GA - Former President Donald Trump indicted, 10 counts in 2020 election interference, violation of RICO Act, 14 Aug 2023 #2

[MyBelle]

JMO I don't understand how a Newsweek poll of a random selection of Democratic voters has any reflection whatsoever on what the actual outcome of this trial will be. Especially since the people being polled don't have access to evidence that will be available at trial. Just random people by all accounts.

The poll wasn't just Democrat voters, but the headline is sending a clear message. The media knows a large majority of Americans do not want local, state or federal politicians making decisions that violate civil rights.

<modsnip - off topic> it will be just as difficult to seat a jury in this massive case about tweets, texts and phone conversations.

JMO

 

[BritsKate]

Ahead of tomorrow, just thought I'd share this article...

By trying to show that he has a colorable federal defense that covers his conduct in the post-election period, Meadows gives the game away: he admits that all the alleged activity was fundamentally political. Indeed, he goes on to provide examples of this activity including “conduct of campaigns for political office,” and “to ‘vigorously and tirelessly’ advocate for one’s own election.” Meadows, in essence, has admitted that he cannot clear the first prong of the removal test; he has undermined any potential for showing that the charged conduct was for, or related to, any act under the “color of his office.”

Well worth a read - it nicely demolishes the case for Meadows removal bid line by line. JMO

The Hatch Act Bars Meadows’ Removal Bid

Why a concession by Meadows' attorney in court filings should be fatal to the former chief of staff's effort to get his case into federal court or dismissed.

www.justsecurity.org

 

[branmuffin]

If convicted and that’s a big if for me - I’m trying to figure out the logistics of that. How does it work with Secret Service? House arrest? idk

Short straws.

 

[musicaljoke]

If convicted and that’s a big if for me - I’m trying to figure out the logistics of that. How does it work with Secret Service? House arrest? idk

I can't see house arrest as an option. He would never abide by the restrictions. And if all his houses have leans on them for legal fees, where will he go?

 

[MrsWatson]

If convicted, would Trump even be eligible under sentencing guidelines for a home arrest situation? How much latitude would a judge have with a RICO case?

 

[branmuffin]

Federal Judge Orders 2nd Hearing Removing Georgia Election Case

NTD - To uplift and inform society by publishing quality content that embodies integrity, dignity, and the best of humanity.

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Jeffrey Clark, former Justice Department (DOJ) official, filed a notice of removal on Aug. 21, requesting that his case be moved from state to federal court, where he is expecting the charges to be dismissed. A request to expedite the process before the arrest deadline was denied by Judge Steve Jones of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Georgia, who will oversee the hearings related to removals.

The hearing will take place Monday, Sept. 18, and the district attorney’s office has until Sept. 5 to file a response.

What reason is Harrison William Prescott Floyd being held without bond? He's the guy who was sitting outside Shae's house, intimidating her.

 

[PommyMommy]

What reason is Harrison William Prescott Floyd being held without bond? He's the guy who was sitting outside Shae's house, intimidating her.

The judge deemed he posed a flight risk as well as a risk to commit additional criminal felonies. He was charged earlier this year for attacking an FBI agent who served him a subpoena in the DOJ investigation.

Trump Co-Defendant Harrison Floyd Denied Bond: Why He’s Still In Jail

Floyd is the only one of the 18 co-defendants still in custody.

www.forbes.com

 

[browning]

Wow!

USA TODAY

Former President Donald Trump’s campaign said it has raised $7.1 million since Thursday, when he was arrested in Georgia on charges he tried to steal the 2020 presidential election.

Trump spokesperson Steven Cheung said the campaign raised $4.18 million on Friday alone, marking the its highest-grossing day so far.

 

[BritsKate]

The poll wasn't just Democrat voters, but the headline is sending a clear message. The media knows a large majority of Americans do not want local, state or federal politicians making decisions that violate civil rights.

<modsnip - off topic> it will be just as difficult to seat a jury in this massive case about tweets, texts and phone conversations.

JMO

This massive case is about a sprawling conspiracy to subvert democracy itself and ensure Trump remained in power USING tweets, phone conversations, texts, emails, documents, and memos to plot, plan and coordinate multiple schemes. As such, those tweets, phone conversations, texts, etc now become evidence for the state to build its case in addition to what will probably be rather plentiful witness testimony.

To wit: "Forget the myths the media created about the White House. The truth is, these aren't very bright guys, and things got out of hand.".

If convicted, would Trump even be eligible under sentencing guidelines for a home arrest situation? How much latitude would a judge have with a RICO case?

The simple answer is: a lot. Punishment for a RICO conviction can be prison, a fine, or both. If prison, the sentence is 5-20 years. (Initially, it was reported that RICO came with a 5 year minimum mandatory sentence but I don't believe that's accurate. The judge has much discretion.)
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What reason is Harrison William Prescott Floyd being held without bond? He's the guy who was sitting outside Shae's house, intimidating her.
He was deemed a flight risk by the judge. (Probably didn't help though that he has a federal assault charge against an FBI agent.) In reality, he expressed concern over his finances and he is a resident of Maryland so maybe the judge believed he'd struggle to make future court appearances because of that. JMO

 

[Leilei]

What reason is Harrison William Prescott Floyd being held without bond? He's the guy who was sitting outside Shae's house, intimidating her.

He didn't negotiate a bond with the DA's office like everyone else. Plus, well, he's been charged with simple assault of an FBI agent in Maryland a few months ago. So, the Magistrate judge is leaving it up to Judge McAfee.
IMO he played himself.
His fundraiser has raised plenty of money for bond and possibly an attorney retainer IMO.

 

[BritsKate]

Wow!

USA TODAY

Former President Donald Trump’s campaign said it has raised $7.1 million since Thursday, when he was arrested in Georgia on charges he tried to steal the 2020 presidential election.

Trump spokesperson Steven Cheung said the campaign raised $4.18 million on Friday alone, marking the its highest-grossing day so far.

The only problem is that his legal bills are outstripping his fundraising. By far. And he's under a lot of pressure to cover the legal costs of his co-defendants.

JMO

 

[SouthAussie]

Wow!

USA TODAY

Former President Donald Trump’s campaign said it has raised $7.1 million since Thursday, when he was arrested in Georgia on charges he tried to steal the 2020 presidential election.

Trump spokesperson Steven Cheung said the campaign raised $4.18 million on Friday alone, marking the its highest-grossing day so far.

Steven Cheung seems to think this is some big deal. For all we know, the donations could have come from a few big spenders/interested parties ... and some from little mug and t-shirt buyers.

The money will be gone in a hot minute, once Mr Trump starts paying the legal fees for himself, Mr Nauta, and any other chosen co-conspirators in his 4 impending court cases.

imo

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

I can't see house arrest as an option. He would never abide by the restrictions. And if all his houses have leans on them for legal fees, where will he go?

The White House? Lol

 

[Auntie Cipation]

If convicted and that’s a big if for me - I’m trying to figure out the logistics of that. How does it work with Secret Service? House arrest? idk

Once past the part about making sure he never holds office again, this question of the logistics is the part that most interests me.

I can think of two possibilities, neither ideal. One is house arrest (somewhere that isn't a social club), with the Secret Service tasked with not just protecting him from physical threats but also ensuring he remains on the premises.

The other option I'll guess is a "Club Fed" type prison, emptied of all but limited and select other (nonviolent/white collar only) prisoners, and a few Secret Service guys on, as someone said here earlier, "short shifts" -- maybe four shifts of six hours each, or similar, to follow him around or hang out outside his cell.

I suppose it's possible new laws will appear to account for this unusual situation. For example a law that says someone with Secret Service protection forfeits that protection when convicted in a court of law. I can see problems with that, but problems without it as well.

All MOO

 

[Arkay]

This massive case is about a sprawling conspiracy to subvert democracy itself and ensure Trump remained in power USING tweets, phone conversations, texts, emails, documents, and memos to plot, plan and coordinate multiple schemes. As such, those tweets, phone conversations, texts, etc now become evidence for the state to build its case in addition to what will probably be rather plentiful witness testimony.

Very much agree.

I‘m not certain why tweets, texts, and phone conversations would be considered frivolous when in fact they are hard evidence.

I think prosecutors in bygone years would have loved to have the durable evidence available today…tweets, texts and recorded phone conversations are proof positive of what a suspect has communicated to others.


If Donald had texted, tweeted and telephoned about innocuous things, or just moaned and groaned about losing the election, then voila! No crime. Just a crybaby loser.

However, since Donald could not accept that he lost the election and then lost 60 court cases, many with conservative Republican judges presiding, the texts, tweets, emails, documents, phone calls, are themselves concrete witness statements, better than eyewitness evidence, as to how he attempted to manipulate, threaten, cajole, plot, conspire, and other means he’s employed so he didn’t have to vacate the White House.

IMO and the evidence thus far.

 

[MyBelle]

What reason is Harrison William Prescott Floyd being held without bond? He's the guy who was sitting outside Shae's house, intimidating her.

I'm not sure how much intimidating he was doing. I read somewhere that he is a disabled Veteran (Marines) who lives with his wife and child while on VA disability.

I have also read that he ran for Congress in Georgia as a Republican. Maybe the Judge that denied the bail is a Democrat? smh

JMO

 

[Stunned]

If convicted, would Trump even be eligible under sentencing guidelines for a home arrest situation? How much latitude would a judge have with a RICO case?

One in 5 years. Non negotiatable.

 

[Vern]

Facts surrounding Floyd ... because Facts Matter:

Politics has zero to do with it. SMH.

(Respectfully bolded by me)

Harrison Floyd, denied bond in the current matter. Below very, very lengthy article that details the actions Floyd took and the fear caused to Ms. Freeman by him. There is also accompanying bodycam footage from LE as to the events. Let alone calling 911, Ms. Freeman was warned of risk to her by the FBI due to his activities and had to go into hiding for two months. Facts matter.

On Jan. 5, the day after Kutti met with Freeman, a group of pro-Trump protesters descended on Freeman’s home in a quiet residential neighborhood, according to a 911 call reporting the gathering and interviews with two neighbors.
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She fled after being warned of potential danger by an agent from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and remained in hiding for two months afterwards, Freeman said in an interview.

ATLANTA, Sept 8 (Reuters) - Georgia election worker Ruby Freeman didn’t recognize the man who banged on her door. Terrified, she called 911. She had reason to fear.
By the morning of Dec. 15, 2020, when she saw the stranger's red sedan parked in her driveway, she had received hundreds of threats from supporters of former U.S. President Donald Trump.
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Freeman's time was running out, he said, and he could help her and her daughter.
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After being rebuffed by Freeman, Lee contacted Harrison Floyd, who had run outreach to black voters for Trump’s 2020 campaign. Floyd arranged another visit to Freeman on Jan. 4, 2021, this time from Chicago publicist Trevian Kutti, who threatened Freeman with jail unless she provided information on election fraud, Reuters reported last December.
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After speaking with the chaplain, Floyd said he enlisted the help of Kutti, ...
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Floyd said Kutti agreed to visit Freeman. On the evening of Jan. 4, Kutti showed up at Freeman’s home with another man, a Georgia representative of the campaign coalition Black Voices for Trump.
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At one point, Floyd asked Freeman whether she had handled “honest ballots” on election night. During the discussion, “Freeman was pressured to reveal information under the threat of incarceration if she did not comply,” Willis said in her Sept. 2 court filing.
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Kutti told a police officer that the election worker "was in danger and had 48 hours to speak with her so that she could get ahead of the issue” and that “unknown subjects were going to be at” Freeman’s residence, according to a police report.
On Jan. 5, the day after Kutti met with Freeman, a group of pro-Trump protesters descended on Freeman’s home in a quiet residential neighborhood, according to a 911 call reporting the gathering and interviews with two neighbors.
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She fled after being warned of potential danger by an agent from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and remained in hiding for two months afterwards, Freeman said in an interview.
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“There is nowhere I feel safe,” she said. “Nowhere.”

Exclusive: Georgia probe into Trump examines chaplain's role in election meddling

Georgia election worker Ruby Freeman didn’t recognize the man who banged on her door. Terrified, she called 911. She had reason to fear.

www.reuters.com

Very glad to see that his fundraiser is doing well to provide him with a half decent defence however.

 

[MamaSleuth5]

Facts surrounding Floyd ... because Facts Matter:

Politics has zero to do with it. SMH.

(Respectfully bolded by me)

Harrison Floyd, denied bond in the current matter. Below very, very lengthy article that details the actions Floyd took and the fear caused to Ms. Freeman by him. There is also accompanying bodycam footage from LE as to the events. Let alone calling 911, Ms. Freeman was warned of risk to her by the FBI due to his activities and had to go into hiding for two months. Facts matter.

On Jan. 5, the day after Kutti met with Freeman, a group of pro-Trump protesters descended on Freeman’s home in a quiet residential neighborhood, according to a 911 call reporting the gathering and interviews with two neighbors.
...
She fled after being warned of potential danger by an agent from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and remained in hiding for two months afterwards, Freeman said in an interview.

Exclusive: Georgia probe into Trump examines chaplain's role in election meddling

Georgia election worker Ruby Freeman didn’t recognize the man who banged on her door. Terrified, she called 911. She had reason to fear.

www.reuters.com

Very glad to see that his fundraiser is doing well to provide him with a half decent defence however.

MOO I cannot imagine the terror Ms. Freeman must have been feeling, having protesters at her home, people speaking to her neighbors, being at so much risk that the FBI had to warn her, having to go into hiding, etc.. I hope with these indictments she now feels a measure of hope that justice is possible for the fear and intimidation that IMO she was experiencing. JMO

 

[no nonsense]

Meadows removal hearing is due to start at 10amEST tomorrow. 15:00BST and midnight AEST (sheesh I thought I had it bad being 5 hours ahead - you guys are dedicated).

17:00 for you, Niner.

(All based on googling so blame them if I'm wrong.)

IIRC the judge handling tomorrow’s case is an Obama appointee. Cross your fingers….