GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #10

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  • #181
That is very interesting about the mounds and apalachee indians. Funny, yesterday, I was thinking about coves and how they are formed due to the layout of the land once the river is dammed, it's basically just land on the shore that was just a little lower than the shore around it, allowing it to flood, so it stands to reason that there could be various land levels under the water, I"m sure in the 50's no one put up a fight over an indian mound like they would (and rightfully should), today, Im not familiar with their size but if they were right along the rivers edge, could be

Ok, so allow me to start with these images.......

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Could we entertain the thought, since we are pretty certain a boat was used in this crime, that she was hit with a boat anchor with sharp points and ski rope or boat tie down rope was used to anchor her? Pontoon boats do pull skiers and tubers if the engine is big enough, as well as v hull type boats which is more the norm for skiers

Just making assessments on the types of rope

I do not know what other uses there is for rope. I'm sure there are many but the only thing we use rope for is our boats

We use various types of robe, but a certain kind for tubing and skiing, so there's a clue I guess, if we knew the type rope

Also, a smaller rope is used for many sailboats

Another thought is that if you tie the rope around a solid cinder block like a package ribbon, it would hold I would imagine but maybe not a ski rope, they are slicker BUT they do not expand and stretch when wet and movement, like the cotton/cloth types do, sorry, not familiar with what ropes are made of

I am guessing the blocks were still attached, since there was a description given

Thus far, a pontoon boat, rope as used by boaters, an anchor, used by boaters, A sharp knife used by fisherman who are boaters,

How do the cinder blocks fit into this scenario? cheap boat trailer chocking? cheap anchor for boat while fishing? I thought there was an image of the type of cinder block posted when this information first came out. I was thinking solid, like cap blocks
 
  • #182
She had two four-inch cap blocks on her body, but the killers must not have anticipated the effect of decomposing gases beneath the skin, which make a body more buoyant.
Police have tried to find where the blocks were bought but unfortunately they're 'as common as ketchup,' Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills told WSB-TV.


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  • #183
She had two four-inch cap blocks on her body, but the killers must not have anticipated the effect of decomposing gases beneath the skin, which make a body more buoyant.
Police have tried to find where the blocks were bought but unfortunately they're 'as common as ketchup,' Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills told WSB-TV.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-cement-blocks-thrown-lake.html#ixzz3bYVkYci6
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LOL This is where Sills confused me - where I am we call those "solid cap blocks" and "cinder blocks" are 8 x 8 x 16 " with holes.

I hope that DM is correct I seldom trust them but I will also look for where Sills had described them.

MOO
 
  • #184
I wonder if 2 cap blocks are missing from a garden wall nearby
 
  • #185
LOL This is where Sills confused me - where I am we call those "solid cap blocks" and "cinder blocks" are 8 x 8 x 16 " with holes.

I hope that DM is correct I seldom trust them but I will also look for where Sills had described them.

MOO

I know what you mean steleheart, the wording has changed in these articles from time to time, due to MSM or SS changing his mind or wording IDK

I was familiar with cap blocks when it came out for some reason, some project we were doing I guess, to me cap and cinder are different

I looked at a few homes nearby to see if there were any construction projects going on (permits on qpublic) and also, wondering if any marinas were doing any additional construction, the one I posted about earlier, Oconee Marina or somethign was built in 1994

I guess someone could have these laying around somewhere, even the Dermonds but I doubt the perps would have risked not coming prepared

Rednecks use all sorts of things for what they AREN"T made for, LOL, I've done it myself, so was trying to fit a cap block into a boaters life, on the other hand, so easy to purchase if you know you need them

Also wanted to mention that most seawalls are made from wood and the round wooden posts or 4x4's, on sinclair anyway, the older homes original to the area on sinclair had the cinder block sea walls but RP is much newer, no old homes there I would imagine

So another use for these cap blocks is steps, and I think the corners of a foundation???

So could be a construction worker in the RP/GW area

I'm also still trying to wrap my brain around the fact that they could have ambushed them in the morning hours, the place was too clean for them to have been there too long but who knows


and BTW, I shared the link of the cap block article, assuming he was right, I dont' know why he'd say capblock if he meant cinder block
 
  • #186
Was looking for building permits issued in Putnam County, does anyone know where I can find them, in other counties they post them and who and what the permit is for, I found one in putnam county but it only had who many of the certain type permits were issued, but nothing else but I doubt garden walls would be included in permits unless it was massive
 
  • #187
http://www.oconeeboatlift.com/#!seawalls

there is an image here of different sea wall types they've done and btw, these folks do IT ALL, seawalls and boathouses etc

There is one that is stone looking, so if you have enough money I guess they're still done in blocks and stone, esp in that area

So back to the theory that it was an "inside" job

On that note, wonder if they had any estimates for something in the garden area, maybe a gazebo down by the water or something that might require cinder blocks of any type, they could have been looking into getting the yard terraced but have grass that's doing well, so probably not needed


Just brainstorming again LOL
 
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I know what you mean steleheart, the wording has changed in these articles from time to time, due to MSM or SS changing his mind or wording IDK

I was familiar with cap blocks when it came out for some reason, some project we were doing I guess, to me cap and cinder are different

I looked at a few homes nearby to see if there were any construction projects going on (permits on qpublic) and also, wondering if any marinas were doing any additional construction, the one I posted about earlier, Oconee Marina or somethign was built in 1994

I guess someone could have these laying around somewhere, even the Dermonds but I doubt the perps would have risked not coming prepared

Rednecks use all sorts of things for what they AREN"T made for, LOL, I've done it myself, so was trying to fit a cap block into a boaters life, on the other hand, so easy to purchase if you know you need them

Also wanted to mention that most seawalls are made from wood and the round wooden posts or 4x4's, on sinclair anyway, the older homes original to the area on sinclair had the cinder block sea walls but RP is much newer, no old homes there I would imagine

So another use for these cap blocks is steps, and I think the corners of a foundation???

So could be a construction worker in the RP/GW area

I'm also still trying to wrap my brain around the fact that they could have ambushed them in the morning hours, the place was too clean for them to have been there too long but who knows


and BTW, I shared the link of the cap block article, assuming he was right, I dont' know why he'd say capblock if he meant cinder block

Generally, to cap off the top of a cinder block wall, these are used to put a solid surface to build on top of, as in a structure. Steps, foundations, also in retaining walls to cap it off against water, ice, debris and general aesthetics. As I look outside, my neighbor has them on the top of her textured wall, but those are textured, and colored and most likely identifiable @ Home Depot or Lowes by size, pattern and color.

So now I am far more comfortable thinking that these murders were not 'quite' as well planned and meticulously carried out. No killer IMO has ever been perfect - they slip up.

The first slip-up was that Shirley was found. She was hidden and thought not to be found, but why?

The second slip-up was misjudging the weight needed. Granted it is very difficult to handle a limp body without adding weight to it, but we know that it would be easier to push it off a party boat than over the side of a dingy. I first asked myself why did this killer use only 2 cinder blocks - that's only half the weight of the body and the entire weight of the body will eventually float, so is half again enough?

Third, now I see, if Daily Mail is correct, he used 2 smooth cap blocks. This says poor planning more than anything to me. Easier to tie a rope through the holes of a cinder block and be sure than to use a solid block and risk stretch, slippage, etc. The weight is about the same. Ropes do stretch, as you say, Dancing, at different rates and depending on the knot and material.

So maybe he didn't plan on Shirley coming upon the scene when she did. He Certainly didn't let her ruin the neat and tidy way he "Staged" Russell's faceless, headless body, oh no.

He didn't get sloppy in the Garage, but he got sloppy with Shirley.

MOO.

P.S. BBM - I forgot, lol Yankees do that too but we call it "Yankee Ingenuity". :)
 
  • #190
Generally, to cap off the top of a cinder block wall, these are used to put a solid surface to build on top of, as in a structure. Steps, foundations, also in retaining walls to cap it off against water, ice, debris and general aesthetics. As I look outside, my neighbor has them on the top of her textured wall, but those are textured, and colored and most likely identifiable @ Home Depot or Lowes by size, pattern and color.

So now I am far more comfortable thinking that these murders were not 'quite' as well planned and meticulously carried out. No killer IMO has ever been perfect - they slip up.

The first slip-up was that Shirley was found. She was hidden and thought not to be found, but why?

The second slip-up was misjudging the weight needed. Granted it is very difficult to handle a limp body without adding weight to it, but we know that it would be easier to push it off a party boat than over the side of a dingy. I first asked myself why did this killer use only 2 cinder blocks - that's only half the weight of the body and the entire weight of the body will eventually float, so is half again enough?

Third, now I see, if Daily Mail is correct, he used 2 smooth cap blocks. This says poor planning more than anything to me. Easier to tie a rope through the holes of a cinder block and be sure than to use a solid block and risk stretch, slippage, etc. The weight is about the same. Ropes do stretch, as you say, Dancing, at different rates and depending on the knot and material.

So maybe he didn't plan on Shirley coming upon the scene when she did. He Certainly didn't let her ruin the neat and tidy way he "Staged" Russell's faceless, headless body, oh no.

He didn't get sloppy in the Garage, but he got sloppy with Shirley.

MOO.

P.S. BBM - I forgot, lol Yankees do that too but we call it "Yankee Ingenuity". :)

Food for thought Steleheart.

As I was just watching the video, glad they gave a picture image, but got me to thinking.

When we rednecks (lol) use cinderblocks as weights for off shore boat docking, they too get slimy, like I mentioned earlier about the ropes being in the water, they get slick with mud and grime

Now I wonder if the blocks were discolored or brand new, over months they'll turn colors due to the muddy lake water, I'm sure in 2 weeks they wouldn't have the slime thta it could have or the discoloration that they get over several months or years, that might tell whether they purchased them or had them lying around, they're very bright clean gray in the store

Yes, I dont' think they could have staged it the way she was found, so yes, RD headless body was meant to be a statement or give shock affect, like you said in an earlier post, the clean house, everything in order, except him...and take her out of the picture and gone forever, adding to the confusion and horror, but the way she was discovered, if they'd meant it to be gory, it was, but they did slip up, so I'm sure there are other things too that we dont' know of, yes nobody is perfect, but I think every one was trying to understand how you tie the solid ones without the rope slipping off, if she'd been in deeper water or hadn't snagged on the trunk on the way in, she may still be there, clearly the caps were still attached, but I see what you are saying about them, the average person would figure on tying them through the holes, but it can be done on a solid black too, but yes, may be, poor planning

SO Makes you wonder if her going missing was an afterthought, maybe they just found those blocks lying around afterwards and said, he, let's get rid of her (for whatever reasons) and realized they needed weights

Not sure why they didnt' use their own boat anchor in that case though, they used their rope (or bought that and the cap blocks) but the pointed anchors dig in to the surface and probably would have hooked on one of the tree roots where they dumped her, dont' know about DNA on boat anchors except finger prints, dont guess you can pull them off cement
 
  • #191
thinking on the above conversation

I ask, "why did they get sloppy with Shirley?"

Was she not supposed to be there? If an afterthought on getting rid of her, was the boat an afterthought? Or did they come by boat? Or did SD being home screw up their plans? hence, THE MAN On the lawn.....waiting for the boat to come and get her?

Ach, brainstorming
 
  • #192
thinking on the above conversation

I ask, "why did they get sloppy with Shirley?"

Was she not supposed to be there? If an afterthought on getting rid of her, was the boat an afterthought? Or did they come by boat? Or did SD being home screw up their plans? hence, THE MAN On the lawn.....waiting for the boat to come and get her?

Ach, brainstorming

maybe then, they did come by car, figured they couldn't get out with a body or risk it anyway, in a car or truck that was a work vehicle for GW in some capacity, maybe the perps knew they had no family, maybe they knew everyone was getting ready for the derby party and would be preoccupied

But why woulnd't she have been there in the morning if it's as the article said, that it looked as if RD had just risen and was ready for his first cup of coffee
so certainly she'd be there too, who would know that she wouldn't be? Was it someone they knew? Someone who would hear a converstaion from their wife or GF saying , Shirley is going out that morning to get such n such for the party or something

why would the man on the lawn be there in broad daylight risking being seen, unless the boaters had a general location and he was out there to flag them down, so to speak, "l'll be on the lawn, you'll see me"

But who would they call? Or maybe one left, to go get his boat,

On the other hand, why did it matter if they left her too, unless of course, there was DNA on her, (but not on RD????)

If getting rid of her was to only slow things down, they sure did risk alot trying not to be risky!!!
 
  • #193
thinking on the above conversation

I ask, "why did they get sloppy with Shirley?"

Was she not supposed to be there? If an afterthought on getting rid of her, was the boat an afterthought? Or did they come by boat? Or did SD being home screw up their plans? hence, THE MAN On the lawn.....waiting for the boat to come and get her?

Ach, brainstorming

"Why did they get sloppy with Shirley?" Or /And "Why were they so tidy with Russell?"

SO I am thinking back to my first theory in the previous thread - Shirley didn't matter. It was all about Russell so removing her made the entire "Scene" to be focused on Russell. If SD were never found the only discussion would be "where is she?" No dead body on the lawn and no CSI measuring, taking pictures, putting things in envelopes. Nope. Just Russell. She would have been an extraneous blot on his otherwise perfect painting, IMO. We know she wasn't part of the picture because she wasn't left in the picture.

But why sloppy? Was it as simple as how her body was treated was unrelated to the killer's intent? Didn't care as long as she didn't ruin the impact in the garage? No she could have been left anywhere. She was 5 miles from the crime scene. A long way to search too. The blocks, weight, and tree were either a major miscalculation, or a last minute unplanned necessity.

I can still see how this person may have known their routines, but at this point we don't know their routines. Maybe he knew how much time he had with each one of them. If she was up and out each morning what did she do? Gardening? Walking? Sitting looking over the lake?

I think Shirley was done sloppily simply because these kinds of killers think they know everything and the more complicated they make it the more opportunities there are for subtle mistakes.

MOO
 
  • #194
thinking on the above conversation

I ask, "why did they get sloppy with Shirley?"

Was she not supposed to be there? If an afterthought on getting rid of her, was the boat an afterthought? Or did they come by boat? Or did SD being home screw up their plans? hence, THE MAN On the lawn.....waiting for the boat to come and get her?

Ach, brainstorming

With the exception of the anchor rope possibly snagging on a limb when Mrs D's body was dumped in the lake, dancinunderthemoon. I don't feel like they got sloppy.. I believe everything went just as planned, with the exception of the sighting of the man in the yard by the witness.

Imo, the Dermonds were initially the victims of an elaborate, creative, and well planned ruse to gain entrance to their home. For instance, an official document, package delivery, etc. Once inside, the perp/s likely restrained the Dermonds utilizing zip ties, rope, or other ligatures. They would have likely been brought into immediate compliance by the perps by means of physical violence or threat with a deadly weapon; firearm or knife.. All indicators point to a well planned and executed crime by organized and experienced offenders, imo. The first rule of prey is to control the victims and bring them into immediate compliance.

Mr D may have been murdered and decapitated in the garage. Many organized offenders come prepared with kill kits containing the tools necessary to complete the crime. From observations, the perp/s were forensically and investigative aware, imo. A plastic tarp may have been used to eliminate blood spatter and evidence residue from the decapitation, imo. Imo, Mrs D was alive and compliant when transported to the boat and was executed later when she was of no longer use to the perps. Mrs D was likely used as a hostage/shield in case of an arbitrary DNR boat safety check on lake oconee during the perp/s departure. JMO

All one has to do is look at the aftermath; the well laid plan, the seemingly choreographed execution of the crime, and the resulting intended effects of the Dermond murders to conclude who had motive, means, and opportunity, imo.. The signs, indicators, and evil residue left in their wake seems very obvious, imo..
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Putnam Sheriff: No new leads in Dermond murders
http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/local/2014/06/24/no-new-leads-in-dermond-murders/11327969/
<sniped read more>

Sills says they've narrowed the time frame for the murders down to sometime between the afternoon of Friday May 2nd and Saturday May 3rd.

He says the only possible witness they have was a caller who says, from a distance, she saw a man on the Dermonds' property that Saturday afternoon. "And that's the closest thing we have, we don't have a car description, we don't have a person description," Sills says.

Sills says his department has done a thorough investigation into the Dermonds' background. He doesn't believe any of their immediate family committed the crime, but does think it would have to be someone they knew. Sills says the case is unlike other murders because of the unique circumstances.

"Most of the time, the victim, or at least somebody associated with the victim has some ties to some criminal activity. That, at this point in time in our investigation we have not found that," he says.
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"Stranger on Stranger crimes are the most difficult to solve".. After thirteen months has passed since this ungodly horrific crime. It may be time for Sheriff Sills to set a new starting point for further investigation and rethink the investigator's original hypothesis and conclusions, imo.
'History happens twice because people do not listen the first time'...
 
  • #195
Thinking how the Savopoulos family was held hostage, they were in contact with people throughout the hostage situation trying to get the funds, pizza was ordered or atleast eaten, leaving DNA behind and then burned the house, former employee

That was some guy gone mad

This has no signs of the same IMO

This appears professional IMO

Or someone wanted it to appear so

Someone wanted them dead, period and left like a ghost, and planned the shock factor

Thinking on the perps arrival, still leaning towards boat, lake people don't really notice a boat, maybe a woman was along to soften the effects, somehow that makaes the scene seem a little less harmless, case in point, i see fishermen at night and early morning, this morning one 3 person crew, had a fisherwoman with them, I realized, I felt less intimidated

The culdesace is a dead end street. Yes remote, but whoever went in by car and if they stayed all day or half a day, the car had to leave the way they came in, no thoroughfare, so either it had to look like a work truck, cable, internet call etc who had to leave by car, if they came by car/van, running the risk of one of the neighbors before the culdesac seeing them, which apparently no one did BUT.


I think lake people notice cars more than boats. Very odd to feel safer looking at the water and not be so cautious, chatting with someone in a boat passing by, people waving and then exit your front door and not feel as safe and be more cautious and notice cars on the road or at the neighbors house.

I'm not sure however, how inconspicuos one would look parking a boat in a cove and traipsing up thru the woods, had someone seen that, it would have been suspicious, to me, unless it had a for sale sign on it.......! Is that lot for sale???
 
  • #196
With the exception of the anchor rope possibly snagging on a limb when Mrs D's body was dumped in the lake, dancinunderthemoon. I don't feel like they got sloppy.. I believe everything went just as planned, with the exception of the sighting of the man in the yard by the witness.

Imo, the Dermonds were initially the victims of an elaborate, creative, and well planned ruse to gain entrance to their home. For instance, an official document, package delivery, etc. Once inside, the perp/s likely restrained the Dermonds utilizing zip ties, rope, or other ligatures. They would have likely been brought into immediate compliance by the perps by means of physical violence or threat with a deadly weapon; firearm or knife.. All indicators point to a well planned and executed crime by organized and experienced offenders, imo. The first rule of prey is to control the victims and bring them into immediate compliance.

Mr D may have been murdered and decapitated in the garage. Many organized offenders come prepared with kill kits containing the tools necessary to complete the crime. From observations, the perp/s were forensically and investigative aware, imo. A plastic tarp may have been used to eliminate blood spatter and evidence residue from the decapitation, imo. Imo, Mrs D was alive and compliant when transported to the boat and was executed later when she was of no longer use to the perps. Mrs D was likely used as a hostage/shield in case of an arbitrary DNR boat safety check on lake oconee during the perp/s departure. JMO

All one has to do is look at the aftermath; the well laid plan, the seemingly choreographed execution of the crime, and the resulting intended effects of the Dermond murders to conclude who had motive, means, and opportunity, imo.. The signs, indicators, and evil residue left in their wake seems very obvious, imo..
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Putnam Sheriff: No new leads in Dermond murders
http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/local/2014/06/24/no-new-leads-in-dermond-murders/11327969/
<sniped read more>

Sills says they've narrowed the time frame for the murders down to sometime between the afternoon of Friday May 2nd and Saturday May 3rd.

He says the only possible witness they have was a caller who says, from a distance, she saw a man on the Dermonds' property that Saturday afternoon. "And that's the closest thing we have, we don't have a car description, we don't have a person description," Sills says.

Sills says his department has done a thorough investigation into the Dermonds' background. He doesn't believe any of their immediate family committed the crime, but does think it would have to be someone they knew. Sills says the case is unlike other murders because of the unique circumstances.

"Most of the time, the victim, or at least somebody associated with the victim has some ties to some criminal activity. That, at this point in time in our investigation we have not found that," he says.
________________<BBM for Focus>______________


"Stranger on Stranger crimes are the most difficult to solve".. After thirteen months has passed since this ungodly horrific crime. It may be time for Sheriff Sills to set a new starting point for further investigation and rethink the investigator's original hypothesis and conclusions, imo.
'History happens twice because people do not listen the first time'...

When we keep posting old articles, sometimes things just pop into your mind that you didn't catch the first time around.

When I read - "we don't have a car description, we don't have a person description" - it clicked. We know that he has said someone saw a man so he does have some info and I will bet that same person mentioned a vehicle, but just not a description as such. Otherwise, why would he have brought a vehicle up in the first place? He could have just left it out completely if the witness never mentioned one. Maybe the sun was shining toward the witness so the glare could have messed up his vision? Maybe only a part of the car would be seen? So, I now question if he uses the word "car" interchangeably with truck or van or SUV?

I would be interested in knowing where the witness was when he saw the man. They lived at the end of a cul-de-sac with few neighbors close by so I wouldn't think someone was driving in there. I was thinking their house or yard was too far away to be seen from the main road? Also, I still question where the man was seen - in the front yard next to the street, in the river front yard, or more on the side near the garage? Maybe it was the mailman? I am assuming they had a mailbox at the end of their driveway?
 
  • #197
Thinking how the Savopoulos family was held hostage, they were in contact with people throughout the hostage situation trying to get the funds, pizza was ordered or atleast eaten, leaving DNA behind and then burned the house, former employee

That was some guy gone mad

This has no signs of the same IMO

This appears professional IMO

Or someone wanted it to appear so

Someone wanted them dead, period and left like a ghost, and planned the shock factor

Thinking on the perps arrival, still leaning towards boat, lake people don't really notice a boat, maybe a woman was along to soften the effects, somehow that makaes the scene seem a little less harmless, case in point, i see fishermen at night and early morning, this morning one 3 person crew, had a fisherwoman with them, I realized, I felt less intimidated

The culdesace is a dead end street. Yes remote, but whoever went in by car and if they stayed all day or half a day, the car had to leave the way they came in, no thoroughfare, so either it had to look like a work truck, cable, internet call etc who had to leave by car, if they came by car/van, running the risk of one of the neighbors before the culdesac seeing them, which apparently no one did BUT.


I think lake people notice cars more than boats. Very odd to feel safer looking at the water and not be so cautious, chatting with someone in a boat passing by, people waving and then exit your front door and not feel as safe and be more cautious and notice cars on the road or at the neighbors house.

I'm not sure however, how inconspicuos one would look parking a boat in a cove and traipsing up thru the woods, had someone seen that, it would have been suspicious, to me, unless it had a for sale sign on it.......! Is that lot for sale???

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Dancinunderthemoon, the Dermonds only had two cars. The garage had room for one more vehicle..

Parking: Garage - Attached, 3 spaces

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/147-Carolyn-Dr-Eatonton-GA-31024/110310631_zpid/
 
  • #198
When we keep posting old articles, sometimes things just pop into your mind that you didn't catch the first time around.

When I read - "we don't have a car description, we don't have a person description" - it clicked. We know that he has said someone saw a man so he does have some info and I will bet that same person mentioned a vehicle, but just not a description as such. Otherwise, why would he have brought a vehicle up in the first place? He could have just left it out completely if the witness never mentioned one. Maybe the sun was shining toward the witness so the glare could have messed up his vision? Maybe only a part of the car would be seen? So, I now question if he uses the word "car" interchangeably with truck or van or SUV?

I would be interested in knowing where the witness was when he saw the man.
They lived at the end of a cul-de-sac with few neighbors close by so I wouldn't think someone was driving in there. I was thinking their house or yard was too far away to be seen from the main road? Also, I still question where the man was seen - in the front yard next to the street, in the river front yard, or more on the side near the garage? Maybe it was the mailman? I am assuming they had a mailbox at the end of their driveway?

Watcher9, we now know about the cinder blocks, but I can remember shoe imprints taken of all LE/CSI at the crime scene. The imprints were not taken until a few days after the investigation began. Imo, the prints of concern may have been taken from the location where the man was spotted by the witness and SS was attempting to rule out any LE footprints..

June 4, 2014
EXCLUSIVE: Sheriff says Reynolds Plantation couple killed with different weapons

&#8220;This is a very difficult case, but that doesn&#8217;t mean we don&#8217;t have forensic evidence. We&#8217;re running down leads today,&#8221; said Sills. &#8220;We&#8217;ve got fingerprints, we&#8217;ve got hairs, we&#8217;ve got fibers, we&#8217;ve got all matter of forensic evidence that we&#8217;ve collected from the house.&#8221;

Sills said they&#8217;ve also collected several other items of significance to the case that he can&#8217;t talk about.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/exclusive-sheriff-says-reynolds-plantation-couple-/ngDzD/
 
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Dancinunderthemoon, the Dermonds only had two cars. The garage had room for one more vehicle..

Parking: Garage - Attached, 3 spaces

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/147-Carolyn-Dr-Eatonton-GA-31024/110310631_zpid/

I think we talked about this already but it never hurts to do it again!

The pictures of the house when it was for sale showed a two car garage - two doors - next to the screened porch.

So, was the description wrong in the write-up or was there a separate garage space located elsewhere? Some houses have a garage door off their basement area that could be used for a lawnmower, etc but would also house a car or boat if need be. If that is the case here, then the description is right.
 
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Dancinunderthemoon, the Dermonds only had two cars. The garage had room for one more vehicle..

Parking: Garage - Attached, 3 spaces

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/147-Carolyn-Dr-Eatonton-GA-31024/110310631_zpid/

I dont' understand,

If a car van truck DROVE into the culdesac, eventually they had to go back out the way they came in, my street is a thoroughfare, i'd feel safer where they live, ironically

the lates SS article mentioned that it was a cramped garage, maybe there was a golf cart in there also

if someone was able to park inthere, they still had to leave the way they came in, risking more people seeing them and curious being that it's a dead end st
 
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