exist & the State has adequately addressed the other concerns raised by defense counsel. The motion is therefore moot. Signed by Fulton Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee]


for All:
Events & Hearings
01/17/2024 RESPONSE
Comment:
STATE CONSOLIDATED RESPONSE TO DEFENDANT HARRISON FLOYD GENERAL DEMURRER TO COUNTS 1, 30, AND 31, DEMURRER TO COUNTS 1 & 30, AND SPECIAL DEMURRER TO COUNT 31

1/19/2024 RESPONSE
Comment: STATE RESPONSE TO DEFENDANT JOHN CHARLES EASTMAN SPECIAL DEMURRER ON COUNT 1 (RICO)

01/19/2024 RESPONSE
Comment: STATE RESPONSE TO DEFENDANT HARRISON WILLIAM PRESCOTT FLOYD GENERAL DEMURRER TO COUNT 1 [Issue: Pattern of racketeering activity) & general demurrer to Count 1 (Issue-Lack of agreement to join conspiracy)].

for Lee:
Events & Hearings
01/17/2024 ORDER
Comment: 23SC188947 2024.01.17 Lee Order on Adopted Plea in Bar [DENIED]


for Hampton:
Events & Hearings
01/17/2024 ORDER
Comment: 23SC188947 2024.01.17 Hampton Order on Motion to Adopt [DENIED]

link: Fulton County Magistrate, State, and Superior Court Record Search

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Setting aside corruption of elections themselves, are you saying that if a majority of voters (or, as it actually works, the minimum number of electors regardless of the popular vote) choose to vote for someone who is clearly corrupt and overtly threatening authoritarianism, that it should be deemed "ok"?

Even if the voters choices are made from within the mind control of a cult?

Even if it means we are then on the path to repeat the Third Reich or similar scale horrors?

Are there perhaps global scale agreements (UN, Hague, Geneva, etc) that would step up to force (economically, perhaps, with embargoes and trade restrictions) such a government to stand down?

Or do we just let it happen, until there are no longer a majority of people who "choose" it.

Do you think there could ever be a coming back from that? Politically, socially, environmentally, economically, globally?

These are serious questions on my part, because of course we tend to default to "let the voters choose". But without some basic boundaries of "within the limits of a free democracy", it seems that could be a death knell for the country.

MOO

Does your opinion of a viable candidate and corruption extend to say, their son?

 

[bobbymkii]

Does your opinion of a viable candidate and corruption extend to say, their son?

If it's the son I'm thinking you are referring to. And the candidate is themselves significantly involved in the corruption of said son, then yes!

 

[vls12345]

Does alleged relationship between Fulton DA, special prosecutor affect election interference case?

What effect will allegations of a relationship between the Fulton DA and the special prosecutor in election interference case have on the case? A Georgia legal expert weighs in.

www.wsbtv.com

"“It shouldn’t affect the legal case. What she does on her private life, whether we approve of it or disapprove of it, is not the issue in a criminal trial. The issue in a criminal trial is whether or not the defendants did what they’re accused of doing. personal attacks on the prosecutor rarely work for lawyers in defending cases,” said Ed Tolley, an attorney and former chairman of the State Judicial Qualifications Commission."

and

"Fulton County District Attorney Office spokesman Jeff DiSantis says Willis had serious conversations with five other lawyers about potentially hiring one of them for the election interference case special prosecutor job before she hired Nathan Wade for the post.

DiSantis says all five declined based on the hourly rate, $250 an hour, which is less than most prominent defense attorneys charge and/or security concerns.

DiSantis says one of those lawyers was former Fulton County gang prosecutor and now successful defense attorney Gabe Banks. He also confirmed former Georgia Gov. Roy Barnes was also one of the five.

“A district attorney’s office, particularly when they have more difficult cases or very large cases, do have the legal authority to hire outside counsel to help. And in this case, she’s got three, uh, that she has brought in that are not technically part of her office. And that’s perfectly permissible,” Trolley said."

and

"DiSantis says there has been no threat to pursue charges against Joycelyn Wade or her attorney.

Tolley told Winne that it appears Willis has put together a formidable team and one of the other special prosecutors besides Wade is Georgia’s foremost racketeering expert."

 

[MyBelle]

I'd put forward Elizabeth Warren, but I unfortunately don't think that the US is ready for a female president yet. Very said for such a "developed" country.

Hillary Clinton won the popular vote for President in 2016.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Does alleged relationship between Fulton DA, special prosecutor affect election interference case?

What effect will allegations of a relationship between the Fulton DA and the special prosecutor in election interference case have on the case? A Georgia legal expert weighs in.

www.wsbtv.com

"“It shouldn’t affect the legal case. What she does on her private life, whether we approve of it or disapprove of it, is not the issue in a criminal trial. The issue in a criminal trial is whether or not the defendants did what they’re accused of doing. personal attacks on the prosecutor rarely work for lawyers in defending cases,” said Ed Tolley, an attorney and former chairman of the State Judicial Qualifications Commission."

and

"Fulton County District Attorney Office spokesman Jeff DiSantis says Willis had serious conversations with five other lawyers about potentially hiring one of them for the election interference case special prosecutor job before she hired Nathan Wade for the post.

DiSantis says all five declined based on the hourly rate, $250 an hour, which is less than most prominent defense attorneys charge and/or security concerns.

DiSantis says one of those lawyers was former Fulton County gang prosecutor and now successful defense attorney Gabe Banks. He also confirmed former Georgia Gov. Roy Barnes was also one of the five.

“A district attorney’s office, particularly when they have more difficult cases or very large cases, do have the legal authority to hire outside counsel to help. And in this case, she’s got three, uh, that she has brought in that are not technically part of her office. And that’s perfectly permissible,” Trolley said."

and

"DiSantis says there has been no threat to pursue charges against Joycelyn Wade or her attorney.

Tolley told Winne that it appears Willis has put together a formidable team and one of the other special prosecutors besides Wade is Georgia’s foremost racketeering expert."

BBM. I take whatever an attorney says with a grain of salt. The issue in this criminal trial is going to be determined by a jury comprised of adult Fulton County taxpayers. I doubt all of them will be attorneys.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

snipped by me -
I too wish Biden wouldn't run - but like @Lilibet said - but WHO?

I had to look up & see who IS running as a democrat -

List of Democratic candidates

Joe Biden (D), incumbent president of the United States, announced he would run for re-election on April 25, 2023.[26]
Dean Phillips (D), a U.S. representative from Minnesota, announced his candidacy on October 26, 2023.[42]
Marianne Williamson (D), 2020 presidential candidate and author, announced her candidacy on February 23, 2023.[36]

Other Democratic candidates

Cenk Uygur (D), a media commentator and founder of The Young Turks, announced his candidacy on October 12, 2023. At the time of the announcement, it was not clear that Uygur met the natural born citizen requirement in Article II, Section 1, of the United States Constitution.[13]

I think it will be Michelle Obama.

JMO