GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #11

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  • #701
Probably more like speculation that turned to confusion or rumor lol...we haven't heard that in a while, I wonder how many people out there think RD had a sword collection.....I know he had a vast liquor collection! LOL
Yep, I remember that. Shows how rumors grow legs! I think it was a grandson's picture when on vacation.
 
  • #702
Wait, was it RD or SD who had knee replacment?
 
  • #703
I thought it was SD that had the knee replacement, but I could be wrong.
 
  • #704
  • #705
It wasn't a robbery or extortion since no money or valuables were taken. Now I am wondering why the kids took a polygraph SS must have suspected them at some point although he has said all along he ruled them out as suspects. I'm not buying the idea he was not killed in the house for a couple of reasons 1 why would they kill him somewhere outside of the house and risk being spotted with him and why would they bring him back and risk the same? 2 if they did bring him somewhere and killed him he would have fibers or evidence of where he was killed on his clothing. I still think he was killed in the house as was Shirley . This was definitely someone the Dermonds knew and had over the house before or was from the neighborhood
 
  • #706
Well since the neighbros were in Asia and there aer none on the other side and they live on a culdesac and cove lot....there would likely be no witnesses......I never beleived that either was killed OFF SITE as many speculated or understood the statement to mean when SS or whoever stated very early on that they weren't sure he was "killed where he was found" or something to that affect.......many took that to mean they were carted off and returned....I just aint buyin' that either Hockeyguy.....but I do bleive they could have or one could have been hit several times while outside.....What i dont know is if any blood would splatter from several hits to the head to kill someone or is it all just internal trauma.....if hitting someone so hard on the head several times does not always cause blood splatter then inside or outside is possible....we do know SD was hit several times IIRC, three or more...we dont know or haven't heard there was blood elsewhere if there was....i still think we dont have a lot of the facts in this case from LE reportings.......but yes fibers from teh car or others hair or clothing would be on his person if carted off and returned
It wasn't a robbery or extortion since no money or valuables were taken. Now I am wondering why the kids took a polygraph SS must have suspected them at some point although he has said all along he ruled them out as suspects. I'm not buying the idea he was not killed in the house for a couple of reasons 1 why would they kill him somewhere outside of the house and risk being spotted with him and why would they bring him back and risk the same? 2 if they did bring him somewhere and killed him he would have fibers or evidence of where he was killed on his clothing. I still think he was killed in the house as was Shirley . This was definitely someone the Dermonds knew and had over the house before or was from the neighborhood
 
  • #707
I recently watched an ID show that featured the murder of a woman in Florida. She was beaten over the head with a fish bag. It really made me think of Shirley. The cop that was investigating the Florida woman's murder didn't know what a fish bat was, but ultimately the tracking of the fish bat (it was brand new) led to the arrest of the murderer.

I think we have briefly discussed fish bats here regarding what Mrs. D was hit over the head with at the time of her murder. I don't think I even knew what a fish bat was either until we discussed it here.

I can't believe a New Year will soon be rolling around and there is still no arrest for the D's murders. It's hard to believe the person who did this has been successful in keeping his mouth shut. I don't know if I could celebrate Thanksgiving with a happy heart knowing that the person who murdered my parents was still on the loose.

Happy Thanksgiving to all here at Websleuths! I'm thankful to have a place to discuss theories, motives and the bad guys! It's nice to have a group of likeminded people with whom to bounce ideas! :grouphug:
 
  • #708
Rereading some old interviews SS had about the murders he gave a few clues we need answers to. Turns out it was a female relative who was not truthful in the 1st interview and I am wondering who that relative is. SS also said he believes RD was shot a statement he has backed away from. SS claims this was a botched robbery but a botched robbery they wouldn't behead RD . It's easy to get rid of a gun so I don't think the reason for the beheading was to get rid of evidence. How many robbers would bring cement blocks to a robbery? For some reason when using Microsoft edge I can't find the way to post a link
 
  • #709
Botched robbery or failed extortion attempt, both surmised at different times by SS, are difficult to accept given the bizarre nature of this crime. As Hockeyguy so aptly stated, " how many robbers would bring cement blocks to a robbery?" Make no mistake: the primary objective that fateful Saturday was murder, period. The question is why and what prior event precipitated it?
 
  • #710
Yes I agree, Murder was the intent, period....who and why is the question, if we knew the WHY...WE detectives may easier surmise the WHO....
Botched robbery or failed extortion attempt, both surmised at different times by SS, are difficult to accept given the bizarre nature of this crime. As Hockeyguy so aptly stated, " how many robbers would bring cement blocks to a robbery?" Make no mistake: the primary objective that fateful Saturday was murder, period. The question is why and what prior event precipitated it?
 
  • #711
I agree here too, female relative lied, who and why?....Maybe we know the why since a female relative lied.....and since the only people who apparently gained was family....Also, SS has changed his story a few times...he confuses me LOL...I dont know WHy he would think extortion or botched robbery would constitute cinder blocks, hauling her off and much less beheading! This was a 24 hour event, ALOT of trouble went into getting rid of these folks and making it look like a "HIT" from up north since they were from JOISEY...but too many years have passed for anyone to have the need to get rid of them.....I actually met a sweet little lady a few weeks ago that was 104! She made me think of the Dermonds, I bet they would have lived that long....she was quite sprite, tho used a can she wasn't slow or limping or hunched,I would have guessed she was 80's max.....Wonder if someone thought they'd live to be that age, hint hint.... they were about to hit 90.....
Rereading some old interviews SS had about the murders he gave a few clues we need answers to. Turns out it was a female relative who was not truthful in the 1st interview and I am wondering who that relative is. SS also said he believes RD was shot a statement he has backed away from. SS claims this was a botched robbery but a botched robbery they wouldn't behead RD . It's easy to get rid of a gun so I don't think the reason for the beheading was to get rid of evidence. How many robbers would bring cement blocks to a robbery? For some reason when using Microsoft edge I can't find the way to post a link
 
  • #712
SS has been giving out false information since the murders happened . SS says there was a white male on the lawn but the person who SAW the white male could not give a description ( gave the description of a white male) sorry but if you can see skin color and the sex of the person i'm betting you can see either height or weight and probably hair color and possibly age ( young or old) . I'm sure SS has the full description of the person on the lawn and probably knows who it is too. I will repeat this again. Robbery was not the motive in this case it was revenge.

Here's why I think SS is lying about evidence he has

1 There seems to be no evidence of blood found in the house except for where the beheading took place. This all happened in the house and he knows the exact location. Even if the killers cleaned up everything they could see I bet they missed blood in the cracks or tiles or fibers in the carpet etc.

2 Immediately he rules out the family and then went on to say EVERYONE is a suspect except me because I know where I was at the time.

3 He said he has all forms of evidence he just needs a suspect to compare them to. This means the killers had no previous criminal convictions and went from solid citizens to killers in their 1st crime ? or does this mean he has the evidence and knows who the prints or dna belongs to but it could be challenged because the killer has been there many times before.?

4 Says he's not sure how many were involved . Foot prints as i'm sure they found many told him how many people were there and if they came in from the front or the back.
 
  • #713
Here's something I find real odd about this case.

87 and 88 year old couple killed and apparently nobody stopped by the house for 4 days. Elderly people check in on each other especially when they were expected at a party and didn't show up and don't answer their phone.

So this elderly couple was due to be at the derby party on Saturday and never showed up . Yes calls were made but no answer. Sorry but something isn't right here. Whoever called to check on them knew they were elderly and had no family close by and decided they'd just go over there in a few days if no response? I could see them waiting a day but 4 days no way. Elderly people always have people to check on them and the Dermonds had friends out there. Elderly people are also nosey and paranoid . I've volunteered in assisted living homes and I know for a fact elderly people are very protective of their communities they know when people have visitors , they know when a car drives down their road, and they constantly check on each other and aren't afraid to call the police with their suspicions.
 
  • #714
Here's something I find real odd about this case.

87 and 88 year old couple killed and apparently nobody stopped by the house for 4 days. Elderly people check in on each other especially when they were expected at a party and didn't show up and don't answer their phone.

So this elderly couple was due to be at the derby party on Saturday and never showed up . Yes calls were made but no answer. Sorry but something isn't right here. Whoever called to check on them knew they were elderly and had no family close by and decided they'd just go over there in a few days if no response? I could see them waiting a day but 4 days no way. Elderly people always have people to check on them and the Dermonds had friends out there. Elderly people are also nosey and paranoid . I've volunteered in assisted living homes and I know for a fact elderly people are very protective of their communities they know when people have visitors , they know when a car drives down their road, and they constantly check on each other and aren't afraid to call the police with their suspicions.

I have always thought it was suspicious that no one checked on the Dermonds for 4 days. Four days!!!! I can understand the family might not be especially close, although I try to call my mother every day or every other day. She is 74. My MIL is 85 and she gets a phone call too. I agree that the D's could very well have lived into their 100s. Did someone get impatient that these people weren't dying soon enough? That's a horrible thought!

1. They had RSVP'd to the Kentucky Derby party. This too has always been curious to me. I believe we have read that the neighbors that hosted the party called when the D's were no shows. I can understand not leaving the party to go and check on the D's, but come on, even after the party no one cared to drive on down to the D's and at least peek around????

2. They did not show up for church service on Sunday. Why didn't Keyes call to check on members of his flock? Maybe he did. Did members of the church also attend the Kentucky Derby Party? I think if I had missed them at the party and then missed them at church that would warrant more phone calls and yes even a drive down to the D's home.

3. I'm sure the D's probably had their mail held if they were going to be out of town for any length. It's not good to let newspapers and mail pile up. When the mail person delivered the mail Monday and Saturday's mail was still in the box did they wonder if something was up?

4. It was only Tuesday when Mrs. D was scheduled to play bridge that someone went to check on them. Four days! The person or persons who did this certainly planned well for these murders.

5. The female relative that lied to SS. That really bothered me too. What on earth could a relative lie about when the parents/grandparents have been murdered?? I'm racking my brain and can't come up with a good excuse. And for SS to tell us that the family members had been cleared?? Really!! Come on! Who does he think he's fooling?

6. The cinder blocks. I think the killer brought them in a boat. I keep thinking about Scott Peterson who made weights especially for sinking a body (JMO). I believe these were landscaping cinder blocks. I don't think Mrs. D was murdered in the home. I think it was much easier for the killer to march her to where they had docked the boat and then hit her on the head from behind. Just my theory that this event began early Saturday morning and they left Saturday night and dumped Mrs. D's body as they left the lake.

IMO, the person or persons who did this were in the D's inner circle and were well aware of the Party that weekend. If not in the D's inner circle, then it was someone still very close to them, like you say Hockeyguy, whose DNA and fingerprints were not unexpected at the crime scene.
 
  • #715
I dont remember that anyone called from or left the party to check on the D's... I agree Hockeyguy, 4 days, Ive been saying that since May 2014! Everyone's calling...and teh children called too, WHY DID THEY NOT HAVE A WELFARE CHECK ON THE PARENTS? If they called several times and calls weren't returned........Here's from the podcaset

We dont have all the information, I would hope SS would open these files to the public and let some of us know more facts, might jog someone's memory, he can't KNOW EVERYTHING and shouldnt be the only one, OR ATLEAST turn it over to a cold case team....this is important, even if he thinks he does know.....this is like genealogy, one person can come in and find something to connect a family that someone else missed for years

These are statements from the podcast, parenthesis are mine
anyway...this:

penetrated skull, 2 times or more hit her in the head with blunt object....
(so was RD also hit? As far as we know, no blood splatter of hers EITHER.......why not just shoot her too if you have a gun, assuming like some think that the beheading was to hide evidence of bullet wound.....if you bludgenoned one why risk shooting the other...SO Probably were both hit in the head......No i think the beheading was for shock factor, whether family hired hit or someone sending message to family )

and this:

didnt want HIS body found right away, towels staunched the flow of blood under garage door, didnt want her found at all...

(If they didnt want her found AT ALL...then why the heck didnt they know or make sure she didnt surface....were these seasoned killers or newbies? Grrr..more questions...seasoned killers would know this body would surface in water due to gas buildup in body....more questions again.....did they want her body found soon so someone could inherit without delay more than 2 weeks? Sometimes I question the guys who found the body)

and this:

CC John Daussso... what is the MOTIVE for someone to take the life of these two old people......

(+seems there is none except somehow related to family)

is it finanancial gain for someone, repayment of a debt to someone, someone has a motive that is close knit in that group


(CLOSE KNIT IN THAT GROUP..............THERE IT IS)
 
  • #716
Actually we may have all the information....SS and others keep saying....for everything that is professinoal looking in this case, there is something equally NOT professional about this case..............there may be other details but nothing pertinent maybe, that would point this case in another direction other than what is already known. .....Id still sure like to know any other details tho that we aren't being offered!
 
  • #717
Dancin' I am looking for a link about the neighbors calling the D's on Saturday. I cannot find it, so I am probably mistaken about the phone call from the neighbors. I think this quote might be what I was thinking of regarding the neighbors.

The neighbors who alerted the authorities about Russ’ death live about a mile from the Dermond place. The neighbors had hosted a Kentucky Derby party the previous Saturday, May 3. The Dermonds had said they’d attend but never showed. So the neighbors, a few days later, went to check on them.

http://www.macon.com/news/local/crime/article30230859.html

And I'm the same with the guys that found Shirley too. I mean you gotta look at them right? More than likely had no involvement other than the incentive could have been the reward which was $25,000? I can't remember if it actually got that high. I figure the fishermen were really familiar with Lake Oconee and maybe just thought if they were to dump a body in the lake where they would dump it and that's why they looked where they did. I don't think they ever received the reward though.

Thinking of the reward though reminds me of the lawyer, Tex McIver. BBL with thoughts on him. Foxfire first brought him to my attention early in the case.
 
  • #718
I do recall reading that the neighbors that found them had ALSO CALLED (more recent article or maybe the podcast) them prior to checking but didnt recall it was on that day of the party dont think it was.......You know how things can nag at you? well from time to time i wonder about the guys that found her....were they fetched to find her? IDK, that's paranoid LOL.....it is a fishing spot tho, dont think they were involved but who knows....

Yes I remember when that info first came out about Tex......the only person who donated other than GWor RP and FBI...........WEIRD, good guy or killer? Cant wait for his trial.....
Dancin' I am looking for a link about the neighbors calling the D's on Saturday. I cannot find it, so I am probably mistaken about the phone call from the neighbors. I think this quote might be what I was thinking of regarding the neighbors.



http://www.macon.com/news/local/crime/article30230859.html

And I'm the same with the guys that found Shirley too. I mean you gotta look at them right? More than likely had no involvement other than the incentive could have been the reward which was $25,000? I can't remember if it actually got that high. I figure the fishermen were really familiar with Lake Oconee and maybe just thought if they were to dump a body in the lake where they would dump it and that's why they looked where they did. I don't think they ever received the reward though.

Thinking of the reward though reminds me of the lawyer, Tex McIver. BBL with thoughts on him. Foxfire first brought him to my attention early in the case.
 
  • #719
So sad to the Dermonds case is still unsolved. Foxfire would not be happy.

Thanks everyone for keeping their thread active.
 
  • #720
I honestly believe SS is hiding something and it's huge. It's been almost 4 years since the murders and not a single word from the district attorney or any other agency's . His interviews are very scripted and he only talks to his reporters because he can control what they report. Something is way off with this investigation either they contaminated the crime scene or mishandled the evidence or just have no clue

Can't wait until May when w hear more lies from Barney Fife it seems this is Georgia's version of groundhog day
 
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