GA - Former President Donald Trump indicted, 10 counts in 2020 election interference, violation of RICO Act, 14 Aug 2023 #2

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Well - I still have a few that have not surrendered - I have bold them in scarlet. And some more notes added.

Friday, August 25th:
*Surrender Date (for rest) (by 12pm ET) – State of Georgia vs. Donald John Trump (77) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count (1) of violation of the Georgia RICO (Racketeer Influenced & corrupt organizations) Act (there are 161 acts listed), 4 counts (5, 9, 28, 38) of solicitation of violation of oath by public officer, 2 counts (13 & 19) conspiracy to commit false statements & writings, 1 count (15) conspiracy to commit filing false documents, 2 counts (11 & 17) conspiracy to commit forgery in the 1st degree, 1 count (27) filing false documents & 2 counts (29 & 39) of false statements & writings. (total 13 counts). Bond $200K. Surrendered 8/24/23.
vs. Rudolph William Louis Giuliani (79) (Trump lawyer) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1), 3 counts (2, 6 & 9) of conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer. 2 counts (3 & 7) false statements & writings, 2 counts (11 & 17) conspiracy to commit forgery in the 1st degree, 2 counts (13 & 19) conspiracy to commit false statements & writings, 1 count (15) conspiracy to commit filing false documents, 1 count (23) solicitation of violation of oath by public officer & 1 count (24) false statements & writings. (total 13 counts). Bond $150K. Surrendered 8/23/23.
vs. John Charles Eastman (63) (White House Chief of Staff) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1), 1 count of solicitation of violation of oath by public officer (2), 1 count of conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer (9), 2 counts of conspiracy to commit forgery in the 1st degree (11 & 17), 2 counts of conspiracy to commit false statements & writings (13 & 19), 1 count of conspiracy to commit filing false documents (15) & 1 count of filing false documents. (total 9 counts). Bond $100K. Surrendered on 8/22/23. Attorney Harvey Silverglate.
vs. Mark Randall Meadows (64) (Trump lawyer) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count of violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1) & 1 count of solicitation of violation of oath by public officer (28). (total 2 counts). Surety Bond at $100K. Surrendered 8/24/23.
vs. Kenneth John Chesebro (61) (Trump lawyer) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count of violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1), 1 count of conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer (9), 2 counts of conspiracy to commit forgery in the 1st degree (11 & 17), 2 counts of conspiracy to commit false statements & writings (13 & 19) & 1 count of conspiracy to commit filing false documents (15). (total 7 counts). Bond $100K. Surrendered 8/23/23.
vs. Jeffrey Bossert Clark (56) (pro-Trump lawyer) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1) & 1 count criminal attempt to commit false statements & writings (22). (total 2 counts). Bond $100K. Surrendered 8/23/23.
vs. Jenna Lynn Ellis (39) (top Justice Dept. official) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with count violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1) & 1 count of solicitation of violation of oath by public officer (2). (total 2 counts). Bond $100K. Surrendered 8/23/23.
vs. Ray Stallings Smith III (60) (Coffee County election supervisor) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1), 2 counts of solicitation of violation of oath by public officer (2 & 6), 3 counts of false statements & writings (4, 13 & 19), 1 count conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer (9), 2 counts of conspiracy to commit forgery in the 1st degree (11 & 17), 1 count conspiracy to commit filing false documents (15), 1 count criminal attempt to commit false statements & writings (23) & 1 count of false statements & writings (25). (total 12 counts). Bond $50K. Surrendered 8/23/23.
vs. Robert David Cheeley (Trump campaign lawyer) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count of violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1), 1 count of conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer (9), 2 counts of conspiracy to commit forgery in the 1st degree (11 & 17), 2 counts of conspiracy to commit false statements & writings (13 & 19), 1 count of conspiracy to commit filing false documents (15), 1 count of solicitation of violation of oath by public officer (23), 1 count false statements & writings (26) & 1 count of perjury (41). (total 10 counts). Bond $50K.
vs. Michael A. Roman (51) (lawyer) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count of violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1), 1 count of conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer (9), 2 counts of conspiracy to commit forgery in the 1st degree (11 & 17), 2 counts of conspiracy to commit false statements & writings (13 & 19) & 1 count of filing false documents (15). (total 7 counts). Bond #50K.
vs. David James Shafer (58) (Trump campaign official) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1), 1 count of impersonating a public office (8), 1 count of forgery in the 1st degree (10), 2 counts of false statements & writings (12 & 40), 2 counts of criminal attempt to commit false documents (14 & 18), 1 count of forgery in the 1st degree (16) & (total 8 counts). Bond $75K. Surrendered 8/23/23.
vs. Shawn Micah Tresher Still (50 or 51) (Georgia GOP chair & fake elector) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count of violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1), 1 count of impersonating a public office (8), 1 count of forgery in the 1st degree (10), 1 count of false statements & writings (12), 2 counts of criminal attempt to commit false documents (14 & 18), 1 count of forgery in the 1st degree (16). (total 7 counts). Bond $10K.
vs. Stephen Cliffgard Lee (71) (Fake GOP elector) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count violation of the Georgia RICO Ac6t (1), 2 counts criminal attempt to commit influencing witnesses (20 & 21), 1 count of criminal attempt to commit false statements & writings (22), 2 counts solicitation of violation of oath by public officer(23 & 28), 4 counts of False statements & writings (24, 25, 26 & 29), 1 count of filing false documents (27), 1 count conspiracy to commit solicitation of false statements & writings (30), 1 count of influencing witnesses (31) & 1 count of conspiracy to commit election fraud (32). (total 14 counts). Bond $75K.
vs. Harrison William Prescott Floyd aka Willie Lewis Floyd III (36?) (pastor tied to intimidation of election workers) indicted & charged (8/14/23 with 1 count violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1), 1 count of conspiracy to commit solicitation of false statements & writings (30) & 1 count of influencing witnesses (31). (total 3 counts). Surrendered 8/24/23 & will remain in jail without bond.
vs. Trevian C. Kutti (53) (leader of Black Voices for Trump) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count of violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1), 1 count of conspiracy to commit solicitation of false statements & writings (30) & 1 count of influencing witnesses (31). (total 3 counts). Bond $75K.
vs. Sidney Katherine Powell (68) (publicist tied to intimidation of election workers) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count of violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1), 2 counts of conspiracy to commit election fraud (32 & 33), 1 count of conspiracy to commit computer theft (34), 1 count conspiracy to commit computer trespass (35), 1 count conspiracy to commit computer invasion of privacy (36) & 1 count conspiracy to defraud the State. (total 7 counts). Bond $100K. Surrendered 8/23/23.
vs. Cathleen Alston Latham (Trump campaign lawyer) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1), 1 count of impersonating a public officer (8), 1 count of forgery in the 1st degree (10), 1 count of false statements & writings (12), 1 count of criminal attempt to commit false documents (14), 2 counts conspiracy to commit election fraud (32 & 33), 1 count conspiracy to commit computer theft (34), 1 count conspiracy to commit computer trespass (35), 1 count of conspiracy to commit computer invasion of privacy (36) & 1 count conspiracy to defraud the State (37). (total 11 counts). Bond $75K. Surrendered on 8/23/23.
vs. Scott Graham Hall (fake GOP elector tied to Coffee County breach) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1), 2 counts conspiracy to commit election fraud (32 & 33), 1 count conspiracy to commit computer theft (34), 1 count conspiracy to commit computer trespass (35), 1 count of conspiracy to commit computer invasion of privacy (36) & 1 count conspiracy to defraud the State (37). (total 7 counts). Bond $10K. Surrendered on 8/22/23 & posted Surety bond ($4K for RICO & $1K for 6 other charges). Bond $10K. Surrendered 8/23/23.
vs. Misty Hampton aka Emily Misty Hayes (tied to Coffee County election system breach) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count of violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1), 2 counts conspiracy to commit election fraud (32 & 33), 1 count conspiracy to commit computer theft (34), 1 count conspiracy to commit computer trespass (35), 1 count of conspiracy to commit computer invasion of privacy (36) & 1 count conspiracy to defraud the State (37). (total 7 counts). Signature Bond @ $10K. Fulton County, Georgia Criminal Election Influence Investigation. Prosecuting Office: Fulton County, GA District Attorney’ Fani Willis’ Office. Case #23SC188947
Officials with the Fulton county court handed the indictment to judge Robert McBurney.
Proposed trial date on 3/4/24. Judge Scott McAfee presiding. Though McAfee was assigned the case soon after the indictment was handed up on Monday evening, it could be transferred to a different judge later in the process.
8/17/23 Update from CNN: Fulton County’s sweeping indictment against Trump & 18 additional co-defendants also includes details involving 30 “unindicted co-conspirators” – people who Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis alleges took part in the criminal conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election. Some of the co-conspirators are key Trump advisers, like Boris Epshteyn, while several others are likely Georgia officials who were the state’s fake electors for Trump. One of the unindicted co-conspirators who appears multiple times in the indictment is Georgia’s Republican Lt. Gov. Burt Jones. Willis was barred by a state judge from investigating Jones after she hosted a fundraiser last year for Jones’ Democratic opponent when he was a state senator running for lieutenant governor. The 98-page document alleges the 30 unindicted co-conspirators, who are not named, “constituted a criminal organization whose members & associates engaged in various related criminal activities” across the 41 charges laid out in the indictment. Unindicted co-conspirators per CNN: Co-conspirator 1 is Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch, Co-conspirator 3 is Boris Epshteyn, Trump political adviser, Co-conspirator 4 is Robert Sinners, Trump’s Georgia election day operations lead, Co-conspirator 5 is Bernie Kerik, former NYPD Commissioner, Co-conspirator 6 is GOP operative Phil Waldron, Co-conspirator 8 is Georgia Lt. Gov. Burt Jones, Co-conspirators 9 is former Georgia Republican Party Treasurer Joseph Brannan, Co-conspirators 10 & 11 are Georgia GOP officials Carolyn Fisher & Vikki Consiglio, Co-conspirators 2 & 8-19 are the fake electors, Co-conspirator 20 is unclear-The indictment says Individual 20 was part of a meeting at the White House on December 18, 2020, with Trump, Giuliani & Powell, known to have discussed the possibility of seizing voting machines. Co-conspirators 21 & 22 are Conan Hayes & Todd Sanders, Co-conspirators 23-30 are related to Coffee County voting machines, Co-conspirator 25 & 29 are a Cyber Ninjas CEO Doug Logan & analyst Jeffrey Lenberg, Co-conspirator 28 is Jim Penrose.

Case & court info from 2/10/21 thru 8/13/23 reference post #64 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...ation-of-rico-act-14-aug-2023-2.688728/page-4

8/24/23: Page 15 of GA indictment says there are 30 un-indicted co-conspirators. “I am giving the defendants the opportunity to voluntarily surrender no later than Friday 8/25/23 at noon” says Fulton County DA Fani Willis. She will be proposing a trial date within the next six months. Former Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows is seeking to move the Fulton County, Georgia, prosecution against him to federal court so that he can try to get the case dismissed under federal law. On Wednesday, a federal judge scheduled an 8/28/23 hearing for Meadows & others to present evidence about whether to move the case. The judge noted the state court case can proceed at this time. In the filing, Judge Jones said the notice of removal & the attached indictment “do not clearly indicate that summary remand of this matter is required,” meaning there is no need for a higher court to send the case back to a lower court for further action. Judge Jones also ordered Meadows to give Fulton County DA Fani Willis a copy of the notice of removal & the order for the hearing. Once Willis receives the documents, she is allowed to submit a written response by Aug. 23. Fulton County DA Fani Willis has asked a judge to set a trial date of 3/4/24 for Trump & his 18 co-defendants. Willis’ proposed schedule also requests arraignments for Trump & his allies the week of 9/5/23. She hasn’t changed her Aug. 25 deadline for them to surrender at the Fulton County Jail.
8/23/23 Update: Chesebro filed "Demand for Speedy Trial". Filed by Scott R. Grubman. 8/24/23 Update: Drew Findling, the lawyer who has led Trump’s defense in Georgia, is being replaced by Steven Sadow, an Atlanta-based attorney. Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger has been told he will be subpoenaed to provide testimony at a court hearing in which former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows will argue the Fulton County case against him should be removed to federal court.
8/24/23 Update: State's Motion to Specially set Trial filed. Fulton County DA Fani Willis asks court to commence trial for all 19 defendants on 10/23/23. The move follows a demand for a speedy trial by one of Trump's co-defendants, Kenneth Chesebro. Under Georgia law, defendants who make a speedy trial demand in Fulton County are supposed to go to trial within roughly 4 months -- if not, that could be grounds for dismissal.
8/24/23 Update: Former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows surrendered to authorities at the Fulton County, Ga., jail Thursday afternoon, according to jail records. Meadows agreed to a $100,000 bond earlier Thursday — the same amount as several Trump lawyers charged in the case. He paid the bond via a surety bond, or a loan to post bail.
8/24/23 Update: Trump also alerts the Court that he will be filing a timely motion to sever his case from that of co-defendant Chesebro, who has filed a demand for speedy trial, or any other co-defendant who files such a demand. Trump files a motion opposing Fani Willis’ request for an October 23 trial date for all 19 co-defendants listed in the indictment. 8:44 p.m. The Fulton County Sheriff’s Office released this statement to the media: “This evening, defendant Trump surrendered to authorities at the Fulton County Jail (GA.). Trump’s bond order & stipulations are the result of negotiations between the DA’s office & his attorneys. It is expected that the remaining 7 defendants, named in the Georgia election interference indictment, will surrender by Friday, August 25, 2023.
8/24/23 Update: Fulton County deputies confirm Harrison Floyd surrendered on Thursday but will remain in jail without bond.
8/24/23 Update: Willis filed a motion in Fulton County Superior Court to move all 19 co-defendants’ trial to Oct. 23. Late Thursday afternoon, Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee approved a motion from co-defendant Kenneth Chesebro for a speedy trial, agreeing to an Oct. 23 trial date. Earlier in the day, Willis also filed a motion in the same court, requesting an Oct. 23 trial date for all 19 co-defendants, including the nation’s 45th president himself. Newly hired Trump attorney Steven Sadow immediately filed an objection. 8/25/23 Update: Mark Meadows is seeking to move the Fulton County, Georgia, prosecution against him to federal court so that he can try to get the case dismissed under federal law. On Wednesday, a federal judge scheduled an 8/28/23 hearing for Meadows & others to present evidence about whether to move the case.


Court documents were obtained scheduling a hearing in Fulton County Superior Court for all 19 defendants, including former President Donald Trump, on Thursday, Aug. 31.

It is unclear what type of hearing is on the court docket.

There is no word on if any of the defendants will be required to appear in person for the hearing.
 
  • #642
Deals will be cut. That's the way it works.
It's not too late. I've seen deals cut during trials!

As you know, one purpose of a deal is to provide information.

Trump will never plea deal.
Guiliani likely won't because he's Trump's BFF

In the end, I think many will plea.
Many in this group (the attorneys) likely want to "get on with their lives".
They likely have other careers in the works. (The Watergate conspirators had lucrative post-conviction careers)

Some at the bottom won't plea because they will be steadfast.

Just MOO...
You are right! Thanks for the voice of reason - appreciated.

jmo
 
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I have wonder if Trump practiced his mug shot "look" at home, in front of the mirror. Maybe even having someone (Don Jr.?) coach him to get the effect he wanted. Also, his hair looks much lighter in the mug shot. Did he dye it? Perhaps it was just the lighting. Hmm.
He's a performer and I'm assuming he has practiced his look for years. He pulled out his scary look for the mugshot, imo.

jmo
 
  • #644
His charges come with a mandatory sentence.
If convicted and that’s a big if for me - I’m trying to figure out the logistics of that. How does it work with Secret Service? House arrest? idk
 
  • #645
Attempting to coerce the Secretary of State to overturn the state's results - after 3 recounts and votes being certified and multiple investigations turning up no substantial fraud and lawsuits within the state - is no longer 'asking questions'.

The now very famous phone call was January 2nd, 2021 and even in September 2021 - 10 months after he lost - he sent a letter to the SOS demanding the results be overturned.

It gets difficult to refute the only outcome that would have been accepted by Trump is one in which he won...even when he didn't.

JMO
 
  • #646
There is no evidence of criminal activity in Georgia that I've seen. Phone calls, Tweets, Texts aren't crimes. Questioning the outcome of an election isn't a crime.
As has been said many times already, phone calls, tweets and texts CAN BE criminal in context, if they are part of a conspiracy, an incitement, or other illegal activity. The limitations on the first amendment have been spelled out over and over.

Also, he's not being charged for questioning the outcome of an election. As has also been stated multiple times.

Willis has made no secret that she is a proud Democrat to the point she openly campaigned for the Democrat opponent of a Republican politician she subsequently tried to indict.
If she holds values consistent with the Democratic Party and disagrees with at least some of those held by the Republican Party, it makes complete sense that she would support the Democrat, just as most of us choose our party preferences.

But let's say for sake of argument that she was completely politically neutral. If she saw one candidate do something apparently illegal and actually used that as her reasoning to support that candidate's opponent, that also makes complete sense. I don't see how this is the problem you're making it out to be.


I'm not alone in my opinion this indictment constitutes election interference.
Once all legal challenges to the election were complete (and in this case those challenges failed due to lack of evidence), the election was at that point OVER. All the actions he's being charged for happened AFTER that point. The election was over.

His challenges to the outcome were legal and he has not been charged in relation to them. He's charged for attempting to OVERTHROW the election after he failed at the legal challenge options.

MOO
 
  • #647
If convicted and that’s a big if for me - I’m trying to figure out the logistics of that. How does it work with Secret Service? House arrest? idk
Logistically, ya got me. Some possibilities that I've heard lawyers suggest include house arrest, protective custody in prison with secret service effectively becoming his guards and George Conway and a couple of others have stated a private prison could be built just for Trump. There are obviously very valid national security concerns about housing a former president with extensive knowledge of the nation's secrets in a prison environment.

I think, if convicted, house arrest won't be enough though considering he's living at a social club and his charges are actually really quite serious. JMO
 
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Trump’s late-night rant included quotes from supporters, particularly on conservative media. This included referencing the Hoover Institution’s Victor Davis Hanson, who told Newsmax that he believes Georgia’s Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis knows her case against Trump won’t stand up if appealed.

Trump posted, “‘It’s very ironic because if Prosecutor Willis is really concerned about Election denialism and using the levers of government and public influence to have some kind of conspiracy to overturn a genuine ballot, the she would have gone after Stacey Abrams, who’s in her own state.’ Victor Davis Hanson, Senior Fellow, Hoover Institution.”

He later jumped back to Willis and Hanson and shared, “‘Willis knows the case is weak, only wants to hurt Trump.’ Victor Davis Hanson on The Balance, Eric Bolling.”
 
  • #649
Logistically, ya got me. Some possibilities that I've heard lawyers suggest include house arrest, protective custody with secret service effectively becoming his guards and George Conway and a couple of others have stated a private prison could be built just for Trump. There are obviously very valid national security concerns about housing a former president with extensive knowledge of the nation's secrets in a prison environment.

I think, if convicted, house arrest won't be enough though considering he's living at a social club and his charges are actually really quite serious. JMO
Not to mention some of the crimes were committed at his social clubs.

FWIW I don't give a flying fig at this point about his potential/eventual sentencing. One step at a time, imo.

jmo
 
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Trump’s late-night rant included quotes from supporters, particularly on conservative media. This included referencing the Hoover Institution’s Victor Davis Hanson, who told Newsmax that he believes Georgia’s Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis knows her case against Trump won’t stand up if appealed.

Trump posted, “‘It’s very ironic because if Prosecutor Willis is really concerned about Election denialism and using the levers of government and public influence to have some kind of conspiracy to overturn a genuine ballot, the she would have gone after Stacey Abrams, who’s in her own state.’ Victor Davis Hanson, Senior Fellow, Hoover Institution.”

He later jumped back to Willis and Hanson and shared, “‘Willis knows the case is weak, only wants to hurt Trump.’ Victor Davis Hanson on The Balance, Eric Bolling.”
Whatabout has entered chat.
 
  • #651
enjoy the slide option to compare the headshots and the mugshots ;)


As has been said many times already, phone calls, tweets and texts CAN BE criminal in context, if they are part of a conspiracy, an incitement, or other illegal activity. The limitations on the first amendment have been spelled out over and over.

Also, he's not being charged for questioning the outcome of an election. As has also been stated multiple times.


If she holds values consistent with the Democratic Party and disagrees with at least some of those held by the Republican Party, it makes complete sense that she would support the Democrat, just as most of us choose our party preferences.

DBM

I'm having difficulty responding without getting deleted so I second guessed myself.

MO seems to punch some folks!
 
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Shawn Still, one of the Georgia fake electors, is trying to move the case to federal court. I don't know if that makes sense given that electors represent the state. Will be interesting to see the decision on that.

Also look like he is willing to cooperate:
"Mr. Still, as a presidential elector, was also acting at the direction of the incumbent president of the United States," Still's attorney Thomas Bever... 'The president's attorneys instructed Mr. Still and the other contingent electors that they had to meet and cast their ballots on Dec. 14, 2020.'"

Will D.A. Willis cut a deal for cooperation or say it's too late?


This is an interesting question considering that Willis has struck an immunity deal already with 8 of the fake electors.

 
  • #653
If convicted and that’s a big if for me - I’m trying to figure out the logistics of that. How does it work with Secret Service? House arrest? idk
He won't be convicted in Georgia or anywhere else if the Newsweek poll I linked upthread is correct and 59% of voters think these indictments are "an interference in the 2024 presidential election."

JMO
 
  • #654
This is an interesting question considering that Willis has struck an immunity deal already with 8 of the fake electors.

That was before the indictment, right? I wondered if she would still be willing to make deals with people indicted...but I've been convinced it's not too late to make a deal. Will be interesting to watch it all unfold.

jmo
 
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What are the acronyms BBO and DBM? And RSBBM?
 
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This is an interesting question considering that Willis has struck an immunity deal already with 8 of the fake electors.

Not gonna lie - there's part of me that's screaming they had their chance and I really, really hope she won't cut a deal. But my better nature concedes litigating a RICO case is incredibly expensive and time-consuming and the people on the lower rungs of the ladder are really going to have an uphill battle.

If I were the prosecutor, I think both the evidence they could provide my overall case and contrition would have to be substantial for me to even consider it. JMO
 
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DBM

I'm having difficulty responding without getting deleted so I second guessed myself.

MO seems to punch some folks!
Regardless, thank you for re-orienting me when I was aimed in the wrong direction.
 
  • #660
Polls don't vote. (In an election or on a jury.)

JMO
 
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