GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #10

[Foxfire]

Quote Originally Posted by Vedder View Post
I don't think the perp(s) were there all day, only because the house was so neat.

my thoughts too vedder

Imo, there was a reason that Sheriff Sills, assisted by other Sheriff Departments searched the five acre wooded tract of land next door to the D's home, several days after the murders. Lately, I have been kicking around the possibility, or even the probability of a 3rd unknown and unidentified crime scene nearby the Dermond residence where they were held and the decapitation performed. Likely inside the RP/Great Water gates, imo.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I don't think the bit about someone hearing voices from or around the house within the pertinent time frame was ever in MSM. It was passed along by a poster, I believe -- someone claiming to know, IIRC -- possibly (I'm not sure) the same poster who first said Russell was found in pajamas and a robe. We discussed it a good bit, back then -- but the original post finally was removed, I believed.

info all over the internet, msm or no, but
FF posted something in that regard

Also, if the person was correct about the robe and pjs and was the same who posted about the voices, then he/she may be correct, as recently it was posted that he/she was indeed correct after SS reported to media the same

 

[Foxfire]

So more thoughts takes us right back to square one, if we consider they arrived by morning and also left during daylight

Did they take her by car or boat?
How did they get into RP/GW?

we know the cameras weren't operating at the entrance

Even if they knew this, and this was a preplanned scenario, not some random act by getting in with the D's cars
they would have been questioned at the gate

UNLESS, they were in a maintenance truck of some sort

or some kind of police attire or badge

I suppose it would really confuse the investigation further if they came and went by car yet dumped her in the lake, it naturally gives the appearances that someone arrived and/or left by boat

BUT If they had not intended for her to be discovered, and had not been, then no one would ever have suspected a boat at all, it would just appear as a kidnapping and you assume a car was used

SHe may have been discovered come October 2015 if she hadn't already been, when the lake will be lowered, assuming she was close to shore within 100ft orin shallow water beyond that

And did the perps know about the lake drawdown?


I think she was not dumped AT the dam because she would have been discovered due to water movement and crew at the dam (whoever or however many work there IDK but the station is there

So with block and tree stumps the intent was for her never to be found

I can't imagine more confusion than there is already......... had she not been found

<BBM for Focus>

Or the continuing news coverage due to the murder and decapitation of 88 year old MR D, combined with the mystery of 87 year old Mrs D vanishing.. The perps must have calculated that this heinous/horrific crime of elderly victims, in a secure gated affluent community, would be the lead story on the local/national msm news for weeks/months and possibly years.. jmo
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<BBM>

&#8216;THAT CASE&#8217;

These days there are few places the sheriff can go without someone recognizing him and asking about &#8220;that case.&#8221;

Last May, some of Sills&#8217; news conferences about the Dermond killings were aired live on Atlanta news channels. He became the face of an unsolved crime that fascinated viewers and newspaper readers across the region.

Not long ago, Sills was at a restaurant in Chattanooga, Tennessee, when a woman walked up and asked, &#8220;Are you a police officer?&#8221;

&#8220;Yes, ma&#8217;am,&#8221; he replied before emphasizing where. &#8220;I&#8217;m the sheriff of Putnam County, Georgia.&#8221;

&#8220;Yeah,&#8221; the woman said, &#8220;you&#8217;re the one with that case.&#8221;

And it has worn on him.

He has passed up vacations, worked weekends and spent countless hours late at night trying to unearth a thread that leads to a suspect.

Read more here: http://www.macon.com/2015/05/02/3726718_new-details-as-mystery-reigns.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy
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Pulitizer Prize winning Angels & Demons
by Thomas French
St. Petersburg Times.

One year had gone by since the murders, and then another, and now the investigators were deep into a third. They were working day and night, working weekends, putting off vacations, losing weight, gaining weight, growing pale and pasty and haggard, waking at
3 a.m. with a jolt and scratching notes on pads beside their beds.

Their sergeant did not know if they would ever find the answer. As far as he was concerned, the case was not even in their hands.
Ultimately, he believed, it was up to God whether they made an arrest.

A born-again Christian, the sergeant carried a Bible in his briefcase. He had no doubt that both heaven and hell were real. He saw good and evil not as theoretical or philosophical concepts, but as absolute realities walking upright through the world. He believed in the forces of light and darkness. He believed in demonic possession. He took it as a matter of fact that Satan and his cohorts currently reigned over the Earth.

"I believe there are demons all around us," he would say, "just as I believe there are angels all around us."

And when he looked at the evidence from the case before them now, studied the photos of the bodies and the ropes and the concrete blocks, the sergeant had no doubt that he and the other investigators were pursuing someone driven by Satanic forces.

Of course demons were real. They were hunting one now.

http://www2.sptimes.com/Angels_Demons/sunset.2.html

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Imo, there was a reason that Sheriff Sills, assisted by other Sheriff Departments searched the five acre wooded tract of land next door to the D's home, several days after the murders. Lately, I have been kicking around the possibility, or even the probability of a 3rd unknown and unidentified crime scene nearby the Dermond residence where they were held and the decapitation performed. Likely inside the RP/Great Water gates, imo.

So that would seem to imply that the perps indeed had access to GW/RP, workers or residents. I'm going to look at maps and boat launches nearby, if any

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

http://binged.it/1GDTuFP

google map of cove

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

http://qpublic7.qpublic.net/qpmap4/...7&layers=parcels+streetnum+roads+parcel_sales

just type in Reynold Plantation or Oconnee Golf Company to search owner name

THERE IS PLENTY OF GOLF COURSES fronting the lake, anyone with a RP vehicle could appear to be working after hours, a boat could easily beach on one of the many shores to load a body but no one would even see them IMO

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

<BBM for Focus>

Or the continuing news coverage due to the murder and decapitation of 88 year old MR D, combined with the mystery of 87 year old Mrs D vanishing.. The perps must have calculated that this heinous/horrific crime of elderly victims, in a secure gated affluent community, would be the lead story on the local/national msm news for weeks/months and possibly years.. jmo
_____________________________
<BBM>

&#8216;THAT CASE&#8217;

These days there are few places the sheriff can go without someone recognizing him and asking about &#8220;that case.&#8221;

Last May, some of Sills&#8217; news conferences about the Dermond killings were aired live on Atlanta news channels. He became the face of an unsolved crime that fascinated viewers and newspaper readers across the region.

Not long ago, Sills was at a restaurant in Chattanooga, Tennessee, when a woman walked up and asked, &#8220;Are you a police officer?&#8221;

&#8220;Yes, ma&#8217;am,&#8221; he replied before emphasizing where. &#8220;I&#8217;m the sheriff of Putnam County, Georgia.&#8221;

&#8220;Yeah,&#8221; the woman said, &#8220;you&#8217;re the one with that case.&#8221;

And it has worn on him.

He has passed up vacations, worked weekends and spent countless hours late at night trying to unearth a thread that leads to a suspect.

Read more here: http://www.macon.com/2015/05/02/3726718_new-details-as-mystery-reigns.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy
________________________

Pulitizer Prize winning Angels & Demons
by Thomas French
St. Petersburg Times.

One year had gone by since the murders, and then another, and now the investigators were deep into a third. They were working day and night, working weekends, putting off vacations, losing weight, gaining weight, growing pale and pasty and haggard, waking at
3 a.m. with a jolt and scratching notes on pads beside their beds.

Their sergeant did not know if they would ever find the answer. As far as he was concerned, the case was not even in their hands.
Ultimately, he believed, it was up to God whether they made an arrest.

A born-again Christian, the sergeant carried a Bible in his briefcase. He had no doubt that both heaven and hell were real. He saw good and evil not as theoretical or philosophical concepts, but as absolute realities walking upright through the world. He believed in the forces of light and darkness. He believed in demonic possession. He took it as a matter of fact that Satan and his cohorts currently reigned over the Earth.

"I believe there are demons all around us," he would say, "just as I believe there are angels all around us."

And when he looked at the evidence from the case before them now, studied the photos of the bodies and the ropes and the concrete blocks, the sergeant had no doubt that he and the other investigators were pursuing someone driven by Satanic forces.

Of course demons were real. They were hunting one now.

http://www2.sptimes.com/Angels_Demons/sunset.2.html

it'll be the death of him, I hope not, but can you imagine every waking moment, for a year, trying to wrap your head around who did this and where to look next for clues and every direction you do take is a dead end?

ANd then the PRESSURE OF THE COMMUNITY, whether people blame him or applaud him, the PRESSURE IS THERE on him, wanting to solve it, hoping to solve it, trying to solve it, and the musings in your head if you do, the musings in your head if you don't and YES the news coverage, the judgment and thoughts of the community, pressure to give us more morsels

Hate to be in his shoes, why he needs all the help he can get IMO

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

hmm, hiding in plain sight?

https://www.reynoldsplantation.com/play-here/marinas

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

lakeview boat ramp and park

5 miles from carolyn dr, north of them however, greensboro ga
http://binged.it/1GE7q2A


boat ramps oconee

http://www.fishoconee.com/pages/oconee/oconee_map.html
http://www.exploregeorgia.org/listing/3472-old-salem-park
5-10 miles and more from carolyn dr



map of RP, can't tell which ramps or marinas are actually IN RP and I cna't tell what is just lake oconee and what is RP, GW is mapped and various activity areas, looks like it spreads out over both sides of lake oconee, so they use 44 to cross, where is the protection?

https://www.bing.com/images/search?...N./u2uinSvFIncs3wqKDc12Q&mode=overlay&first=1

 

[watcher9]

hmm, hiding in plain sight?

https://www.reynoldsplantation.com/play-here/marinas

Your pontoon theory makes good sense to me. How would the maneuverability of one work in the cove? Would their dock be on the same level as the pontoon floor? I remember part of it was up higher with a sitting bench seat on it. I wonder if they sat out there a good bit?

This site you posted lists pontoon boat rentals, along with kayaks and canoes. Are these available at each of the marinas? It was still early in the year so I wonder how many were rented out that week/weekend? Does the lake have any rules about camping out on the waters of the lake for any length of time?
Maybe they need to spray luminol on them? Would fish blood show up too?

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Your pontoon theory makes good sense to me. How would the maneuverability of one work in the cove? Would their dock be on the same level as the pontoon floor? I remember part of it was up higher with a sitting bench seat on it. I wonder if they sat out there a good bit?

This site you posted lists pontoon boat rentals, along with kayaks and canoes. Are these available at each of the marinas? It was still early in the year so I wonder how many were rented out that week/weekend? Does the lake have any rules about camping out on the waters of the lake for any length of time?
Maybe they need to spray luminol on them? Would fish blood show up too?

I ws thinking some of the same, he'd be chasing his tail, I dont' know how much they can do unless it's a crime scene or something, or suspicion or witness etc, maybe somenoe else knows. Not all marinas have boat rentals, that one does, Im sure some others but I'm mainly on the sinclair side, other side of the dam

yes people camp out and pull up boats to the shore, RP is large place with lots of golf and other raw land that if someone is out there at night, no one would know a thing, just brainstorming still!

I was thinking maybe an inside job when I brought up the marina, STS, or someone that works on RP somewhere, maybe at a marina or ANYWHERE really

well it depends on how far in the cove you go or you beach the boat, the pontoons are like canoes basically, that the floorboard sits on top of, the boat sits pretty level with the docks, sometimes higher sometimes lower depending on the dam flow in or out or rainfall etc

They can maneuver like anything else, and then there's always reverse, the cove is probably deep until right at the end where it tapers up to shore I'd imagine, we beach the boat on islands sometimes, just drive up and slide onto the shore, then push or reverse it off the beach, that said, coves aren't a problem

 

[Foxfire]

Hey dancinunderthemoon.. Thanx for sharing all the info..
I've been researching Lake Oconee and the Wallace dam.. Interesting..I didn't know that Lake Oconee serves as a reservoir for Georgia Power Company's Wallace Hydroelectric Plant.
I imagine the current is fairly strong in the direction of the dam when the spillways are open.. The cove depth at the Dermond's home is between 20' & 30' deep according to a previous msm article. I am still debating whether the location where Mrs D's remains were located was the actual body dump site or if she drifted until reaching the treetops, despite the cinder block anchors.

Lake Oconee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Oconee

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Hey dancinunderthemoon.. Thanx for sharing all the info..
I've been researching Lake Oconee and the Wallace dam.. Interesting..I didn't know that Lake Oconee serves as a reservoir for Georgia Power Company's Wallace Hydroelectric Plant.
I imagine the current is fairly strong in the direction of the dam when the spillways are open.. The cove depth at the Dermond's home is between 20' & 30' deep according to a previous msm article. I am still debating whether the location where Mrs D's remains were located was the actual body dump site or if she drifted until reaching the treetops, despite the cinder block anchors.

Lake Oconee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Oconee

Your welcome and yes it does, they have already shut down the coal plant, seems as if water is higher now since that but IDK how all that works

I've seen cinder blocks move with a buoy on them but that is with very heavy traffic in the summer time, and rarely, if something is attached to it that is heavy, it will move it if heavy traffic, I dont think she was found AT the dam, anyway, there is a long, rope or something like in a swimming pool cording it off, I haven't ever ventured near the dam, so I dont know how bad the pull is, say, 500 feet away or more and again, I'm not certain how all that works,

There is movement in the rivers but not very strong, but trash does float down or logs ocassionally if the water level from rains has gotten it high over the island banks

I still am not sure where she was found, thought it was closer to long shoals/lawrence shoals but still not sure if was as close as I'd originally thought, Is there a location map where she was discovered? just real curious how close to Long shoals it was actually, or if closer to another I posted, a few only 5 miles from carolyn dr, one was north and one was south of carolyn IIRC, I KNOW long shoals would be the PERFECT place to not be discovered

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Hey dancinunderthemoon.. Thanx for sharing all the info..
I've been researching Lake Oconee and the Wallace dam.. Interesting..I didn't know that Lake Oconee serves as a reservoir for Georgia Power Company's Wallace Hydroelectric Plant.
I imagine the current is fairly strong in the direction of the dam when the spillways are open.. The cove depth at the Dermond's home is between 20' & 30' deep according to a previous msm article. I am still debating whether the location where Mrs D's remains were located was the actual body dump site or if she drifted until reaching the treetops, despite the cinder block anchors.

Lake Oconee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Oconee

oh and probably the original location, the movement isn't like rapids,maybe at the dam site itself but I think it's got a resovoir, sp?......but it's very very slow current in the rivers and lakes at all times, depending on what the dam is doing, pulling out or putting in water, is which way the water is flowing in the lake/river

We keep a buoy attached to anchor/cinder block and if it has a big old jet ski attached to it, it'll move if alot of traffic and waves going by, we're on main river way, not a cove, typically waves pushes things INTO the shores and coves with heavy waves and this buoy has been in the lake for tying onto with floats and jetskis for 15 years, still there LOL

So I know she moved some, but I really feel like where she was found was probably the general area she was dropped, the only thing is the bloating cauased her to move a few days and then she was snagged on the tree trunk sticking up,

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Hey dancinunderthemoon.. Thanx for sharing all the info..
I've been researching Lake Oconee and the Wallace dam.. Interesting..I didn't know that Lake Oconee serves as a reservoir for Georgia Power Company's Wallace Hydroelectric Plant.
I imagine the current is fairly strong in the direction of the dam when the spillways are open.. The cove depth at the Dermond's home is between 20' & 30' deep according to a previous msm article. I am still debating whether the location where Mrs D's remains were located was the actual body dump site or if she drifted until reaching the treetops, despite the cinder block anchors.

Lake Oconee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Oconee

hey was there 2 cap blocks or just one? they are solid right? bigger than a regular cinder block with the 2 openings? The latter is what we used with our buoy and floats and jetski to anchor and just one.

 

[Foxfire]

hey was there 2 cap blocks or just one? they are solid right? bigger than a regular cinder block with the 2 openings? The latter is what we used with our buoy and floats and jetski to anchor and just one.

New details as mystery reigns in year-old Dermond lake ...
http://www.macon.com/2015/05/02/3726718/new-details-as-mystery-reigns.html
The Telegraph
May 2, 2015 - Weighed down by a pair of 30-pound concrete blocks, her corpse bloated and ... Shirley Dermond's killer had apparently used to anchor her to the lake floor. ... “I'm the sheriff of Putnam County, Georgia. .

 

[Carolinapeach]

Per the public records posted 5/28 in the Eatonton Msgr, the property was transferred.
Date: 4/30/15
Price: $650,000

 

[Foxfire]

Per the public records posted 5/28 in the Eatonton Msgr, the property was transferred.
Date: 4/30/15
Price: $650,000

Carolinapeach, if you know, was the home a sale or transfer?

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/147-Carolyn-Dr_Eatonton_GA_31024_M51460-57737

Recently Sold
147 Carolyn Dr
Eatonton, GA 31024

Sold for $650,000
on May 6, 2015

4 Beds 3 Full , 2 half 4,255 Sqft
Price History

Date Event Price Price/Sq.Ft. Change Source
05/06/2015 Sold $650,000 $115 &#8212;
04/30/2015 Delisted &#8212; &#8212; &#8212; Atlanta
04/30/2015 Relisted $769,000 $181 &#8212; Atlanta
04/20/2015 Delisted &#8212; &#8212; &#8212; Atlanta
04/20/2015 Listed $769,000 $181 &#8212; Atlanta

Source: Public Records

 

[Carolinapeach]

Carolinapeach, if you know, was the home a sale or transfer?

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/147-Carolyn-Dr_Eatonton_GA_31024_M51460-57737

Recently Sold
147 Carolyn Dr
Eatonton, GA 31024

Sold for $650,000
on May 6, 2015

4 Beds 3 Full , 2 half 4,255 Sqft
Price History

Date Event Price Price/Sq.Ft. Change Source
05/06/2015 Sold $650,000 $115 —
04/30/2015 Delisted — — — Atlanta
04/30/2015 Relisted $769,000 $181 — Atlanta
04/20/2015 Delisted — — — Atlanta
04/20/2015 Listed $769,000 $181 — Atlanta

Source: Public Records

Appears to have been sold, Foxfire, as the names of the buyer and seller are listed.

 

[Foxfire]

Appears to have been sold, Foxfire, as the names of the buyer and seller are listed.

Just curious. Not sure about RP/GW, but in some GA gated communities, the developer has the first right of refusal when a property sells. Guess, this is for inventory purposes, and to prevent, below market sales to prevent driving down other home prices.. jmo
I find it unusual that the sale price is $100,000.00 higher than the asking price prior to the home being taken off the market in April 2015....