GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #12

[Deleted member 162919]

It's like putting a puzzle together and these pieces certainly are part of the puzzle. He also fits the description of someone SS suspects knows something about the murders as in when he said the person refused to speak to local law enforcement) all seems oddly suspicious to me

 

[TJtennispro]

I’ve got tons more video but I felt it was best to not post the dam video and the route from dam to Dermonds because it would just cause arguments about locations.

I just wanted everyone to get a feel for cove at least. The neighbor that has the house on the right also pulled in as I was coming out of the cove by the REM guys house which is further in then the video posts. When the jet ski does a 360 you can see the house. Anyway his Pontoon and 12 people came piling in and they knew what I was doing.

Anyway that house is the location from the Sworn Podcast. When they said it’s what she didn’t see I now know why. It’s impossible to see anything going on in that yard. Skin color would even be difficult. She probably assumed it was Russ that day because that yard is the most difficult yard to see through. I was shocked!

Also you could drag a body from the house to the dock during the middle of the day and nobody could see a damn thing. It’s literally like looking into a Amazon Rain Forrest.

 

[TJtennispro]

My friends Dad who is a veterinarian that lives on the lake said that only a doctor, taxidermist or extremely experienced hunter could cut off a head with a knife using a shirt collar as a guide. He said it’s not easy and that should seriously limit the potential perps.

It's like putting a puzzle together and these pieces certainly are part of the puzzle. He also fits the description of someone SS suspects knows something about the murders as in when he said the person refused to speak to local law enforcement) all seems oddly suspicious to me

 

[TristanP]

I’ve got tons more video but I felt it was best to not post the dam video and the route from dam to Dermonds because it would just cause arguments about locations.

I just wanted everyone to get a feel for cove at least. The neighbor that has the house on the right also pulled in as I was coming out of the cove by the REM guys house which is further in then the video posts. When the jet ski does a 360 you can see the house. Anyway his Pontoon and 12 people came piling in and they knew what I was doing.

Anyway that house is the location from the Sworn Podcast. When they said it’s what she didn’t see I now know why. It’s impossible to see anything going on in that yard. Skin color would even be difficult. She probably assumed it was Russ that day because that yard is the most difficult yard to see through. I was shocked!

Also you could drag a body from the house to the dock during the middle of the day and nobody could see a damn thing. It’s literally like looking into a Amazon Rain Forrest.

I still don’t quite understand the comment about what the neighbors “didn’t see”. The sheriff’s comment was something along the lines of the neighbor having credible information because of what she didn’t see? I can’t recall exactly. Will you explain that for me a little more if you can please?

 

[1&2&3]

Now that is has been some time and people are beginning to discuss it, I will express my thoughts.

From the beginning, I have never understood why the daughter, who is the one who was getting a divorce, was not quite trueful to SS. What was she hiding and not being up front about? The next time SS talked with her, she admitted she had not been up front and supposedly told him the truth.

What in the world could she have been deceitful to SS about? Did she lie to him that she was in a happy marriage and not mention the divorce? The only reason I could think of this, is she didn’t want her parents to know about the divorce when she was down to visit earlier. Or had her soon to be ex said ugly things about her parents and she was afraid he might have hurt them to get back at her? What are your thoughts?

 

[TJtennispro]

It was discussed in this podcast with SS

‎Sworn: The Lake Oconee Murders : Part 1 on Apple Podcasts

I still don’t quite understand the comment about what the neighbors “didn’t see”. The sheriff’s comment was something along the lines of the neighbor having credible information because of what she didn’t see? I can’t recall exactly. Will you explain that for me a little more if you can please?

 

[TJtennispro]

SS hasn’t released what they didn’t see but he might be hiding something. He has two suspects and one is the man seen on the lawn. You can see from the video I posted it’s impossible to see up through all the trees and leaves into the Dermond yard.

You could make out the color of a leg for instance but not much else.

I still don’t quite understand the comment about what the neighbors “didn’t see”. The sheriff’s comment was something along the lines of the neighbor having credible information because of what she didn’t see? I can’t recall exactly. Will you explain that for me a little more if you can please?

 

[TJtennispro]

SS has said that “the 46 feet of water where she was dropped was intended to be SD tomb”

About Shirley

Found this information.........

It gets really interesting when the body was emerged in water for a while (Maceration). The epidermal layer of the skin absorbs water and loosens from the dermis with in a few hours.

.......

So it would seem someone might think the body would just deteriorate and break down and stay submerged

But the same people involved in this KNEW WHERE To decapitate RD to make it simpler, well due to it being the least area to cut through

SO.......did they really think she'd stay submerged?

Who was the person that can cut so precisely to decapitate someone then submerge SD with so many mistakes? OR were they??

She had cording wrapped around her legs like 4 times or more I cant remember exactly, on each ankle

does tying that many times cause a body to stay under? Or does the WEIGHT attached to her cause a body to stay submerged?

Does tying someone that many times cause the skin and bone to separate quicker?

I'd like to know since being submerged causes skin slippage to occur quicker.........what else happens??

What was the reason for tying her so securely yet not enough weight to keep her submerged and not puncturing the lungs to prevent gases from escaping so she wouldnt surface?

I know people say no one knows this but if you want to get away with a murder and you know how to cut a head in the precise location for an easy decap.............seems they know more than they appear.........and yes I know no one is perfect but so far SO GOOD, no evidence to ID this person yet anyway

 

[ParkerHamilton]

Russell Dermond's head gotta be in that lake

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Russell Dermond's head gotta be in that lake

I would say his head is in the lake and probably within a mile of where Mrs D was dumped but you never know it's a crazy world.

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Lets examine some of the causes for divorce not them but just divorce in general. Drugs, cheating, Gambling, drinking, violence, sudden mental problems. i'm sure there is more but I think those are the most common. Maybe the D's were supporting their daughter by way of securing her a very good divorce attorney. It's all speculation at this point but I stand firm on my thought that whoever killed them knew them well and knew the area well. SS says he has 2 suspects he suspects at least has knowledge of the murders but both refused to take a polygraph and 1 refused to speak with him and the other refused to speak with local law enforcement this is from the last podcast by Levi. Also during the 1st round of questioning the female who I suspect is the daughter lied about something and was questioned again and broke down when SS took a firmer tone with her. There is a granddaughter who was about 22 at the time of the murders so maybe it could be her or maybe Mark Dermonds kid who was probably in her 20's also.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Very interesting, hockey. I had no idea about the occupation of the ex. The timing of the daughter’s visit is curious, also the fact that SS said a female family member had not been entirely truthful.

IMHO

2 of those in the family though, both from atl originally

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Lets examine some of the causes for divorce not them but just divorce in general. Drugs, cheating, Gambling, drinking, violence, sudden mental problems. i'm sure there is more but I think those are the most common. Maybe the D's were supporting their daughter by way of securing her a very good divorce attorney. It's all speculation at this point but I stand firm on my thought that whoever killed them knew them well and knew the area well. SS says he has 2 suspects he suspects at least has knowledge of the murders but both refused to take a polygraph and 1 refused to speak with him and the other refused to speak with local law enforcement this is from the last podcast by Levi. Also during the 1st round of questioning the female who I suspect is the daughter lied about something and was questioned again and broke down when SS took a firmer tone with her. There is a granddaughter who was about 22 at the time of the murders so maybe it could be her or maybe Mark Dermonds kid who was probably in her 20's also.

HOckey I think it mentioned "daughter" in one of the articles and DG either pm'd or posted that.......but I think it was the daughter

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

The neighbor of the Dermonds

Sat May 3, 2014 - unnamed neighbor reportedly saw a man on Ds' property, per Sheriff Sills

 

[TJtennispro]

I’ve been told it was the daughter as well.

Lets examine some of the causes for divorce not them but just divorce in general. Drugs, cheating, Gambling, drinking, violence, sudden mental problems. i'm sure there is more but I think those are the most common. Maybe the D's were supporting their daughter by way of securing her a very good divorce attorney. It's all speculation at this point but I stand firm on my thought that whoever killed them knew them well and knew the area well. SS says he has 2 suspects he suspects at least has knowledge of the murders but both refused to take a polygraph and 1 refused to speak with him and the other refused to speak with local law enforcement this is from the last podcast by Levi. Also during the 1st round of questioning the female who I suspect is the daughter lied about something and was questioned again and broke down when SS took a firmer tone with her. There is a granddaughter who was about 22 at the time of the murders so maybe it could be her or maybe Mark Dermonds kid who was probably in her 20's also.

 

[TJtennispro]

If I post more what would y’all be interested in seeing? The location of the Dermond home is the most significant as it’s hidden.

Kirby Smart the Georgia football coach has his house completely hidden by trees as well but it’s not tucked back in a hidden creepy cove.

Going all the way in that cove past the video was honestly scary. I couldn’t see anything and it’s so narrow!

The house screams PRIVACY! No way this was random. I’m surprised that the two names that are SS suspects have never made it into the public just to pressure them. He told Levy the case was cold and the younger Dermond’s never returned Levy’s request for talking on the podcast.

IMO they know more than they’re letting on.

 

[Deleted member 162919]

I am positive SS knows who did this and just has to wait. SS did say in the last Levi podcast the 2 he suspects know they are suspects which might explain the family being very quiet. I know if my parents were killed and after 5 years no arrest i'd be calling on a new investigator to be brought in ( GBI)

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Statement analysts would agree there seems to be deceit in their statements and interviews, that's been looked at from the beginning

Now that is has been some time and people are beginning to discuss it, I will express my thoughts.

From the beginning, I have never understood why the daughter, who is the one who was getting a divorce, was not quite trueful to SS. What was she hiding and not being up front about? The next time SS talked with her, she admitted she had not been up front and supposedly told him the truth.

What in the world could she have been deceitful to SS about? Did she lie to him that she was in a happy marriage and not mention the divorce? The only reason I could think of this, is she didn’t want her parents to know about the divorce when she was down to visit earlier. Or had her soon to be ex said ugly things about her parents and she was afraid he might have hurt them to get back at her? What are your thoughts?

I agree, what is there to be deceitful about? You have some good points

If I post more what would y’all be interested in seeing? The location of the Dermond home is the most significant as it’s hidden.

Kirby Smart the Georgia football coach has his house completely hidden by trees as well but it’s not tucked back in a hidden creepy cove.

Going all the way in that cove past the video was honestly scary. I couldn’t see anything and it’s so narrow!

The house screams PRIVACY! No way this was random. I’m surprised that the two names that are SS suspects have never made it into the public just to pressure them. He told Levy the case was cold and the younger Dermond’s never returned Levy’s request for talking on the podcast.

IMO they know more than they’re letting on.

 

[TJtennispro]

I agree that he knows but wouldn’t you need to keep a tail on that person 24/7? Wiretap their phone. GPS monitor their car or boat?

Unless it was a familial or family related so they don’t perceive another murder happening yet?

I’m listening to Culpable which is amazing and the mother has put so much pressure on that case that it took 5 years to get her sons’s caee file, 911 call released and cell phone information. The AG of Mississippi released it yesterday from a death that happened in 2014! Yesterday! All because it’s currently the number 14 podcast in the country.

Innocent family members TALK. my opinions are my own.

I am positive SS knows who did this and just has to wait. SS did say in the last Levi podcast the 2 he suspects know they are suspects which might explain the family being very quiet. I know if my parents were killed and after 5 years no arrest i'd be calling on a new investigator to be brought in ( GBI)

 

[deugirtni]

It is much simpler to just wait for that phone to ring.