GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #11

[dancinunderthemoon]

I, for one, totally agree hockeyguy3...reading this and seeing it in print also really brings to mind foxfire viewpoint, where SS wants it forgotten...... Ruin his career...... Why does the DA also want it forgotten, Why does the family seem to want it forgotten..... A few things in the front of my mind but the most puzzling for me at this moment is the DA total UNINVOLVEMENT TOO

I can see having faith in law enforcement but after 3 plus years and still no suspect or person of interest why hasn't anyone in the family asked for new investigators ? Why hasn't the district attorneys office commented on this case ? A murder like this happens and any other district attorney would be pushing for results and the office of the district attorney would be involved but not a single word from this DA . Everyone involved or affected seems to be at peace with the results thus far. If SS worked this case everyday he would have it solved unless his department screwed up the case. This case made national news and SS being an elected official should be keeping this in the news yet no updates which tells me he has nothing for evidence and wants this case forgotten because it could ruin his career. SS has only spoken to a handful of reporters and i'm sure he selected them very carefully. There's a reason why the local DA 's office has had no comment on this case. If SS is waiting for a call from someone who knows something he is sure going about it wrong, Nobody is going to call in a tip when they think this is a forgotten case. It makes me mad that SS is doing nothing but sitting at his desk waiting for a call that will never ring his phone.

You want to keep a case like this fresh in everyone's mind and hope a call comes in but if the case is not being talked about nobody will care

End of rant

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Hockey,
this is a small minded town, the out of towners/part timers could make a difference but cannot vote.... The people in this town that are rooted love him,
they love his fame, for lack of a better term.... They worship his cocky narcissim,
he's so cool to them.... This county is corrupt because of its small mindedness.... The sherif DA water dept, all do what the helk they want to...... And of course the people with money buy them all, there is no accountability there.... I've had two small town vacation homes, never again.... But like you say and it hit home after your post..... They ALL WANT IT Forgotten, especially SS and DA..... husband just said they don't want their apple cart upset, the dermond family aren't locals and the dermonds were just old and they don't care... Now if they'd all been from Putnam he'd be working harder but the da and SS like their tight little circle of how they can run things without any accountability and chasing bootleggers...... Da and SS have probably told the family it'll never be solved it was a cult..... That is..... if..... The family isn't involved

I, for one, totally agree hockeyguy3...reading this and seeing it in print also really brings to mind foxfire viewpoint, where SS wants it forgotten...... Ruin his career...... Why does the DA also want it forgotten, Why does the family seem to want it forgotten..... A few things in the front of my mind but the most puzzling for me at this moment is the DA total UNINVOLVEMENT TOO

 

[Deleted member 162919]

I am positive national media has called him for information and updates and i'm positive he gave them the run around. I know he reads this site probably for amusement purposes only or maybe to see if this case is dying out . I'll make a prediction next year on the 4th anniversary he will give us an update same as last year with maybe a new clue. I google the murders on my phone last night and found something but it turned into a virus so I didn't get to read it all I will try to find it tonight

 

[Deleted member 162919]

I just had a thought about the beheading and I apologize is this theory has been mentioned before

What if the beheading was because of a GSW to the head and they needed to get the evidence. This sounds good but I kept thinking and it came to me that they would have to have the weapon and the bullet but here's the big thought. Yes you can trace guns but you still need the weapon unless of course this was a gun used by law enforcement and same with the bullets. This could be why they beheaded Mr Dermond because it would be easy to tell this was a bullet from law enforcement officer so they had to behead him. People get shot and killed all the time but never or rarely beheaded and some have said this beheading was done to hide evidence. When someone gets shot they can tell what weapon was used but they still need the gun to compare. The killer could have easily got rid of the gun instead of beheading the person. But maybe this was a rare type of bullet that a certain department uses and he really needed the bullet instead of just getting rid of the gun.

Just another thought but there has to be a good reason for beheading someone and if it's not rage or revenge then this might be it. This would also explain the police dragging their feet on this case

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Law enforcement would also have known the cameras were out at the security gate

 

[jonnyrock]

Insofar as possible items taken the day of the murder I'm inclined to think otherwise. I'm sure the three surviving adult children each had a mental inventory of assets and collateral items; moreover, since there was a Trust, the most valuable/sentimental items would have been listed as part of the Trust along with names of beneficiaries. Nothing missing means no robbery, so back to square one: why murder an elderly couple?

 

[southernmimi]

What motive would someone in LE have for murdering the Dermonds? Would it be a "dirty cop" for a hired hit or what?

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Just trying to figure out the beheading and that was one idea. I think getting rid of the gun in most cases would be enough for destroying evidence since the police would need the murder weapon to do a comparison and without the gun they would have no convicting evidence. A bullet used by law enforcement could be picked out easily since each department uses the same ammo and once they researched the bullet they could have discovered what department it came from or an idea of who to look for . The crime scene was very clean and not much evidence was found which tells me this killer knew exactly what law enforcement would be looking for. This was no 1st timer who did this and the almost 4 years and no suspect or leads should be proof of that.

What motive would LE have in killing this elderly couple? Money would be a motive but my guess is this was a former LEO maybe a retired LEO out for either revenge or money.

 

[wildebeest]

What motive would someone in LE have for murdering the Dermonds? Would it be a "dirty cop" for a hired hit or what?

IMHO, there’s a good possibility it was a hired hit.

 

[southernmimi]

I can't speak for someone who is no longer with us, but my understanding of Foxfire's idea about the Dermonds was a hired hit connected to the Nuwabian cult as retaliation for SS destroying their "settlement" near Eatonton. The Dermonds were randomly selected, but some of the former members worked at local stores. Some even at the Publix where Mr. Dermond shopped prior to his death so a connection of sorts was possible. I certainly underestimated the power of those connected with the cult, and have no ideas now about whether or not this is a viable explanation of what happened to the Dermonds, but anything is a possibility at this point.

 

[Bootsctr]

Thinking of the Dermonds! Go Dawgs!

 

[Razz]

I can't speak for someone who is no longer with us, but my understanding of Foxfire's idea about the Dermonds was a hired hit connected to the Nuwabian cult as retaliation for SS destroying their "settlement" near Eatonton. The Dermonds were randomly selected, but some of the former members worked at local stores. Some even at the Publix where Mr. Dermond shopped prior to his death so a connection of sorts was possible. I certainly underestimated the power of those connected with the cult, and have no ideas now about whether or not this is a viable explanation of what happened to the Dermonds, but anything is a possibility at this point.

Actually, there used to be a thread specifically for the Nuwambian Cult and how and why they might be involved. I'll see if it's still around.

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[Bootsctr]

I can't speak for someone who is no longer with us, but my understanding of Foxfire's idea about the Dermonds was a hired hit connected to the Nuwabian cult as retaliation for SS destroying their "settlement" near Eatonton. The Dermonds were randomly selected, but some of the former members worked at local stores. Some even at the Publix where Mr. Dermond shopped prior to his death so a connection of sorts was possible. I certainly underestimated the power of those connected with the cult, and have no ideas now about whether or not this is a viable explanation of what happened to the Dermonds, but anything is a possibility at this point.

The leader is in a maximum security prison in Colorado; the same prison as the Unabomber. I think that says a lot about how dangerous he truly was. He still has a following, but not at the level before SS took him down.

 

[Coldpizza]

Actually, there used to be a thread specifically for the Nuwambian Cult and how and why they might be involved. I'll see if it's still around.

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http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?251809-Nuwaubian-Cult

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I dont know Johnnyrock, my parents live next door to me,are much younger than the D's by 15 years and I have no clue what they have or dont have.....we consider ourselves close but we dont get in each other's business............except the D's seemed to be minimalist....... so there's THAT .....not hard to take inventory....The D's and family seemed close enough I guess, visiting but not that close IMO... but maybe like me and my parents situation........but like I said, they didnt seem to have a lot to keep up with as far as household assets so the daughter if any, might have been aware and they were much older.......

Insofar as possible items taken the day of the murder I'm inclined to think otherwise. I'm sure the three surviving adult children each had a mental inventory of assets and collateral items; moreover, since there was a Trust, the most valuable/sentimental items would have been listed as part of the Trust along with names of beneficiaries. Nothing missing means no robbery, so back to square one: why murder an elderly couple?

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

hmm, interesting....but IF they were manned properly

Also about the entrance.....nope, I dont think anyone came by car....unless it was law enforcement..........any family would have been recognized or checked in unless they too had some sticker or sort of ID to pass thru without a check

Any strangers coming through may have been rememberee unless it was a common thing for people to come in, look at property, or visit etc...but if few then they indeed had to stop and check at the gate............

watching Town of Dryden on ID channel......one part said there was no fingerprints in the house.....the killer had his mom go in and clean.......

Law enforcement would also have known the cameras were out at the security gate

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I think it's still up, Nuwabian Cult in the "Parking lot"

Actually, there used to be a thread specifically for the Nuwambian Cult and how and why they might be involved. I'll see if it's still around.

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[dancinunderthemoon]

And with all the deaths surrounding it in I think, what? A year and half span? makes you wonder if it's all corrupt and connected, myabe framing murdere...I know I know, thats only in the movies....but sooo freaky, glad to be out of there actually

I can't speak for someone who is no longer with us, but my understanding of Foxfire's idea about the Dermonds was a hired hit connected to the Nuwabian cult as retaliation for SS destroying their "settlement" near Eatonton. The Dermonds were randomly selected, but some of the former members worked at local stores. Some even at the Publix where Mr. Dermond shopped prior to his death so a connection of sorts was possible. I certainly underestimated the power of those connected with the cult, and have no ideas now about whether or not this is a viable explanation of what happened to the Dermonds, but anything is a possibility at this point.

 

[ilovewings]

Was this the perfect murder? sure seems like it

 

[Bootsctr]

hmm, interesting....but IF they were manned properly

Also about the entrance.....nope, I dont think anyone came by car....unless it was law enforcement..........any family would have been recognized or checked in unless they too had some sticker or sort of ID to pass thru without a check

Any strangers coming through may have been rememberee unless it was a common thing for people to come in, look at property, or visit etc...but if few then they indeed had to stop and check at the gate............

watching Town of Dryden on ID channel......one part said there was no fingerprints in the house.....the killer had his mom go in and clean.......

I lean toward the gates were manned properly, so that's why I think the killer/s came by boat. I think I remember SS requesting CCTV footage from neighbors. . . . . I guess nothing ever came of that. It was strange that the cameras were down for so long without being repaired. But I'm sticking with the killer/s came by boat theory.

I've been watching the Town of Dryden too! lol! Great minds right? Horrible all the tragedies that befell that small town. Almost like someone broke a mirror and they had 7 years of bad luck.