GA - Former President Donald Trump indicted, 10 counts in 2020 election interference, violation of RICO Act, 14 Aug 2023

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  • #461
If anyone in my state of Georgia is doing this, it is a felony and has been a felony for quite a while.
It's called "electioneering" and it's illegal in California as well. In fact part of setting up the polling place is posting signs 100' from the door to the polling place so that if anyone does want to come advocate for/against any candidate or a proposition on the ballot, they must stay farther away than the sign.
 
  • #462
From the same link:

"Multiple state and federal investigations found no evidence of voting fraud in the 2020 presidential election, and multiple recounts confirmed Biden’s victory in Georgia."
I don't believe there was any state investigation in Georgia because the Dominion system can't be audited.
JMO

From the same link:
Meanwhile, VoterGa is leading an online campaign on Georgiansfortruth.org to encourage people to contact local and state officials in support of a special legislative session to get rid of the electronic system.

It doesn’t matter if you are a Democrat, a Republican, or an independent, we’ve heard the distrust of electronic voting systems that have proprietary code that cannot be audited. We’ve seen the sloppy chain of custody protocols with unlimited mail-in ballots. The voter rolls are a mess. Hear the Dominion executive in his own words describe the accuracy of hand counting paper ballots. It’s time for a change.
 
  • #463
It's called "electioneering" and it's illegal in California as well. In fact part of setting up the polling place is posting signs 100' from the door to the polling place so that if anyone does want to come advocate for/against any candidate or a proposition on the ballot, they must stay farther away than the sign.
Ditto NY. Yet, I can bring my mom a bottle of water if she's standing in the hot sun for hours (and we get less hot than GA). People of all political stripes are encouraged to vote around here.
 
  • #464
If anyone in my state of Georgia is doing this, it is a felony and has been a felony for quite a while.
BBM. It became illegal in March, 2021 and is a misdemeanor.


“No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any person distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector,” the new law states.

The law applies within 150 feet of a polling place or within 25 feet of any voter at a polling place. Violators are guilty of a misdemeanor.
 
  • #465
Ditto NY. Yet, I can bring my mom a bottle of water if she's standing in the hot sun for hours (and we get less hot than GA). People of all political stripes are encouraged to vote around here.
It is so infuriating that we can't hand out water to other voters here. Our voting wait times are getting longer every election, hours long in some areas.
 
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BBM. Do you have a link?

Texas' Secretary of State and Attorney General rejected Dominion voting machines multiple times because of reliability issues. I believe both are Republicans.
JMO

Officials raised concerns for years about security of U.S. voting machines, software systems​

(The Center Square) – The Dominion Voting Systems, which has been used in multiple states where fraud has been alleged in the 2020 U.S. Election, was rejected three times by data communications experts from the Texas Secretary of State and Attorney General’s Office for failing to meet basic security standards.

Unlike Texas, other states certified the use of the system, including Pennsylvania, where voter fraud has been alleged on multiple counts this week.

AUSTIN — Under Texas law, all Texas counties are required to report early and Election Day results within 24 hours of polls closing on Election Night. Today, the Texas Secretary of State's office was informed that Harris County election officials would not be able to count and report results for all early and Election Day votes by the statutory deadline of 7:00 P.M. on Wednesday, March 2, 2022.






These are our voting machines. Texas law requires that votes be tabulated within 24 hours.
 
  • #468
BBM. It became illegal in March, 2021 and is a misdemeanor.


“No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any person distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector,” the new law states.

The law applies within 150 feet of a polling place or within 25 feet of any voter at a polling place. Violators are guilty of a misdemeanor.
My bad, was thinking of the intimidation law.
 
  • #469
It's called "electioneering" and it's illegal in California as well. In fact part of setting up the polling place is posting signs 100' from the door to the polling place so that if anyone does want to come advocate for/against any candidate or a proposition on the ballot, they must stay farther away than the sign.
We have the exact same rules in Texas. Criminal penalties are rare though.
We had someone parked within the 100 ft marker with a big campaign sign. I got the election judge.

Someone from his campaign said, "We can't move it". The judge said, "You better or it will be towed".

Usually the judge shoos them away. If it gets bad, the sheriff is called.
 
  • #470
Bears repeating, IMO.

Georgia's recount of PAPER BALLOTS upheld Biden's win there.

And it has been challenged and the lawsuit is moving forward. Bob Cheeley is one of the indicted co-defendants.


According to a news release, Henry County Superior Court Judge Brian Amero ordered about 147,000 absentee ballots from the Fulton case to be reviewed, but Jeffords’ case could not previously move forward until the standing issue was settled. Amero was presented evidence by Jeffords of numerous violations of the law, including multiple counting of votes and other inconsistent vote counting and reporting.

“This decision by a three-judge panel of the Georgia Court of Appeals is a landmark victory for transparency and accountability in government,” Bob Cheeley of the Cheeley Law Group in Alpharetta, Jeffords’ attorney, said in the release. “It represents common sense and is the first time in our country’s history that an appeals court has recognized that citizens of a state have standing to question important governmental functions such as the manner in which votes are processed and tabulated.”
 
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AUSTIN — Under Texas law, all Texas counties are required to report early and Election Day results within 24 hours of polls closing on Election Night. Today, the Texas Secretary of State's office was informed that Harris County election officials would not be able to count and report results for all early and Election Day votes by the statutory deadline of 7:00 P.M. on Wednesday, March 2, 2022.






These are our voting machines. Texas law requires that votes be tabulated within 24 hours.
My point was to your comment below. The party that was wary of the Dominion machines were the Republicans who rejected them.

JMO

As you know, Texas is basically a one party state. The minority party was the party that was wary of machines.
I feel that losing parties often feel the "system is rigged".
 
  • #472
It is so infuriating that we can't hand out water to other voters here. Our voting wait times are getting longer every election, hours long in some areas.
Are you allowed to hand out water beyond 150 ft?

In Texas, candidates are discouraged from handing out water, candy, trinkets etc, but it happens.
I'm a precinct chair (different states have different names)
So by definition, I'm partisan and outside the 100 ft marker.

I do have extra water "just in case", but don't hand it out routinely. I guess I just don't wanna cause anything to get the other party's panties in a wad. However, we do assist all voters in need. If someone needs to get to the front of the line, we get the judge. If someone is obviously thirsty and needs water, I will give them water.

I can go inside 100 ft if I'm not wearing any campaign/partisan type gear etc.

Most people bring their own water and really don't like being bothered by us or any campaigns! :D
 
  • #473
My point was to your comment below. The party that was wary of the Dominion machines were the Republicans who rejected them.

JMO

As you know, Texas is basically a one party state. The minority party was the party that was wary of machines.
I feel that losing parties often feel the "system is rigged".
Need to go back and read about Diebold voting machines.
 
  • #474
Georgia state senator wants a special session. I wonder if Kemp will comply.
JMO


Colton Moore, who represents District 53 in the Georgia Senate, wrote in a letter to Kemp that an “emergency exists in the affairs of the state” to call the session to review Fani Willis’ actions.

“America is under attack. I’m not going to sit back and watch as radical left prosecutors politically target political opponents,” the senator said on X (formerly Twitter). “We must strip all funding and, if appropriate, impeach Fani Willis.”
 
  • #475
Are you allowed to hand out water beyond 150 ft?

In Texas, candidates are discouraged from handing out water, candy, trinkets etc, but it happens.
I'm a precinct chair (different states have different names)
So by definition, I'm partisan and outside the 100 ft marker.

I do have extra water "just in case", but don't hand it out routinely. I guess I just don't wanna cause anything to get the other party's panties in a wad. However, we do assist all voters in need. If someone needs to get to the front of the line, we get the judge. If someone is obviously thirsty and needs water, I will give them water.

I can go inside 100 ft if I'm not wearing any campaign/partisan type gear etc.

Most people bring their own water and really don't like being bothered by us or any campaigns! :D
Looks like 150 feet here. If someone leaves the line to get more water, I would hope that our Southern hospitality would kick in and they would be able to get their spot back. And you are wonderful for helping people out. I've been thinking of applying for a position to work at the polls, but my patience isn't what it used to be lol.
 
  • #476
And it has been challenged and the lawsuit is moving forward. Bob Cheeley is one of the indicted co-defendants.


According to a news release, Henry County Superior Court Judge Brian Amero ordered about 147,000 absentee ballots from the Fulton case to be reviewed, but Jeffords’ case could not previously move forward until the standing issue was settled. Amero was presented evidence by Jeffords of numerous violations of the law, including multiple counting of votes and other inconsistent vote counting and reporting.

“This decision by a three-judge panel of the Georgia Court of Appeals is a landmark victory for transparency and accountability in government,” Bob Cheeley of the Cheeley Law Group in Alpharetta, Jeffords’ attorney, said in the release. “It represents common sense and is the first time in our country’s history that an appeals court has recognized that citizens of a state have standing to question important governmental functions such as the manner in which votes are processed and tabulated.”

The article is behind a paywall, but Cheeley was one of those indicted alongside Trump this week.
 
  • #477
The article is behind a paywall, but Cheeley was one of those indicted alongside Trump this week.
Robert Cheeley is one of the 19 defendants in the Georgia case. He is a lawyer charged with:

Violation of Georgia RICO Act
Conspiracy to Commit Impersonating a Public Officer
Conspiracy to Commit Forgery in the First Degree
Conspiracy to Commit False Statements and Writings
Conspiracy to Commit Filing False Documents
Solicitation of Violation of Oath by a Public Officer
False Statements and Writings
Perjury

Source: Georgia Indictment DocumentCloud
 
  • #478
Perhaps all of these cases are leading to enforcing the 14th amendment. Could be conviction/s would be necessary?

IANAL so I can’t be sure, but it would seem to me that he should ALREADY have been disqualified under the terms of the 14th amendment, section 3, as of Jan 6th, 2021.

I’m only guessing, but IMO the convictions, if he is convicted, aren’t even necessary to label him unfit to hold office at this present juncture. He disqualified himself by his actions that day and his ongoing actions post-January 6th.


I see it as two distinct issues—-Under the 14th amendment, Trump should be disqualified from running for office. Separately, IMO the trials should all continue, because he is charged with committing crimes.

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Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3:

"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."


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Here’s a link to lawyers who know and can reason it out:

 
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  • #479
IANAL so I can’t be sure, but it would seem to me that he should ALREADY have been disqualified under the terms of the 14th amendment, section 3, as of Jan 6th, 2021.

I’m only guessing, but IMO the convictions, if he is convicted, aren’t even necessary to label him unfit to hold office at this present juncture. He disqualified himself by his actions that day and his ongoing actions post-January 6th.


I see it as two distinct issues—-Under the 14th amendment, Trump should be disqualified from running for office. Separately, IMO the trials should all continue, because he is charged with committing crimes.



Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3:

"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."


Here’s a link to lawyers who know and can reason it out:

Two conservative legal scholars recently wrote that Trump is indeed disqualified from running for president based on the 14th amendment, section 3.

"They state explicitly that Section Three 'disqualifies former President Donald Trump, and potentially many others, because of their participation in the attempted overthrow of the 2020 presidential election.'”

"Every president, regardless of party, takes an oath to preserve and defend the Constitution of the United States. Enforcing the Disqualification Clause against an official who violated that oath is an act of patriotism, not partisanship."

 
  • #480
Even a bar certified constitutional lawyer would struggle to tell you if the 14th amendment could actually bar Trump...it's hotly contested by legal scholars on both sides. My understanding is using it would require each and every state to disqualify Trump so I personally think glittery pink piggies would fly backwards eating ice cream sundaes first and I'm generally an optimist. It would set off a firestorm of legal challenges and would ultimately need to be upheld by the Supreme Court and even IF that happened, would Trump and his supporters accept such a ruling? Or would it make J6 look like a kindergarten play in comparison?

IMO the only surefire way to have barred him from office was convicting him at one of his impeachment trials. Since that ship has obviously sailed, now America's best hope is that everyone eligible to vote does so.

The link below dives into the argument without being too chockful of legal jargon for those interested:


ETA: And by the way, I really really realllllllllllly wish I believed it would work. Were America not so polarized, if Republicans weren't in the business of protecting Trump, if supporters weren't manipulated, if the Supreme Court was reputable, etc, etc, etc.
 
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