GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 2

[oceanblueeyes]

Amen! That's why I'm surprised the children left so quickly. I felt like she would be found sooner than later. Well at least now the Dermonds can be put to rest together. It gives me some peace that she was found. :heartbeat:

I really don't think anyone... including her family..thought she would be found this quickly. In fact there was much discussion that she may never be found.

I am sure the children will come back as quickly as they did the day the found out about all of this. Their flight is probably touching down soon or has already landed.

IMO

 

[Treelights]

I was thinking that the murderer had a sword. May be past military or a knife and sword collector.

IMO

Or even someone who is interested in "role- playing" using a sword or knife.
IMOO.

 

[OLDMACONBOY]

LOL! That is exactly what he is and nothing more.



He could probably use the money.



He found her and he deserves the reward.



IMO

Exactly. Exactly. I grew up around middle ga and have lived in rural ga all my 43 years. He is just one of us and like everybody in rural ga just trying to work hard and survive.


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[Carolinapeach]

Richard Elliot WSB - Twitter

Just spoke w/ the two fishermen who discovered the body of Shirley Dermond on Lake Oconee. Both are heartbroken. Their story at 11p. #wsbtv

 

[Plumeria5]

I was thinking about the poor fisherman that discovered SD's body earlier. Glad he has been identified, and imo, Mr. D Higgs should be saluted for his instincts and awareness. As a fisherman myself, fishing is very relaxing and normally serene. It is almost a form of therapy. Fishing will never be the same again for Mr. Higgs. In fact, after today's traumatic experience, Mr D. Higgs will likely need long term therapy.

I say give him the $20,000.00 Reward.. to purchase a new boat...

Mr D. Higgs, in his little crappie dingy with his grass cutting neighbor buddy, accomplished what DNR & PCSO couldn't do in two weeks, with the latest equipment and sonar technology. Who knows how many manpower hours and at what expense?

Most folks that have been following missing/murdered person's cases are aware that hunters, fishermen, hikers, bicyclists, dog walkers, and other outdoors persons are usually responsible for their discoveries..

BBM And it seems that is how it happens 99.9% of the time.

 

[Bootsctr]

I really don't think anyone... including her family..thought she would be found this quickly. In fact there was much discussion that she may never be found.

I am sure the children will come back as quickly as they did the day the found out about all of this. Their flight is probably touching down soon or has already landed.

IMO

Well they were putting off their father's burial until she was found. Perhaps they will be cremated. Just got the impression LE thought she was in the lake. They were certainly swarming it and doing careful sonar. Glad Mr. Higgs found her.

 

[Bootsctr]

See the link below:

It is not uncommon to be attacked and dismembered even by an 8 footer. These animals weigh hundreds of pounds and have terrific mechanical advantage in their jaws and tails. Imagine a 500LB pit bull with the agility of a cat.

It was said that the cars were parked in the garage, meaning the area might have been crowded, obstructed and impassible.

The gator could have been in the garage hiding beneath a car and then startled by RD or SD. Suppose RD confronts it, it is backed in a corner, gets panicky, lunges and crushes his scull. His heart stops, the gator then decapitates him and swallows his head. Meanwhile SD hearing the commotion tries to protect RD and is likewise attacked, and dragged to the water as a result.

Maybe the investigators are mistaking the tracks of a gator dragging SD away from the garage as being a body dragged toward the garage.

Was the garage door open or closed when the body was found? Does the garage door automatically close after a while? Yes there are security gadgets that do that for you.

Check for strange bodily fluids, run DNA testing. (takes weeks) compare lacerations to known species.

Maybe there is a bullet in SD, then that would be a different story, but this is so bizarre that you have to consider a person would not do this.

If the investigators are not at least considering this possibility and having DNR search for gators, they may be wasting their time looking for a two legged "drifter".


List of fatal alligator attacks in the United States by decade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Okay, I'll bite. NO pun intended. So why was Mrs. Dermond found in the lake? The article says there is no indication of trauma to her body. I know alligators get into people's garages and up in yards and under houses. It just doesn't explain Mrs. Dermond.

 

[gngr~snap]

I'd like to point out where the Dermond's home is in relation to the dam.
The dam is marked by a yellow box towards the middle right of picture.
IMO there is no way Mrs. D traveled on the lake floor and ended up at the dam.
I did look up the water temps ad I believe it was reported as 74-80° - that is the top few feet.
Whether she was in 20 ft or 50 ft water it would be much colder.
Moo
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[Plumeria5]

I wanted to look at the waterway to see how a boat would have traveled from the Dermond's to Wallace Dam. Ignore the driving directions. Someone a little more map savy could maybe do this without them.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/147...0x88f6933494747809:0xd2093a227a446088!1m0!3e0

 

[Plumeria5]

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You beat me by a minute! Ha! Great minds think alike I guess!:seeya:

 

[OTPTarheel]

Back in the day I worked for a large home builder in metro ATL. People always wanted to know if the new subdivision would be gated...usually they were not. There was a study that had crime statistics of a gated,exclusive subdivision vs. a non-gated just around the corner. Similar pricing, features, location.
Guess which had the higher crime stats?
Yep.
The gated one.
People are lulled into a false sense of security with those gates...

 

[Bootsctr]

Good job everybody! Thank you Mr. Higgs! RIP Mr. and Mrs. Dermond. :bedtime:

 

[Bootsctr]

Back in the day I worked for a large home builder in metro ATL. People always wanted to know if the new subdivision would be gated...usually they were not. There was a study that had crime statistics of a gated,exclusive subdivision vs. a non-gated just around the corner. Similar pricing, features, location.
Guess which had the higher crime stats?
Yep.
The gated one.
People are lulled into a false sense of security with those gates...

Sort of like Gun control. Chicago has a gun ban yet they have the highest crime and death rate related to guns. . . . Just saying! If it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't true.

 

[Carolinapeach]

That interview made me want to cry. Heartbreaking.

 

[Backwoods]

Folks, unless I am mistaken, the "one clean slice" decapitation is still under the "RUMOR" category here -- didn't that come from a poster passing it on from an "unnamed source"? Even so, may well be true, but....

I'm puzzled by the middle of the lake vs. along the treeline thing, too. Wonder if Mr. Higgs let something slip that LE was trying to keep quiet...?

The way the reward is worded -- well, I'm not sure Mr. Higgs will get it, or all of it, anyhow. I don't blame him for not wanting to be thrown out of the running altogether, though.

 

[Rhyolite]

Okay, I'll bite. NO pun intended. So why was Mrs. Dermond found in the lake? The article says there is no indication of trauma to her body. I know alligators get into people's garages and up in yards and under houses. It just doesn't explain Mrs. Dermond.

Reread my post, the alligator took its prey SD to the water where it is comfortable doing what alligators do. Heck my cat drags all kinds of live lizards and mice home to get my approval.

The damn alligator killed RD - IN THE GARAGE, then dragged SD to the lake. The investigators believed SD was walked off by kidnappers and mistook the tracks of SD's body dragged toward the lake/dock as RD's body dragged back to the garage.

This case is so weird that at some point (absent evidence of a man-made weapon) that you have to consider that a human did not do this. There is no logical reason to take a head (unless to eat it) and leave one body while taking the other (unless you intend to eat it).

You will remember that you read it here first when it turns out to be the case.

 

[Backwoods]

That interview made me want to cry. Heartbreaking.

Is there a link to the interview? thanks...

 

[MotherOcean]

This is driving me bonkers ... no matter what theory you believe of what led up to the killings, the fact they left Mr. D in the garage yet took Mrs. D away & dumped her in the lake makes absolutely no sense. No matter if it was a serial killer, a vengeful neighbor/relative/friend/enemy, a random deranged/drugged person, what reason could there be to not leave Mrs. D there also??

It makes sense if the perp. kept her alive for some period of time. He could have kept her for a short while, long enough to fulfill whatever sick fantasies he had, but kept her nonetheless. He may have wanted her on his own turf. Possibly his own home, a campsite, or even just the boat. That is the only possibility that makes sense to me, in regards to why she wasn't left at the home.

 

[gngr~snap]

Sounds like someone wants to make sure he get's the reward.

Maybe he just doesn't approve of the neighborhood and people who live in the surrounding area being told an alternate story of how Mrs. D was found.
Why not tell people the truth in the first place?



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[Backwoods]

If "no obvious trauma" to Mrs. D's body is true, I think we have to consider that perp may have thrown her overboard alive (oh, I hope not), that she may have had a heart attack or similar and died and thus became"useless" to the perp for any extortion/theft plan, or maybe perp/s had chloroformed her (or something similar) and they overdid it.