GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 1

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Okay, I have a question/statement about their wallets and pocketbook that were found at the home.
I wonder where Russell's wallet was located? Was it found on him?
If not, was it found in the bedroom, or a place that he would usually put it when he is getting ready for bed?( I would think he would have had his wallet on him if he was already dressed.)
I wonder what clothes Russell was wearing?
If he was in pajamas or a robe, that possibly could help the time line, of either in
the morning or late at night perhaps?
Usually active older people get up early in the mornings as well.
IMOO.
 
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I thought we had been told there was a security guard at the gate 24/7? Isn't that correct?

If there was, you can be assured that every guest that was allowed to enter would be written down somewhere. We have visited gated communities and we were required to wait while they verified we were allowed in...then they registered our names, vehicle and license plate in a book, along with who we were there to see.

I don't know that you could decapitate someone and clean it up to the point that is was totally undetectable. The blood would be everywhere....all over the criminal/s, all over the walls and floors, sinks, tubs, etc. You might could take 24 hours to clean it up, but luminol would lite that place up like a Christmas Tree....

I am not sure there was a guard at the guard shack 24/7.

But then I am of the opinion even if the perp or perps passed through the entrance they wouldn't even be stopped because they live there and would be facially recognized by the guards and just passed in and out. Guards can often become complacent too when nothing ever happens in the community to begin with.

I think he/she/they lived there and may have taken a boat out after they murdered and kidnapped Mrs. Dermond. They would know that the sound of a boat being out on the water in the middle of the night wouldn't be unusual. Then when returning from discarding the head and her body they could use a quiet trolling motor to return and then return to their home sight unseen.

What I am so afraid of is Sheriff Sills seems to be looking everywhere for the killer/abductor outside of the community when the answer could very well be found right in the middle of everyone that lives there. He seems to somewhat have developed tunnel vision.

I think the FBI profilers are going to tell him the perp or perps had to be very familiar with the entire layout of that community to do this undetected by anyone.

I absolutely do not believe this elderly couple was harmed by a drug cartel. There is nothing in their history that they have ever done anything illegal...much less be tied to a drug cartel. I also agree with the Sheriff and this wasn't done because of their son's murder 14 years ago either.

I have even wondered if whoever did this did it for the shock value and wanted that entire community to live in fear forever. Someone who may have rage and hatred for the wealthy elite and even the elderly. Often when perps are caught they have a history of a love hate relationship with a family member .such as a mother or grandmother.

Someone who perhaps has a grandparent(s) that got tired of bailing them out of trouble, and has kicked them out or cut their money supply off.

In cases like this the rage inside of the perp is often passed on to the innocent victims they murder. That is why we are seeing so many grotesque tortures being done to victims of home invasions that end up in murders of people the perp doesn't even know. IMO

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Greetings Sleuthers, first post after reading through the Thread. Such a strange and horrific case. Lots of compelling ideas so far. My time is limited today so this one quick post for now.
It seems the likely time frame in the murder (from what is public now) is Friday 5/2 (after newspaper delivery) until sometimes Saturday 5/3. Mr. D's body was found Tuesday 5/6. I am wondering about the weather conditions during the time 5/2 - 5/6 in the area of the home. We have had several periods of rain recently. Is it possible that blood, tracks, etc. been washed away by rainfall. Maybe someone local can recall the weather for that time. Knowing this will likely not give ultimate answers on what happened, but may be a factor on why blood or tracks are not present. Just something that ran through my mind as I was reading.

My thought was sprinklers. This is an exclusive golf course community and I'll bet the sprinklers are mandated to run at least 3 times a week by the HOA. HOAs don't like a brown lawn!
 
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I can't share exactly what I've found, and it's mostly just strange, but I would encourage people to dig on the linkedin stuff. Why is that there if it's incorrect? If he was involved in that company, why? Therapists are not known to be wealthy.They can make a decent living, yes, but unless there was some facility or actual MD involved or they are selling books, a booming business with multiple partners seems unlikely.
 
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I can't share exactly what I've found, and it's mostly just strange, but I would encourage people to dig on the linkedin stuff. Why is that there if it's incorrect? If he was involved in that company, why? Therapists are not known to be wealthy.They can make a decent living, yes, but unless there was some facility or actual MD involved or they are selling books, a booming business with multiple partners seems unlikely.

Could you elaborate a bit? I looked at the linkedin yesterday. As far as the business listed, I believe it's attached with a large ministry. And, I do believe the founder has written a book and sells articles.

Am I missing something? I just assumed it was a bogus listing.
 
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Could you elaborate a bit? I looked at the linkedin yesterday. As far as the business listed, I believe it's attached with a large ministry. And, I do believe the founder has written a book and sells articles.

Am I missing something? I just assumed it was a bogus listing.

I don't see anything online suggesting its a large ministry. The founder appears to write blog posts, but that would hardly make him rich. Maybe I am wrong but when I looked others that appeared to be connected to the company, things started to look weird. Particularly, I found on one site it said that the owner of the company was someone else. When I looked that person up on linkedin(this person appears to own another legit-looking business in the area) and the names connected with that persons page seemed very off.

I apologize if I've said too much. I'm trying to explain this without saying too much. I could be TOTALLY wrong. I just kept digging on this because of all the business connections. That always makes me consider money laundering.
 
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Though many of the lake properties are gated communities for the very well off, it is set in the most rural of rural areas. (Uncle Remus stories were written in this area...Eatonton, Georgia)

How someone keeps house is deemed very important as to character. To Southerners, that the house was immaculate is important information.

When I first heard of this, my ears pricked up as I had many customers on the lake (including Reynolds Plantation proper and the "Great Waters" development) from my satellite / Home Theater business.

Turns out the Dermonds were not costumers of mine, but the crime is so bizarre that I came here to see if someone started a thread. (I had registered awhile back to keep up with the Casey Anthony affair)

Sho 'nuff, here it is.

Anyway, you can almost (99.95%) bank on the fact that the perpetrators came in by water. When I would service my customers there, you HAD to check in at the 24 hour manned gate. They would stop you, ask where you were going, check a list to see if someone had your name there and call the resident if you were not on the log (and many times, even then). They then assigned you a one day color-coded pass that you stuck so it could be seen under your windshield.

When I heard about the decapitation and possible abduction, my mind reeled. This just makes NO sense for rural Georgia....

....until I learned (here at Websleuth) that they were originally from N.J.

There IS a Dixie Mafia, but this is not their style.

I think this is a "vengeance" hit. Something in the old man's past or the sons.

Keep up the good work, guys....I'll be lurking

Above, ^^^ someone speaks of their own experience at the entrance to the neighborhood the Dermond's lived in.

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First look for the obvious; a drug connection, financially who benefits, revenge for family past action.
 
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I guess I'm confused by the obvious...

Why take Mrs Dermond? and,

If a mob/cartel "message" killing... wouldn't it be likely that Mr Dermond's head would be sent/delivered to the intended recipient?
 
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I think the taking of the head may have been to obscure evidence. Yes I realize that's kind of a long shot theory, but what value is taking a head if you don't do something with it? Injuries to the head are what obviously caused Mr Dermond's death (at least before any tox screening comes back). Removal of the head is either symbolic, ritualistic, or done so LE doesn't have an important part of the evidence.
 
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I think the taking of the head may have been to obscure evidence. Yes I realize that's kind of a long shot theory, but what value is taking a head if you don't do something with it? Injuries to the head are what obviously caused Mr Dermond's death (at least before any tox screening comes back). Removal of the head is either symbolic, ritualistic, or done so LE doesn't have an important part of the evidence.

Me too. I think he would have taken the body if he had been able to, but for whatever reason *I think because he was alone and in a boat * he wasn't able to pick the man up and move him from the garage to the dock and get him inside he boat.
Putting the body in a car seems easier than beheading him to me.
They said the body had been moved a few feet.
I wonder if that is because this is a small man or possibly a teen I guess.
I can't see a teen managing to get away with so few clues
left behind.
Moo


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This is my first post on ws. I've been reading through this and I keep having the same thought. Its based on weak facts though. So I hope this isn't against tos. The son that was murdered, no obit can be found AFAIK and the mugshot comes up as someone of a different race. We also know he was in trouble with the law on multiple occasions with lengthy sentences and drug related. Could he have testified against someone higher up the drug chain than him and to protect him they reported him as murdered? Could he have been hiding in witness protection or something and someone found him and killed his parents as retaliation? This is PURELY SPECULATION. And I'm worried it's not appropriate to discuss but I just keep having the same thought as i read through...

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Ahh, yes! I am very familiar with this person.


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I'm not familiar with him but he seems to be very unpopular. His satisfaction rating is "poor" and apparently his prices are rich.
 
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