GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #11

[Deleted member 162919]

It's been a long time since I've been here, but this case has always been in the back of my mind. I had hoped that there would be a resolution by now. I don't think this case will ever be solved as long as SS is in charge. MOO
Who is the female that broke down during an interview with SS?? Is she considered a POI, suspect or someone who has knowledge of the motive of the crime??

Awhile back SS said even though she wasn't truthful during the 1st interview she is not a suspect. I have often wondered why since she wasn't being truthful about something how she couldn't be a suspect .

 

[Kittybunny]

Awhile back SS said even though she wasn't truthful during the 1st interview she is not a suspect. I have often wondered why since she wasn't being truthful about something how she couldn't be a suspect .

Since my suspicions lie in a very specific direction, I’m going to speculate that the woman could be a daughter-in-law.

And a hypothetical scenario in which someone isn’t truthful about something but isn’t a suspect would be in verifying someone else’s whereabouts or alibi.

I don’t want to lose hope that this case will ever be solved...but I’m losing hope.

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Here's a question I often ask myself. There's been no mention of people doing work at the house except for a cement guy to fix a crack in the driveway. Just how does an 87 year old woman who's about to have cataract surgery keep a 3400 square foot house so spotless?

Another question - What kind of killer would spend a good amount of time in a house where he is killing 2 people? I keep thinking he must have been confident nobody would be stopping by before he got out of there

And yet another question that's been nagging at me. Someone spotted a white male on their lawn walking around yet no description. How can you see it's a white male but not be able to tell the age or size or hair color and no time or day was mentioned?

 

[wildebeest]

Since my suspicions lie in a very specific direction, I’m going to speculate that the woman could be a daughter-in-law.

And a hypothetical scenario in which someone isn’t truthful about something but isn’t a suspect would be in verifying someone else’s whereabouts or alibi.

I don’t want to lose hope that this case will ever be solved...but I’m losing hope.

Hi Kittybunny,

Had not considered the possibility of the untruthful female being an inlaw. This could be an interesting road to follow.

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Or a granddaughter

 

[wildebeest]

Or a granddaughter

Yes, hockeyguy, it could even be a granddaughter

 

[Deleted member 162919]

I've been rereading some old interviews SS had given early on in the case here's the things I found odd. He said this was a botched robbery or extortion attempt gone wrong yet nothing of value was taken and their financials showed nothing to warrant that. What make him think this?

He believes the head of RD is somewhere in the lake which is possible but I wonder what he has done to search the lake since the discovery of SD .

SS considers the man on the lawn a suspect and refers to the suspect as HIM which tells me he knows who this person is yet this person was never mentioned again by SS almost like he is guarding this as crucial evidence . Here's the link I was reading it's not a long interview but there are some possible clues in what SS says

Mystery man emerges in year-old Ga. beheading case

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Yes, hockeyguy, it could even be a granddaughter

I'm just thinking it could be a grand kid who had a friend or 2 help and maybe the grand kid was the man on the lawn. I guess it's possible since the oldest grand son lived in Atlanta it wouldn't be that far of a drive

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I don't think they are related but (I'm sure it has been done) I'd like to know the dates their lawn care people usually showed up on (I don't normally see that happening on a Saturdays) and the pool person. They would have known the cameras weren't working and I suspect the guards would have easily let them in through the gate.

The lot has lots of trees on it. Maybe they had trees taken down previous to their murders.

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They didn't have a pool and they did not have a lawn maintenance crew IIRC, the children maybe KD said they handled their own lawn maintenance....in regards to pool there was a home description posted somewhere that had wrongly listed a pool

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

SBM:

I just watched Danielle Locklear's story last week. Her ex-BF weighted her body down with 2 of the old type cinder blocks and dumped her in the South River in North Carolina. She still floated. He actually took the cinder blocks from his home. When cops raided his home, they found where they had been sitting because indentions were still visible on the ground - murder was premeditated. He wasn't a professional either - just a teenager.



Ex-boyfriend confesses to killing North Carolina teen, says pal helped him dump body: authorities - NY Daily News

I think you have to roll the body up in chicken wire and then weight down with weights and still even then. . . who knows. Bella Bond was put in a army duffle bag with two (I think) 30 pound weights and the bag with her body and the weights still drifted to Deer Island.

Don't forget there was netting used, I don't think it ever said exactly what kind but I guess we can surmise FISH netting...…which isn't used in these GA lakes

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Guessing the grandaughter some have said inherited while the other grands did not, was likely KD daughter by previous marriage...….seems the grandparents wanted to make sure she was taken care of too, assuming her father wouldn't leave her anything upon his death, only his current wife's children I presume...…..

Good points but I noticed one theory that didn't add up. If the killer used a gun Mr D owned he really wouldn't have to worry about beheading him to recover the bullet all he had to do was take the gun and destroy it later or toss it in the lake or some other lake. Too many things point to this being someone close to the elder Dermonds. Remember an up close murder represents rage or revenge and considering the victims were mid to late 80's who would want them dead and why. SS mentioned in his last interview that the Dermonds had already begun getting rid of things and I believe this was a precursor to going into assisted living which is very costly and would severely reduce any inheritance . I know these places in my area can run up to 10k per month depending on the level of service they choose but lets say 6500 per month would be the usual. Just another road I thought was worth visiting

hahaha GOOD ONE Hockeyguy! SO true about assisted living etc...…...I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO REMEMBER THE FBI PROFILER INFORMATION: The amount of time spent at a crime scene indicates how comfortable someone was at that location...…….How long DID all of this take? Clearly it wasn't a drive by or an execution type quickee sts..these people or person was comfortable there, they lingered, they drug her down the lake...……..VERY COMFORTABLE

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

It's been said by Keith Dermond Mrs D wanted her ashes scattered over the lake maybe the kids gave her half of what she wanted. To behead just one of them says Mr D was the target. Why not just dump both of them in the lake? Someone had some rage for Mr D . Id like to know exactly what the fbi profiler had to say we just got a vague description. My guess is the profile of the killer is right on target with it being someone in the family which is why SS only gave that brief version of the killers profile. Someone who likes guns and knives is very vague and obvious since those were 2 of the 3 used in the killing. I think SS won't bring in the GBI because he doesn't want his evidence leaked it's the only reason I can think of except for him not liking non sheriffs being involved.

KD said it was a good his mother was taken too, she could not have gone on without RD...…..they had wanted their ashes to be scattered in the lake.....KD said they "ALMOST" didtn feel this was appropriate...……….almost??? HOw about NOT AT ALL NOW.......

I FEEL SD GOT WHAT SHE ASKED FOR...…..she was in the lake as she'd wanted her ashes to be, she was taken because she coudlnt live without her husband....did the killers do her a favor, in their mind? DId the D's get what they wanted? HIs skull has not been found, probalby in the lake too, in lieu of ashes....You know, some people's logic

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Guessing the grandaughter some have said inherited while the other grands did not, was likely KD daughter by previous marriage...….seems the grandparents wanted to make sure she was taken care of too, assuming her father wouldn't leave her anything upon his death, only his current wife's children I presume...…..

hahaha GOOD ONE Hockeyguy! SO true about assisted living etc...…...I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO REMEMBER THE FBI PROFILER INFORMATION: The amount of time spent at a crime scene indicates how comfortable someone was at that location...…….How long DID all of this take? Clearly it wasn't a drive by or an execution type quickee sts..these people or person was comfortable there, they lingered, they drug her down the lake...……..VERY COMFORTABLE

I thought in a recent interview SS said the inheritance was split 3 ways evenly but then again he could be lying and we'd never know.

 

[kirkassoc]

I wonder if MD, the son that was killed in 2000, had children?

Also, in regards to the head being taken, could it be possible the gun the perpetrator(s) used might have been used in a previous murder and the ballistics from that case could have tied that previous case to this murder? Could this be the reason for taking or disposing of (lake?) Mr. D's head?

 

[jonnyrock]

MD, the son killed in 2000, could well have fathered a child who was born after the death of MD. As I previously surmised, this is about the only extortion angle that would make sense to me. It goes something like this: the individual(s) who ended up raising the child fathered by MD approached the Dermonds for something akin to child support and perhaps a legacy lump sum and were rebuffed. The Dermonds may have grudgingly given in to early requests for money but cut it off at some point. Motive for murder? Perhaps. I realize this is a stretch but what else is left that makes some sense?

 

[Deleted member 162919]

MD, the son killed in 2000, could well have fathered a child who was born after the death of MD. As I previously surmised, this is about the only extortion angle that would make sense to me. It goes something like this: the individual(s) who ended up raising the child fathered by MD approached the Dermonds for something akin to child support and perhaps a legacy lump sum and were rebuffed. The Dermonds may have grudgingly given in to early requests for money but cut it off at some point. Motive for murder? Perhaps. I realize this is a stretch but what else is left that makes some sense?

That would explain SS's extortion theory. You might be onto something. I tried looking up an obituary for MD but couldn't find one

 

[wildebeest]

MD, the son killed in 2000, could well have fathered a child who was born after the death of MD. As I previously surmised, this is about the only extortion angle that would make sense to me. It goes something like this: the individual(s) who ended up raising the child fathered by MD approached the Dermonds for something akin to child support and perhaps a legacy lump sum and were rebuffed. The Dermonds may have grudgingly given in to early requests for money but cut it off at some point. Motive for murder? Perhaps. I realize this is a stretch but what else is left that makes some sense?

You’ve brought up a very interesting theory about this case, jonnyrock. MD could have fathered a child outside of marriage, who was known or unknown to the Dermonds. The child or someone related to the child could have come to the elder Dermonds for money. This might have been an ongoing appeal, and perhaps that fateful day, there was a final request. This theory may be far fetched, but I feel strongly that someone close to the Dermonds needed money, and there is your motive.

IMHO

 

[Deleted member 162919]

I'm rereading a recent story on the Dermond murders and i'm now thinking by the description of the reporter this beheading was done in the garage . I always thought this murder happened at the house as nobody would risk leaving and then coming back the chances of being seen is too risky. The reporter mentions the man seen on the lawn and he interviewed him but he's not a suspect. When was this person on the lawn and why was he there seems kind of odd he is not a suspect. Why is this person not a suspect? Can anyone find out which day this person was spotted on the lawn? This is why I always reread things I've learned more from reading this the 2nd time than I did from the 1st read.

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Here's the link

GONE COLD | A lake with no leads: Who killed the Dermonds?

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

MD, the son killed in 2000, could well have fathered a child who was born after the death of MD. As I previously surmised, this is about the only extortion angle that would make sense to me. It goes something like this: the individual(s) who ended up raising the child fathered by MD approached the Dermonds for something akin to child support and perhaps a legacy lump sum and were rebuffed. The Dermonds may have grudgingly given in to early requests for money but cut it off at some point. Motive for murder? Perhaps. I realize this is a stretch but what else is left that makes some sense?

its definitely some kind of family angle IMO