GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #11

[dancinunderthemoon]

That and the first ever interview and plea for parents killers or someone to come forward...... 4 years later, the way the family came in and left quickly , not even attending the candlelight vigil for the D's held by their church...….not to mention the confusion of the reports we are getting from SS...………..makes me me think everyone knows who or atleast WHY, SS may not have known right away but someone talked or something was discovered before the man on the lawn was allegedly questioned and ID'd……...no need for that decoy any longer.....something came to light for SS

As upset as the son appears on this newscast four years later, it really concerns me as to why and how the children have done nothing in trying to solve this case.

Hiring a Private Investigator years ago would have been my first thought.

Wonder if they followed SS’s advice that hiring one would not be a good idea as they couldn’t get any more information than he could? Just a speculation.....

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Had hoped Payne Lindsey would do this one but Phillip Holloway just did a review of what happened...need a gooood investigative podcast...….

Looking forward to someone doing an "in depth" podcast on this case soon. I check just about every day to see if there's anything new. CANNOT be a random crime, imo, and that's a fact, I believe. Who randomly kills two elderly people, doesn't take anything from them at all, and then decapitates one and sails off with the other one? This has to be one of THE strangest cases I have ever read about. I look forward to your theories and comments hockeyguy.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Peggy Nadell case...This happened may 13 2015........1 yr after the Dermonds, very similar circumstances; no dna, no hair, no fibers, nothing at the crime scene...…..she was strangled to death and hit in the head but the head was present at the scene and she stabbed her to insure she was dead, the daughter in law had been at the house regularly, she reported the crime and was there when police arrived, difference is, she was stupid, first thing she SAID was the mother in law was worth millions, SAID right off, this is not how she wanted to inherit the money....SO turns out she did this BEFORE she and the son of the victim divorced her so she could inherit half of his inheritance as it was written, burner phone was tracked to a dollar general NEAR the dua in laws house, and more...…….the interesting thing is that there were no forensics on scene, strangulation, hit in the head, and how she behaved or what was said (and don't say in some situations) but the strangulation is interesting and this was done by a woman, some have slit a throat so forcefully it almost beheads them...grotesque but this was family that killed this woman that left no forensics behind......Lastly, psychologically, If someone is guilty of something, they avoid the issue altogether, are vague, do not inquire about things, they don't want it discussed or brought up...…...

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

and some talk to much saying what they weren't doing when its exactly what they were doing. I guess if they say it isn't so, it supposed to be ignored...….that Nadell mother in law was a millionaire.....shouldn't have mentioned the money....LOL

 

[1&2&3]

Did Russell Dermond have brothers? Could they have been in the mob?

I ask this question thinking if his family was in the mob, then his nephews were too. This would explain why none of his family has spoken out regarding solving the murders.

But why wait until the Dermonds are in their late 80’s to take them out??

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Did Russell Dermond have brothers? Could they have been in the mob?

I ask this question thinking if his family was in the mob, then his nephews were too. This would explain why none of his family has spoken out regarding solving the murders.

But why wait until the Dermonds are in their late 80’s to take them out??

I cant remember but all of their fmaliy was dead IIRC........

BUt Maybe the D's weren't the issue......maybe it wasnt the mob, maybe it was some other family connection......that's the problem 123, we just Don't know, it doesn't have to be 50 years ago, people talk about the passage of time being too long but, we don't know if there WAS a passage of time , something is right under our noses....SS needs an investigative team or podcast on it to start from the beginning.....something is missed, NO WAY there isn't ONE clue

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Everywhere I turn, everywhere, many many of my family and cousins...…….LIARs...…...they are everywhere, if you aren't looking you wont know, the rest of us are expecting others to be genuine, half the world IMO are lying constantly if I were to use what ive seen as a template!! Somebody is lying and something was missed

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Russell Dermond 4 months 1930 NJ Bergen census, listed in household with grandparents , Tedesco, Louis and Antoinette, both born Italy and their parents born Italy
Russell dermond 1940 Bergen, Bogota NJ
Charles D Dermond 35
Margaret R Dermond 34
Russell J Dermond 14

cant see 1950 yet until 2020
obituary only mentions his parents and children
census reports indicate no siblings
Russell Joseph Dermond (1925-2014) - Find A Grave...

 

[Razz]

I can't imagine any son or daughter being OK with both parents being butchered so heinously. Perhaps they know who did it and why. And the
who and why forces them to stay silent.

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Even then the way they were murdered would anger me to no end. I mean to behead someone and toss the other in a lake after beating her to death i'd want whoever did it in prison for life . Nothing would keep me silent if that happened to my parents unless I planned on getting my own justice

 

[dixiegirl1035]

http://crimefeed.com/2018/07/dwight...on-cult-ufos-ancient-egypt-in-rural-georgia/?

DWIGHT YORK & THE NUWAUBIAN NATION CULT: UFOS & ANCIENT EGYPT IN RURAL GEORGIA

 

[wildebeest]

Even then the way they were murdered would anger me to no end. I mean to behead someone and toss the other in a lake after beating her to death i'd want whoever did it in prison for life . Nothing would keep me silent if that happened to my parents unless I planned on getting my own justice

We haven’t seen any outrage, what is wrong with this picture?

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

We haven’t seen any outrage, what is wrong with this picture?

NO Brad said it would be solved eventually but Something was missed or people were read wrongly.....famiy has no outrage, get out of town, are silent, no pleas, nothing...…. they wait four years to make a public plea!??! hmph

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

YOu think so DIxiegirl? You must know of FF...…..not sure about this but we can't say its not if we don't know what it is, right?!

http://crimefeed.com/2018/07/dwight...on-cult-ufos-ancient-egypt-in-rural-georgia/?

DWIGHT YORK & THE NUWAUBIAN NATION CULT: UFOS & ANCIENT EGYPT IN RURAL GEORGIA

 

[Deleted member 162919]

I'm listening to the Sworn Podcast again and PH says from the evidence he has seen and from talk to SS he is convinced the killers did not know their way around the house. If there was nothing stolen and nothing out of place why would they think that?

They mentioned this was very well planned out which is obvious.

mentioned the man on the lawn and even PH said was likely with the killers yet SS has said the man on the lawn has been cleared ( not sure how he was cleared) but I still think SS probably doesn't know who that man on the lawn is and is just lying to keep us off the trail.

SS did say 1 grandchild did get a small inheritance and the rest went to the 3 kids evenly . The reason I listen to these things over and over again is to hear SS deny things and then later admit to things like evidence. In the wrap up podcast he refused to say what results the evidence he collected were. But recently he said there was ZERO evidence at the crime scene so he's lying again. SS is playing a game here by not being truthful. SS would be better off not mentioning any evidence yet he has decided to play the game of leading us on . For someone who would like help with this case that he can't close he sure has a weird way of showing it. Personally I think SS knows who the killer is and he just can't prove it for some reason.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Because there is something about the house and crime that indicated they didn't know their way around the house and as PH said, some things were purposely left out of the Podcast...….???

Not the Mob and not a professional PH Said

extortion?? That's a lot of dang work for extortion to not even steal anything, anything we know of anyway...

DId they think they didnt know there way around because there is no indication they went inside? Maybe it appeared it all happened outside or in the garage? As we are suspicious of as well...…

I watched the Brad dermond interview again and was interesting the daughter had been there a week before, more or less, and BD had spoken to his father on Thursday...….the last time anyone had spoken to him and then was killed Friday night into Saturday sometime.…….

Glad they all got to visit and speak to them beforehand

If you don't want to leave evidence or get caught, you dont go inside, you dont steal anything obvious, you scope the place, neighbors gone to asia, no neighbors on end of street or across......basically NO neighbors.....2 elderly alone,

but......you don't hang around that long unless you knw them or the area or house, if they did what PH said, they were there all day

look up FBI profiling, I don't care WHAT else happened or did not happen, that, THAT is the biggest clue of all IMO...…..they lingered longer

then there is still the CUlt connection that even KD mentioned in the beginning…….the one that got run out of Putnam by the FBI

still no one gained anything in this crime ...…...with exceptions

I'm listening to the Sworn Podcast again and PH says from the evidence he has seen and from talk to SS he is convinced the killers did not know their way around the house. If there was nothing stolen and nothing out of place why would they think that?

They mentioned this was very well planned out which is obvious.

mentioned the man on the lawn and even PH said was likely with the killers yet SS has said the man on the lawn has been cleared ( not sure how he was cleared) but I still think SS probably doesn't know who that man on the lawn is and is just lying to keep us off the trail.

SS did say 1 grandchild did get a small inheritance and the rest went to the 3 kids evenly . The reason I listen to these things over and over again is to hear SS deny things and then later admit to things like evidence. In the wrap up podcast he refused to say what results the evidence he collected were. But recently he said there was ZERO evidence at the crime scene so he's lying again. SS is playing a game here by not being truthful. SS would be better off not mentioning any evidence yet he has decided to play the game of leading us on . For someone who would like help with this case that he can't close he sure has a weird way of showing it. Personally I think SS knows who the killer is and he just can't prove it for some reason.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I can't imagine any son or daughter being OK with both parents being butchered so heinously. Perhaps they know who did it and why. And the
who and why forces them to stay silent.

That has been mentioned before as well Razz, could be but the thing that gets me is how long it appeared they hung around the house...…..that is an indication according to FBI profiling that they knew their perp and they were familiar with the location and felt comfortable enough that they wouldn't get caught, the weren't so nervous and ready to get out of there...…...and apparently if they did do what PH says in that podcast posted just above

So many angles we just don't have all the evidence...….maybe also that SS did above and beyond the investigative tasks but maybe he read into something wrong...….trusted someone that's lying, missed some detail in all that he's gathered...….it happens in genealogy research all the time

 

[Tripod]

I've always thought, almost from the beginning, that someone just could not wait any longer for the elderly Dermonds to die naturally. It's been talked about here, for sure, but it was my first thought, and remains my #1 thought. That motive is inheritance, obviously, either indirectly or more directly. No POIs, but at least that's a good motive... It's the only one that makes any sense to me at all, or ever has.

The puzzling thing of course is the removal of RD's head, and then the obvious effort it took to hide Mrs. D's body, and why- why was it ok to leave his body behind but not hers? I used to wonder if there was some possibly disagreement and/or angst by the killers about that.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

That someone could not wait for the Dermonds to die naturally...…..I cant believe you said that, I too have wondered that from day 1...…you read my hint......lol...…..analyze those interviews, interesting to say the least...in box me if interested

I've always thought, almost from the beginning, that someone just could not wait any longer for the elderly Dermonds to die naturally. It's been talked about here, for sure, but it was my first thought, and remains my #1 thought. That motive is inheritance, obviously, either indirectly or more directly. No POIs, but at least that's a good motive... It's the only one that makes any sense to me at all, or ever has.

The puzzling thing of course is the removal of RD's head, and then the obvious effort it took to hide Mrs. D's body, and why- why was it ok to leave his body behind but not hers? I used to wonder if there was some possibly disagreement and/or angst by the killers about that.

I've always thought, almost from the beginning, that someone just could not wait any longer for the elderly Dermonds to die naturally. It's been talked about here, for sure, but it was my first thought, and remains my #1 thought. That motive is inheritance, obviously, either indirectly or more directly. No POIs, but at least that's a good motive... It's the only one that makes any sense to me at all, or ever has.

The puzzling thing of course is the removal of RD's head, and then the obvious effort it took to hide Mrs. D's body, and why- why was it ok to leave his body behind but not hers? I used to wonder if there was some possibly disagreement and/or angst by the killers about that.

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Another thing from the podcast which was done in june of 17 . They talked about the man on the lawn and SS had said he considers him a suspect yet in an interview recently SS said he eliminated that man on the lawn after questioning him early on in the investigation. Odd because as of june of last year he didn't know who it was or so he says. Why lie about that to the media ? Everyone considers the man on the lawn to be either with the killers ( a lookout) or 1 of the killers. SS if you cleared the man on the lawn at least tell us why you cleared him. What was he doing on the lawn? I personally think this is where SS found his killer but he can't prove it so he sits and waits for that call