GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #10

[Bootsctr]

Interesting thought! So, you're saying this would be someone with a real sword fetish... or knife fetish?

There were no swords and he murdered them anyway...

I could see Mr. D being real stubborn too about giving up ANYTHING to thieves. You don't stay in his type of businesses by being a pushover.

Following the Savopoulos' case in DC and Mr. S had some very expensive swords - marshal art swords - that still haven't been recovered. Tragic!

 

[watcher9]

Interesting thought! So, you're saying this would be someone with a real sword fetish... or knife fetish?

There were no swords and he murdered them anyway...

I could see Mr. D being real stubborn too about giving up ANYTHING to thieves. You don't stay in his type of businesses by being a pushover.

Following the Savopoulos' case in DC and Mr. S had some very expensive swords - marshal art swords - that still haven't been recovered. Tragic!

I wouldn't call it a fetish or an obsession.
They may have just wanted the swords for themselves or to sell them. Just like if someone had a collection of guns. I don't really know if it had anything to do with the swords or not. I was just trying to think of something a thief may have wanted and would kill for.

 

[Bootsctr]

I keep going back to the boat they sold earlier that year ? Maybe it was longer. That would have allowed perps to get a good lay of the land and water.

Also, there is always the love triangle motive.

 

[Bootsctr]

Home invasion in Atlanta ~ They're lucky to be alive.

An Atlanta couple have told of the terrifying moment four men pretending to have had car troubles burst into their home and robbed them at gunpoint, shooting the father-of-two in front of his children.

Mike and Whitney Lash had just returned to their house with their two young children on August 16 when the men knocked on their door.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-claiming-flat-tire-horror-home-robbery.html

 

[jonnyrock]

More musings. The Dermond murders were personal on so many levels, which leads me to believe the origin of these murders was also quite personal. Yet none of the surviving Dermond family members has (as far as we know) offered any clue as to a past disturbing incident or sharp conflict with another party known to the Dermonds that may benefit the investigation. There is one more Dermond family member but he cannot speak as he is deceased. Could something in his recent past have eluded the detectives apart from the drug purchase murder having nothing to do the Dermond murders? Could he have fathered a child around the time of his death?

 

[1&2&3]

Unfortunately, in today's world, nothing is as it seems. The game of life we play in daily living is using our intuition to the best of our ability in making decisions in unknown or unusual circumstances. Too many times, lately, we are not given the opportunity to even make this decision. One of these evil thrill seekers has made the decision for us to be the pawn in his game!

He/they usually do a darn good job in their kill and miraculously skip detection.

 

[1&2&3]

More musings. The Dermond murders were personal on so many levels, which leads me to believe the origin of these murders was also quite personal. Yet none of the surviving Dermond family members has (as far as we know) offered any clue as to a past disturbing incident or sharp conflict with another party known to the Dermonds that may benefit the investigation. There is one more Dermond family member but he cannot speak as he is deceased. Could something in his recent past have eluded the detectives apart from the drug purchase murder having nothing to do the Dermond murders? Could he have fathered a child around the time of his death?

I have often wondered if this was connected with the guy serving time for murdering their son. Having been a drug deal gone wrong, these dealers have big connections. Let time pass, so it does not seem suspicious, their connections could do a double murder, clean like this one was done, leaving nothing behind. This murder was not just a spur of the moment killing, a lot of planning went into it.

It may not make sense to us, but people in the drug world do not think like we do either. Revenge to the parents for being in prison is enough for the one serving time. You know, have to get back at someone, it is always someone else's fault. And having rich parents, well, why not?

My opinions only....there was a reason for these murders.

 

[DAMIFINO]

I have often wondered if this was connected with the guy serving time for murdering their son. Having been a drug deal gone wrong, these dealers have big connections. Let time pass, so it does not seem suspicious, their connections could do a double murder, clean like this one was done, leaving nothing behind. This murder was not just a spur of the moment killing, a lot of planning went into it.

It may not make sense to us, but people in the drug world do not think like we do either. Revenge to the parents for being in prison is enough for the one serving time. You know, have to get back at someone, it is always someone else's fault. And having rich parents, well, why not?

My opinions only....there was a reason for these murders.

I agree that there was a plan and reason, however warped it may be, for the killings and the manner of the killings.
Remember that SS said something early on about he didn't know who the killers were but when he gets them, he will know that it is them. Like, there is some evidence that will prove it. Wish he would throw us another tidbit!

 

[True Crime Lover]

I still feel that I know who the perps are. Have gathered much evidence long time ago. My profile pic says it all. I don't know if it will ever be solved because of the sheriff's ego. If it were my family, I would demand that a second pair of eyes (at a minimum) be brought in.

 

[DAMIFINO]

I still feel that I know who the perps are. Have gathered much evidence long time ago. My profile pic says it all. I don't know if it will ever be solved because of the sheriff's ego. If it were my family, I would demand that a second pair of eyes (at a minimum) be brought in.

TCL, that is intriguing! I get the wolf in sheep's clothing part but if you have ever posted your theory of the identity of the perp, I could not find it. Would you like to share this info or point us in the direction?

 

[Foxfire]

Home invasion in Atlanta ~ They're lucky to be alive.

An Atlanta couple have told of the terrifying moment four men pretending to have had car troubles burst into their home and robbed them at gunpoint, shooting the father-of-two in front of his children.

Mike and Whitney Lash had just returned to their house with their two young children on August 16 when the men knocked on their door.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-claiming-flat-tire-horror-home-robbery.html

Yes, they are very lucky, Bootsctr.. This is becoming so commonplace in Atlanta and other major cities. I can remember talking to a grip on a movie crew from LA/CA in the late 1970s. He told me about a new trend in home robberies/home invasions in LA. I also remember thinking that this would never happen in Atlanta, GA. He was referring to home invasion robberies. Times, they-are-a-changin..

Unfortunately, in today's world, nothing is as it seems. The game of life we play in daily living is using our intuition to the best of our ability in making decisions in unknown or unusual circumstances. Too many times, lately, we are not given the opportunity to even make this decision. One of these evil thrill seekers has made the decision for us to be the pawn in his game!
He/they usually do a darn good job in their kill and miraculously skip detection.

Yes, 1&2&3, the intuition that you speak of is our 6th sense. We all have it at a young age which is enhanced at maturity.. Many folks ignore this critical natural fight or flight instinct. My unsolicited advice is; 'DON'T'..

I still feel that I know who the perps are. Have gathered much evidence long time ago. My profile pic says it all. I don't know if it will ever be solved because of the sheriff's ego. If it were my family, I would demand that a second pair of eyes (at a minimum) be brought in.

Yes, True Crime Lover.. A critical second pair of eyes, which should have been requested from day one; 'The Georgia Bureau of Investigation'..
'TCL, your profile pic has multiple meanings'..

TCL, that is intriguing! I get the wolf in sheep's clothing part but if you have ever posted your theory of the identity of the perp, I could not find it. Would you like to share this info or point us in the direction?

DAMIFINO, imo everyone is sharing some very interesting thoughts. Keep the conversation going.. "Awareness is the key"..

 

[Foxfire]

I was thinking about the msm TV News chat line that Sheriff Sills participated in several months ago. People were asked to post questions to SS. He answered a few, but when the hard questions were submitted, he dropped off the chat without responding further..
The transcript of the chat was never posted. This speaks volumes, imo..

 

[DAMIFINO]

I was thinking about the msm TV News chat line that Sheriff Sills participated in several months ago. People were asked to post questions to SS. He answered a few, but when the hard questions were submitted, he dropped off the chat without responding further..
The transcript of the chat was never posted. This speaks volumes, imo..

OK, so did he clam up about what he knows, what he doesn't know, what he doesn't want known that he knows..what? Do you think he knows who the killer was but doesn't have the evidence he needs and is waiting for something to happen that would be the proof?

After this time has elapsed, it looks more like the murder was a meticulously planned thing. They had the tools they needed, had the skills to do the job and got in and out without being caught.
Without the bizarre part about the head, this would not be a crime that captures the imagine to the extent that it does. Why was Mr. D decapitated and what happened to his head? I don't think they would take the time to carefully remove the head and then throw it in the lake. I think that it was either a trophy or proof that the job was done. Either way, they had to get the head to somewhere else. How would you transport a human head? A bloody dripping and soon smelling human head. Packed in ice in a cooler? In a container with formaldehyde or alcohol? And then what?

 

[Foxfire]

OK, so did he clam up about what he knows, what he doesn't know, what he doesn't want known that he knows..what? Do you think he knows who the killer was but doesn't have the evidence he needs and is waiting for something to happen that would be the proof?

After this time has elapsed, it looks more like the murder was a meticulously planned thing. They had the tools they needed, had the skills to do the job and got in and out without being caught.
Without the bizarre part about the head, this would not be a crime that captures the imagine to the extent that it does. Why was Mr. D decapitated and what happened to his head? I don't think they would take the time to carefully remove the head and then throw it in the lake. I think that it was either a trophy or proof that the job was done. Either way, they had to get the head to somewhere else. How would you transport a human head? A bloody dripping and soon smelling human head. Packed in ice in a cooler? In a container with formaldehyde or alcohol? And then what?

DAMIFINO, I agree the head wasn't dismembered to simply discard in the lake.

Hopefully SS clammed up about what he knows, what he doesn't know, what he doesn't want known that he knows, DAMIFINO..
I think that SS knows the motivation for this heinous crime, the organization involved, as well as likely knowing why the head was taken. I just can't discuss any more specifics without getting into trouble..

 

[True Crime Lover]

Mr. D's head was taken because there was a bullet lodged in his head which may be traced back to a specific gun. Sheriff even made a smartass comment something like why else would they take the head. Also, it was said, but then retracted, that Mr. D had gunshot to head. The only way they could have known that is if there was gunshot residue and/or specific blood spatter pattern on his shoulders. If it was GSR, this would mean that he was shot at close range. IMHO
Regarding my pics, when you have a question, look to the Bible. The answer will be crystal clear.

 

[Foxfire]

Mr. D's head was taken because there was a bullet lodged in his head which may be traced back to a specific gun. Sheriff even made a smartass comment something like why else would they take the head. Also, it was said, but then retracted, that Mr. D had gunshot to head. The only way they could have known that is if there was gunshot residue and/or specific blood spatter pattern on his shoulders. If it was GSR, this would mean that he was shot at close range. IMHO

True Crime Lover, I can't remember SS stating that Mr D died due to a gunshot wound to the head.. Do you have a link, please..

Coroner: Dermond died from head trauma..
http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/local/hancock/2014/05/09/putnam-murder-autopsy-report/8893493/
Putnam County Coroner Gary McElhenney says Russell Dermond died from cranial cerebral trauma. That is the official cause of death listed on the autopsy.

Friday morning McElhenney told 13WMAZ's Anita Oh, cranial cerebral trauma means the cause of death was some sort of wound to the head, but they won't know exactly what until they find the head. McElhenney says that hasn't happened yet.

Dermond's body did not have any gunshot wounds, stab wounds, or bruising. The coroner says there was no indication of a struggle.

The blood splatter at the murder scene confirms that Dermond was beheaded after his death. McElhenney says there would have been more blood if the beheading had happened while Dermond was still alive.
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Autopsy: Elderly Ga. man was dead before head was severed
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/autopsy-elderly-georgia-man-dead-when-head-was-cut-off/

ATLANTA - Authorities say an autopsy showed an 88-year-old Georgia man was already dead when his head was cut off.

Putnam County Deputy Coroner Marcus Turner says authorities believe Russell Dermond died of a head or brain injury.
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Georgia elderly man decapitated, wife missing; authorities seek clues
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/08/justice/georgia-elderly-man-decapitated-wife-missing/
Details of the case have baffled investigators.

"You've got such unusual circumstances here," Sills said. "If it's an abduction, you would expect some sort of extortion demand. If it was an assassination, you'd think both bodies would be there. And then you have, totally, nothing in their background that indicates anything like this, and then the area where it happened is not indicative of any type of homicide."

 

[Suthrnqt]

Mr. D's head was taken because there was a bullet lodged in his head which may be traced back to a specific gun. Sheriff even made a smartass comment something like why else would they take the head. Also, it was said, but then retracted, that Mr. D had gunshot to head. The only way they could have known that is if there was gunshot residue and/or specific blood spatter pattern on his shoulders. If it was GSR, this would mean that he was shot at close range. IMHO
Regarding my pics, when you have a question, look to the Bible. The answer will be crystal clear.

I do not recall the COD ever being released as GSW. Do you have a link where this is stated? TIA
Also, I would love to hear your theory on the perp(s) identity. As I am not a Bible reader, I have no clue what you are hinting. Please share.

 

[True Crime Lover]

In answer to yall's questions:

I believe that everything that sheriff has said is absolutely true. Unfortunately, he has said so little.

http://www.11alive.com/story/news/l...onee-russell-dermond-shirley-dermond/9394325/

Sills said that he believes Dermond was decapitated in an attempt to hide evidence.

"If I shot you in the head and the bullet is in your head, that's evidence," Sill said. "We can retrieve a bullet from a head and most times the lab can tell us within two to three manufactures who made that weapon."

http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/lo...onths-dermond-case-still-stalemated/16642999/

"I personally think that the head was removed to conceal evidence," says Sills. There was something about that head that they didn't want us to see."

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2014/05/23/dermond-murder-mystery-beheading-georgia-lake-oconee

Investigators looking into the murders of Russell and Shirley Dermond say the crime appears to be "personal."
That's what the FBI told our Atlanta affiliate this week.

This apparently was before the FBI was rebuffed by sheriff. I absolutely believe that this is true also.

http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/lo...onths-dermond-case-still-stalemated/16642999/

Sills says the circulating rumors that their death was related to the mafia or a drug cartel are not true, "These people have no criminal background or association at all that we can find," he explains.

There are some good sites with searchable access to the Bible. Here are two:

https://www.biblegateway.com/

http://biblehub.com/

Matthew 7:15 is a good place to start. Also for more information, see 2 Peter 2:1.

Please forgive me for probably not using good WebSleuths features but I am trying to answer questions quickly. I am actually working on another case, and it's a doozy! It may (or may not) be publicized on all over the media. The family values their privacy greatly and prefer that the matter be handled as privately as possible. But the proverbial ***** may hit the fan soon. I just don't know. Most here have brilliant minds that don't miss a thing, and y'all may be extremely helpful in finding anything overlooked. Would y'all be interested in this to the extent that it is able to be published?

 

[DAMIFINO]

DAMIFINO, I agree the head wasn't dismembered to simply discard in the lake.

Hopefully SS clammed up about what he knows, what he doesn't know, what he doesn't want known that he knows, DAMIFINO..
I think that SS knows the motivation for this heinous crime, the organization involved, as well as likely knowing why the head was taken. I just can't discuss any more specifics without getting into trouble..

So, Foxfire, does this go back to your original hypothesis? I know what that was!

 

[Foxfire]

So, Foxfire, does this go back to your original hypothesis? I know what that was!

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DAMIFINO, my original hypothesis has changed at least a half dozen times. I primarily follow crimes where sexual predators, and or serial killers are indicated. Initially I try to keep a very open mind and let the evidence, info, and other indicators lead to a hypothesis. I'll be honest with you, after sleuthing and researching more cases than I can count over the past decade. I've never ran across a crime, as well planned and executed, or an investigation even close to being as complicated as the Dermond murders.

This case has all the markings of a confidence scheme or scam planned by a master psychopathic conman..