GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 1

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  • #561
Could be they just don't know to do that? I don't think I would have known the "things to do" before I joined WS.

I wonder if they have hired a PI.

They have decided that she is deceased IMO. I just found this statement.
"Losing them, he said, has left loved ones “devastated.” “We certainly would like to see some justice done.”
http://m.chronicle.augusta.com/latest-news/2014-05-10/decapitation-mystery-they-didnt-deserve

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  • #562
Maybe someone has an ancestry.com membership. They have death certificates archived on there. I saw my mother's from 1995 once when I was doing genealogical research. I think you have to pay to order a death certificate online, like a birth certificate so its not freely searchable on the internet otherwise.

My mother died in Fulton County Georgia May 2000 Hers is still online I found it on ancient faces.


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  • #563
Welcome to Websleuths! I think if MD were in a witness protection program White Pages would not have listed him as living at this Lake Oconee site. The gov. would have jerked that off the internet immediately.

Well, I know one thing -- it is sure hard to find a mugshot from MD's own record. I haven't found one yet, has anybody? And that weird thing with the photo on the GDOC web site offender search.

I wonder if someone could have submitted his name somehow to White Pages at that address -- as a threat, or a "we know how to get to you" threat.
 
  • #564
JMO. I don't think the state could charge, convict and imprison a person for a murder that never happened.
 
  • #565
Maybe it's how I read things, but I thought it was satirical in nature.
IMOO.

I read it the same way

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  • #566
I found that Russell Dermond was already added to Find A Grave, (May 7th)
and it does list his son, but that is because it is a "Calculated Relationship".
The son was listed on May 9th, burial unknown.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=129350580

It looks like whoever added them just added the information via news reports. There is no burial information listed for either of them. It doesn't list where either of them were buried. I don't think they have had the funeral yet? It is like they set it up so they can go back and fill in the information for the cemetery.
 
  • #567
Maybe it's how I read things, but I thought it was satirical in nature.
IMOO.

I didn't get that when I arrived at the main page, but I'm sure many posts could just be satire.

http://reynoldsplantationblog.com/


I guess I find it interesting to know what people think... whether they're poking fun or not
 
  • #568
JMO. I don't think the state could charge, convict and imprison a person for a murder that never happened.

I thought of this as well, and had a few silly scenarios in my head that I decided were best kept left in my own thoughts. But yes that's definitely a detractor to my theory.

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  • #569
I disagree with the Atlanta doc regarding a mentally ill white man. I bet the sheriff could tell you just about every mentally ill person in Putnam County, plus his neighboring sheriff in Greene County could do likewise.

The news has zeroed in to the wealthy at Lake Oconee, but this is NOT a true picture of Eatonton and Greensboro, GA. Here are city data links for both, notice the estimated median household income.

http://www.city-data.com/city/Greensboro-Georgia.html

http://www.city-data.com/city/Eatonton-Georgia.html

Anybody see anything indicating that doc is a forensic psychiatrist, or in any way particularly qualified to offer a criminal profile?

Media probably just asked him to comment, for a new angle, and he obliged, I guess.
 
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I thought of this as well, and had a few silly scenarios in my head that I decided were best kept left in my own thoughts. But yes that's definitely a detractor to my theory.

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Same here. But I guess if somehow that DID happen -- well, that would sure be enough to truly P-O someone!!
 
  • #572
How can Sills know for sure?
I thought he was stymied?
How does he really know some family member of someone that was involved in the shooting didn't crack and go after the parents? I agree it is unlikely.
The son would be 60 ish now.


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I wonder if it could be that MD did indeed die but that at some point thereafter someone appropriated his identity or aspects of it. Then maybe someone from his past BOUGHT that it was really him, and came looking...?

Seems to me that the deceased son of a wealthy family might make an enticing target for an identity thief.
 
  • #573
Same here. But I guess if somehow that DID happen -- well, that would sure be enough to truly P-O someone!!

Absolutely, esp if it was just discovered after SO many years.

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  • #574
This is so interesting. Its odd how many links they have to murders- their own, their son, and then it looks like friend or professional relationship to the father of a murderer. That seems excessive.

And if they were friends with the Dr, that's a little curious- they knew the heartache of Someone taking their sons life and then they are friends with folks who's son took away someone else's child. At the very least its? Ironic?

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I think it's Dr. Stathas, not Dr. Davis, that they may have a link with...? Or am I just totally confused now, LOL.
 
  • #575
Above, ^^^ someone speaks of their own experience at the entrance to the neighborhood the Dermond's lived in.
Thanks for the acknowledgement.

I have read through the thread now, and see that there is still not a feel for the layout of the land at the lake and Great Waters.

This is NOT an exclusive suburb like we see near metro areas. Those are usually fully fenced-in gated golf courses dotted with expensive McMansions on relatively small lots and where most of the (front yard) trees are mowed down for ease of construction then resod and (tastefully) landscaped.

In Great Waters (and the other Reynolds Plantation properties) , the Land Is King. The only trees that are removed are those that are absolutely necessary to allow the equipment and trucks need to complete the construction of the house. Even more so when you have the even more exclusive and expensive lake-front property.

This means that from most properties, there is a very good chance that you can neither see nor hear your neighbors. If you have seen some of the videos of the house taken from copters, it almost looks like a shot of the Amazon there is so much acreage of woods.

Also....the are very long subdivisions.

As y'all (I told you I was from Georgia :smile:) no doubt know by now, this is a man-made lake built by Georgia Power to generate electricity as its first purpose. Now if you are going to build a lake like this, you need a river that is running through a large valley. That means you are building through very hilly country.

That being the case, first there is a rather long road just to get to the entry. Once through, you are on roads that are just wide enough to allow two cars to pass. They are truly lanes. The first time I went there, there was a red fox just sauntering across the "road" pretty as you please. Populated...but remote.

Beside being narrow, since the location is so hilly, it is almost like a roller coaster driving around the property. Up a hill then.....'weeeee'...back down the other side. There are also speed bumps: mostly before golf cart paths that cross the road, but also at strategic places to slow you down before you could get in trouble with some of the sharp curves and steep hills.

IOW...this is not a place where there can be strangers just passing by or roaming around , a "home invasion" as typically known is impossible, if you are in a vehicle, you cannot go fast because of pure physics.

As to security cameras, I can't see them doing more than the guard house (and getting license plates) and maybe a few other places along the small roads where they cross (many by traffic circles). Most houses are so secluded that the home owner might place them around their property (front door, etc.) but would be useless at trying to see the road or other people's property.

As mentioned before, this is not a "retirement" community (as such) and, indeed, there are small children there. But it IS so expensive that take most moderately successful folks will have to take a lifetime of shrewd savings to afford it. So while there are people who will drive the two hour (or more) commute to Atlanta, most start out as weekend getaways with the goal being to retire permanently there, so they majority of residents are certainly seniors. It is not a upper crust snob community full of "show-offs"...pretty much the opposite, in fact.

Bottom line: (IMO, of course)

This was a well organized, targeted crime committed by (probably two or more) perpetrators coming and leaving via the lake.

Since more "normal" and conventional scenarios are impossible (or the probability of such approaching 'zero') then it was a meticulous planned and executed plot, or we need to give a little more credence to oceanblueeyes, scenario of a "thrill-kill" (think Leopold and Loeb).

Getting in and out would be very difficult for a "stranger", but a neighbor's unstable son (with or without accomplices) should certainly not be ruled out.
 
  • #576
I TOTALLY agree! For Sills to know that this murder didn't have anything at all to do with the Dermond's son's murder would imply that he knows what it DID have to do with...

In a strange coincidence, and boy are there ALOT of them in this case, I just realized that Sherry Staphas, wife to Dr. John Staphas of Life Development Center, worked at Coldwell Banker Lake Oconee, same as Vicki Stephens- the woman found dead in an apparent accident yesterday in the neighboring Lake Sinclair.


bbm: Curiouser and curiouser!!
 
  • #577
I think it's Dr. Stathas, not Dr. Davis, that they may have a link with...? Or am I just totally confused now, LOL.

Yes, Dr. Stathas is a licensed marriage therapist and lives by the Dermonds.

Dave Davis is a forensic psychiatrist who gave the profiling description.

Two totally different doctors!

As for a question posted earlier, a company called ISMG provides the security at Reynolds Plantation, or at least they did before the Metlife buyout of the subdivision. When I searched it, I was able to see individual security guards that work there. I guess the lack of good security at the plantation has been an issue there for many years.
 
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  • #579
Totally out of the box. I may get laughed or stoned out of here. However, what if the thing this person was after was his brain? I've got a few scenarios in my head. Nothing to really give substance to the thought other than some things that struck me as odd that I read in the blog of the dr that has been mentioned here. It is a tremendous, huge, giant leap.
 
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