GA GA - Jane, 45, Isabela, 19, & Anabelle Kuria, 16, Powder Springs, 1 Aug 2007

[Edwards20]

I agree Lola. I read numerous posts on the Paulding blog from co-workers stating that she was a wonderful nurse and strong woman. Of course this certainly would explain folks questioning the fact that there were NO boyfriends in the picture.

 

[Edwards20]

http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=101093&provider=top

Neighbors told police the last time they saw any family members was Monday evening at about 6:00, when the boys were seen playing outside.

A day and a half later, on Wednesday morning, the cousin's mother came to the door and saw someone lying on the floor and called 911.

Cobb police said the bodies had at least started decomposition, meaning the boys were seriously injured in the home for a period of time, apparently injured so severely they couldn't call for help.

The boys were unconscious when they were found.

How long does it take a body to start to decompose ? I am sure that the air temperature, etc. would factor in. They are implying a 1.5 day time period. Any thoughts ?

 

[Bobbisangel]

Family members want to take the surviving boys back to Kenya. : (

Maybe I misunderstood but I thought it said that the family wanted to take the mom and daughters back to Kenya. Maybe they want to bury them with the husband and father. I gather that the nephew lived in the states, If the little boy lives maybe the aunt and uncle..the parents of the nephew that was at the home visiting can adopt him. I hope so..and he darn well should be allowed to stay in the USA :banghead:

 

[Bobbisangel]

I believe that it is the son of the mother whose neck was broken as they heli'd him out of the first hospital that he was taken to and he is still in critical condition. I have read that the nephew didn't receive blunt force trauma and that his condition isn't as critical as the son's condition. It sounds like they tried to kill and left for dead Jane's son.

I would bet money that the girls were mutilated. I hope it was after they were dead. If I were LE I would start with the dead husband's brothers if he has any. If not, I would be looking at every single male in the dead husband's family. I'll bet it was males in the dead husband's family that took the lives of this wonderful family.

This just makes me sick. No wonder Jane took her family and ran. What kind of culture is that:furious: You have to marry one of your husband's brothers and you lose everything that you and your husband worked for if the husband dies. Good grief. They kidnapped Jane and mutilated her. How horrible and then killed her husband. That is a nightmare just because he wouldn't go back to that crooked outfit. Poor Jane. The nightmare and fear she must have lived even after she moved here. I wonder if she always feared they were going to catch up with her? They must have waited until they thought she would feel safe and then they struck.

I hope and pray the men who did this are caught and given the death penalty. I don't care what their beliefs are. That is just insane. Will little Jeremy ever be safe if he lives? Maybe a family not even related should adopt him and seal the adoption papers so no one can ever find him.

 

[Reannan]

If this is a revenge killing based on her past defiance of the Kenyan culture of female genital mutilation, I would love to have just five minutes alone in the room with these sick SOB's. I can't for the life of me understand a culture that would condone, and even be PROUD of doing something like this. What big, strong, men (and women) they are for mutilating innocent women and children! :furious:

WARNING! GRAPHIC DESCRIPTION OF FGM AHEAD!

From what I have read, there are several forms of FGM:
Type I - excision of the prepuce, with or without excision of part or all of the clitoris;
Type II - excision of the clitoris with partial or total excision of the labia minora;
Type III - excision of part or all of the external genitalia and stitching/narrowing of the vaginal opening (infibulation);
Type IV - pricking, piercing or incising of the clitoris and/or labia; stretching of the clitoris and/or labia; cauterization by burning of the clitoris and surrounding tissue;
scraping of tissue surrounding the vaginal orifice (angurya cuts) or cutting of the vagina (gishiri cuts);
introduction of corrosive substances or herbs into the vagina to cause bleeding or for the purpose of tightening or narrowing it; and any other procedure that falls under the definition given above.


And WHY do they do it?

The reasons given by families for having FGM performed include:

1) psychosexual reasons: reduction or elimination of the sensitive tissue of the outer genitalia, particularly the clitoris, in order to attenuate sexual desire in the female, maintain chastity and virginity before marriage and fidelity during marriage, and increase male sexual pleasure; (WTF???!!!)

2)sociological reasons: identification with the cultural heritage, initiation of girls into womanhood, social integration and the maintenance of social cohesion; (Yea, FGM is some impressive practice to bond a society together! Why can't they have a Mardi Gras parade or something joyful? How does the suffering of innocent people create social cohesion?)

3) hygiene and aesthetic reasons: the external female genitalia are considered dirty and unsightly and are to be removed to promote hygiene and provide aesthetic appeal; (so these people think keloid scars, incontinence, and extreme pain during childbirth are preferred over what Mother Nature created?)

4) myths: enhancement of fertility and promotion of child survival; (Now this makes absolutely no common sense to me).

5) religious reasons: Some Muslim communities, however, practise FGM in the belief that it is demanded by the Islamic faith. The practice, however, predates Islam. (charming)

You can read all of this yourself at the following link from the World Health Organization:
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en/

 

[Bobbisangel]

Thank you for the article. I couldn't figure out what the purpose of the whole horrible thing was. It doesn't make any sense except that the males dominate and I think the whole thing is about control. It sounds like the male's pleasure is what is most important and the woman is a baby making machine and that is her purpose in that area. I wonder if the women have to walk two steps behind the male when they walk together? This culture sounds a lot like Saudi. Women are nothing. I wonder how couples from these cultures adapt when they come over here to live?

 

[Lola]

C'mon Bobbisangel, this is not like Saudi any more than it is about any other country, it's about ignorance. Abuse of women and children is a world issue, not an African issue, not a Muslim issue, not even a poverty issue, it's for the most part a man on woman issue, but not always. Let's look a little closer to home.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/Womens_Human_Rights/Violence/page.do?id=1108440&n1=3&n2=39&n3=739

http://http://www.amnestyusa.org/women/custody/abuseincustody.html

 

[Mygirlsadie]

If this was someone from her dead husbands family that did this horrible crime how in the H*LL did they find her in Georgia? Someone she knows had to of told them her address...I am sure if she was already running from them in the first place she would not have her address or phone number ''public''....

 

[Bobbisangel]

C'mon Bobbisangel, this is not like Saudi any more than it is about any other country, it's about ignorance. Abuse of women and children is a world issue, not an African issue, not a Muslim issue, not even a poverty issue, it's for the most part a man on woman issue, but not always. Let's look a little closer to home.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/Womens_Human_Rights/Violence/page.do?id=1108440&n1=3&n2=39&n3=739

http://http://www.amnestyusa.org/women/custody/abuseincustody.html

Of course there is abuse everywhere. I am comparing it to Saudi because the women are nothing there. They have no rights and they do walk two steps behind their husbands. That is their culture and that is the way it is there. Women are nothing just like the culture of this woman Jane.

There are control freaks here too but you don't see every man dominating his wife. That is not how our whole culture operates. We don't walk two steps behind our husbands and we do have control of our lives as women in most families. If a husband dies here the wife doesn't have to marry her husband's brother even if he already has a wife and she doesn't lose everything that they gained together. That is not the law here. We have it good compared to the wives in this woman's culture and in Saudi. That is my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

 

[Lola]

Looks as though the feds are getting involved.

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=3975828&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1

 

[jantel74]

I'm glad the FBI is getting involved. I did find it odd that Jane's cousin that was speaking about the murders said that he didn't want the investigators looking for answers in Kenya. That it had nothing to do with that. How does he know? If a violent sect kidnapped her in Africa, they certainly could have killed her and the kids here in America. I once worked with a lady from Kenya. She was a very sweet person. At that time, she wanted to get married. She said she had to get married in Kenya. I remember she kept putting off the wedding because of too much violence going on in the area she was from. I was afraid for her at the time to go back to Kenya at all. Eventually, I lost touch with her.

 

[Txmom]

Years ago Readers Digest did a story on FGM, I almost threw up and to this day I still get goose bumps thinking of it. My heart goes out to those women, what a horrible and painful experience for them.

I believe that one of the major problems that we have is that the officials who decide who can receive asylum, have their heads up their rear ends because they just dont understand that these issues such as FGM is real.

And then, we have families coming to this country who REFUSE to abandon their "ways". We see murders because family members feel that daughters, wives, whomever, have embarrassed the family. It makes me want to say--go back to your country where you can practice all of this, but you are in the US and we dont do this in this country.

 

[Bobbisangel]

You are so right. If you bring shame on the family you are in big trouble if you are a girl or a woman. If you are a teenage girl and your family thinks that you have had sex with your boyfriend the father or brother or a family member can murder the teenager and they don't think any thing of it. You don't bring shame on the family. If we had that rule here most of us wouldn't have any daughters!

I agree, if they want to live their customs then go back to where ever and live them. I'll bet we find out that it was someone or more from that culture that came in and murdered this family. I would also guess that the girls were mutilated too. That in itself tells the whole story.

Has anyone heard how the little boys are doing or are they keeping it quiet?

 

[Lola]

This article is from this June. I agree that this is a barbaric practice, but clearly that is not a view held at least in Sierra Leone. How many of us think circumcision should be outlawed? We take is as given...done at the hospital.

S Leone bans child brides not FGM

 

[tennessee]

It is difficult to generate much outcry on something that doesn't happen on a daily basis here. It is a horribly disgusting practice and should not be happening to these young girls, ever. Period. Exactly what are we going to do to stop it from way over here?

Was someone at immigration asleep at the wheel? How did they not know what goes on in Kenya? Why wouldn't we want a successful family to become citizens and never have to return to such violence?

 

[Lola]

It is difficult to generate much outcry on something that doesn't happen on a daily basis here. It is a horribly disgusting practice and should not be happening to these young girls, ever. Period. Exactly what are we going to do to stop it from way over here?

Was someone at immigration asleep at the wheel? How did they not know what goes on in Kenya? Why wouldn't we want a successful family to become citizens and never have to return to such violence?

As callous as this sounds tennessee, I suspect that if it was accepted as a reason for asylum, there would be hundreds of thousands applying, but I agree, it needs to be stopped. In the UK you read about families taking their girls back to Africa on "vacations" and guess what...and often times it's the mothers and grandmothers that are responsible. Someone needs to explain that one!

 

[Edwards20]

http://www.paulding.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=113665&st=680

Aug 4 2007, 03:21 PM
I haven't heard anything new today, though it was reported last night that Jeremy is on life support. Other than that, I do not know.

 

[catsmeow]

There must be a reason that this is being kept so quiet. It's all very scary to me for these boys. It horrifies me to think that there is even a remote chance that the women would be sent back to Kenya for burial. As I see it, this could very well be used as an opportunity to show other Kenyan's that you don't try to RUN from tradition. Once their battered bodies are out of US hands, there is no telling what they will do. For all we know, they will celebrate their victory at having finally caught them and 'brought them to justice' for trying to escape tradition.

 

[Bobbisangel]

It is hard to understand why any family member would want the women to be sent to Kenya to be buried. Especially when they were running away from there in the first place. Not to mention the horrible things that happened to Jane in
Kenya. I wonder if these family members were related to the husband or to Jane!!!!?????? I wonder how close a look LE has given the relatives of the husband living in the USA?

 

[Bobbisangel]

No news about who murdered this family yet?