GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 2

[gngr~snap]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/16/justice/georgia-elderly-couple-killed/
She was found in the lake.

There are 2 stories. I am not sure why that surprises me.
The fisherman has one story and the sheriff has another.

Rediculous.

"He says the body of an elderly woman was "hung up" at the tree line."
http://m.msgr.com/mobile/news/article_2019c256-dd4a-11e3-a5f1-001a4bcf887a.html

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[Bootsctr]

And to the best of my memory, the gator wasn't mentioned as a suspect in MSM. So, therefore we can't sleuth him. :tongue:

:coffeeup: Pardon me. I'm a little late to the conversation this morning :whiteflag: so if y'all will bear with me with one more comment about the gator. :gator: Please no knives or swords please :bud: cguru: Gators are known to stash their prey to come back and eat it later too. Okay. That's it. Hit me with a fish - I'll take the tongue lashes. Just felt I had to get that in. Promise I won't sleuth the gator no more. Do watch Swamp people if you get a chance. :cowcouch: :bigstick: :trout:

 

[Bootsctr]

By what authority? The DNR? If so please show me where DNR has made such an assessment.

I'm with you. Never say never right? Truth is stranger is fiction and nothing would surprise me. I have bird feeders. I see birds all the time that are not normally seen in this part of Texas although it is part of a migration path and birds are known to alter their migration pattern in relations to food availability.

P.S.: Notice there was no mention of any reptile of any sort in this post except for the P.S. part.

 

[gngr~snap]

:coffeeup: Pardon me. I'm a little late to the conversation this morning :whiteflag: so if y'all will bear with me with one more comment about the gator. :gator: Please no knives or swords please :bud: cguru: Gators are known to stash their prey to come back and eat it later too. Okay. That's it. Hit me with a fish - I'll take the tongue lashes. Just felt I had to get that in. Promise I won't sleuth the gator no more. Do watch Swamp people if you get a chance. :cowcouch: :bigstick: :trout:

Gators are lazy. Why would it EVER need to leave the lake to eat?

"With an estimated 433 pounds of fish per acre, Lake Oconee contains nearly twice what is typically found in lakes in the region, making it the ideal place for beginners and experts alike to wet a line. Favorite species for local anglers include largemouth, hybrid, white and striped bass. Also plentiful are crappie, bluegill, sunfish and three types of (sometimes gargantuan) catfish."

https://www.reynoldsplantation.com/play-here/fishing

Shirley Dermond was in that lake 2 weeks. No gator ate her.
moo

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[Bootsctr]

Ummmmm... consider the perpetrators came by boat...left by boat...she left on the boat but then was discarded over the boat... and then..... consider, alligators were not involved.....

Ummmmmmmm.... and we positively know this how? Not being snarky. Just thinking the perps could live right there, own a boat, used their boat to discard Ms. Dermond and then brought the boat right back to their pier with no one the wiser. She could have been dumped off the Dermond's own pier or the perp's pier and drifted all that way toward the dam. I welcome any and all points of view especially those that are different from my own. I learn a lot by listening to other folks' opinions. Thank you for sharing your theory. FWIW - :twocents: I don't think a gator did this, but I am not ruling out that there could be an alligator in Lake Oconee. If there is an alligator there, I'm pretty sure he's innocent and we are sleuthing him against TOS. :loveyou:

 

[Bootsctr]

Cuss that's whut it means.


In all seriousness, there are waves constantly moving toward the shore. The body was probably dumped on the way back to wherever the perps were getting out of the lake. Assuming even the middle of the lake, its only about (at most) a half a mile to the shore. Once the body became mobile (MO bile ) it shouldn't take long to drift to the edge where it was snagged by the local flora.

Thank you. This answers my question that she couldn't have been dumped at a pier. She was dumped more likely in the lake at the deepest point and the the current and waves would bring her to the edge where it was "snagged by the local flora." This makes sense to me.

 

[hot cawfeee]

Good Morning sweetlings....I have been popping in and out and commenting b/c I had nothing to contribute other than what I stated previously. This poor lady and man......I have no words and you know that is surprising for me. It had alwys been my sense that Shirley had been killed soon after her abduction. I hope we are going to be kept in the loop as to details of the investigation.

Shirley ..pray for us all down here and guide LE to the miserable, vile, sub-human, savage pieces of garbage that murdered you and your dear husband.

 

[Bootsctr]

What was the question that proceeded his remark?

The Sheriff was upset and in no mood to suffer fools gladly.

I agree. Sheriff Sills is taking this personally. I would venture to say he was in no mood for stupid questions and gawkers. He feels responsible that two people were murdered on his watch. I stand by Sheriff Sills. It is good that Mrs. Dermond has been found, but on the other hand the killer or killers are still out there. I'd be grumpy too! I feel Sheriff Sills has been honest and forthright from the beginning. He's been forthcoming with more information than I've seen in any other investigations I have followed. He's a good man. If anybody can find the killers, my money is on Sheriff Sills. I think he's probably a good ole boy too! :moo: and just my :twocents:

 

[giagreen]

I keep thinking that this perp is a psychopath and was out for a thrill kill who is just starting out.

Why behead one victim but not the other? Why behead a victim then leave his body in his garage.

Seems to me dismembering someone is done for three reasons either to prolong identification which doesn't seem to be the case here because they left his body behind and new it would at some point be found and identified.

Or someone dismembers a body so its easier to dispose of the victim and what happen to them.

Or you dismember a body because you just started killing and don't know yet what you like and are experimenting.

I'm personally leaning towards this as someones first thrill kill. If not his first then one of his first. Maybe he beheaded the mister and decided it was a little more gruesome then they expected or that it was to messy. Maybe even realized it was unnecessary when they just could dump them in the lake?

Or maybe the perp only took his head to taunt his wife with it before he killed her.

Idk just my 2 cents. And only MO.

 

[ClaireNC]

It was my impression that he called the FBI because he didn't like the way the 911 call was responded to.
Moo

Referring to this article: http://www.msgr.com/news/article_2019c256-dd4a-11e3-a5f1-001a4bcf887a.html

I get the impression that he called the FBI because he wants the reward. He said (paraphrased) "he wants everybody to know that he was the one that called the FBI and the reports that DNR found the body are not true."

The Messenger article also says that the reward was offered "for information leading to the location of Shirley Wilcox Dermond and/or the arrest of the individual(s) responsible for her disappearance."

Whereas this article: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/body-beheaded-mans-wife-likely-found-georgia-lake-n107736 states that he does not qualify for the reward because it was offered only for information that leads to an arrest.

 

[Bootsctr]

87 is more than just old.

Beheading was assumed to be beyond her physical capabilities.

Ouch! I'm 48. I work with two ladies who are well into their 70s. They are sharp as tacks and can put out twice as much work as someone half their age. Do I think Mrs. Dermond decapitated her husband? No. But I think her brain was much, much younger. I consider it highly rewarding working with someone older and wiser than I. Their knowledge is invaluable. :truce:

 

[gngr~snap]

Thank you. This answers my question that she couldn't have been dumped at a pier. She was dumped more likely in the lake at the deepest point and the the current and waves would bring her to the edge where it was "snagged by the local flora." This makes sense to me.

This explains how when a drowned body reaches the bottom it really doesn't travel much.

http://www.operationtakemehome.org/sar/Fire and Rescue Personnel/Biology of drowning.pdf
1st page last paragraph, 2nd page 1st paragraph.
I can't copy and quote a pdf.

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[OLDMACONBOY]

I agree. Sheriff Sills is taking this personally. I would venture to say he was in no mood for stupid questions and gawkers. He feels responsible that two people were murdered on his watch. I stand by Sheriff Sills. It is good that Mrs. Dermond has been found, but on the other hand the killer or killers are still out there. I'd be grumpy too! I feel Sheriff Sills has been honest and forthright from the beginning. He's been forthcoming with more information than I've seen in any other investigations I have followed. He's a good man. If anybody can find the killers, my money is on Sheriff Sills. I think he's probably a good ole boy too! :moo: and just my :twocents:

Well said. Very well said


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[Xara]

Okay, WHAT?

Higgs, who said he had gallbladder surgery about four weeks ago, was "doing some work around the house" earlier in the afternoon, saw his neighbor cutting grass, and suggested they go fishing for crappie.

"As we rode down the water, I noticed something just didn't look right," Higgs said. "Something was out of order. I saw (something) hung up on a tree – and I was 99 percent sure it was a body.

"I thought, 'Holy crap. That doesn't look right.'

http://www.msgr.com/news/article_2019c256-dd4a-11e3-a5f1-001a4bcf887a.html

Weren't we given the impression the body of Mrs. Dermond was recovered form the middle of the lake?

How exacly is there brush at the middle of this lake?

Sorry if this has been posted, I just woke up and haven't caught up yet......I just turned on HLN and a man named Ronnie was being interviewed.....his exact words were:
" it became apparent as we pulled closer that it wasn't just something floating in the water, it was a person"

WTH?

 

[Bootsctr]

Get a weird feeling after reading this.

Yes. Weird feeling. Hinky and stinky - just :moo: and :twocents:

1. It's too much information. Why feel the need to explain that you had gallbladder surgery 4 weeks ago? To make sure no one suspected you were capable of beheading a man and abducting his wife.

"XXXX, who said he had gallbladder surgery about four weeks ago, was "doing some work around the house" earlier in the afternoon, saw his neighbor cutting grass, and suggested they go fishing for crappie."

2. Let LE hold the press conferences and announce that Mrs. Dermond has been found. He sounds like a damn leprechaun who has found a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow - good ole boy or not.

____________, a 49-year-old Putnam County resident, says he is the fisherman who discovered Shirley Dermond's body in the waters of the Oconee River.

_____ called The Messenger office shortly after 6:30 p.m. to say he had been fishing with a neighbor when he saw something that "just didn't look right."


http://www.msgr.com/news/article_2019c256-dd4a-11e3-a5f1-001a4bcf887a.html

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[Nuvolari]

Fox News reported that the remains were found at or near the Long Shoals boat ramp, which is about 4.5 miles from the D Home. The Wallace Dam is another 5 miles or so from Long Shoals. That boat ramp is in Putnam County.

Hopefully attached lake map...

Now I'm back to the timeline as in my prior post.

The question remains about the D's clothing, and the condition of the bed at the crime scene. If both corpses are dressed in sleeping clothes when discovered and the bed was found unmade, how could it be that the crime was committed during the daytime? And if the front door was open or at least unlocked while the other entries were locked, and given the son said they were very security minded, wouldn't it seem they were awakened from sleep by something and went to the front door and opened it? Who would get up in the middle of the night and go open the front door for a stranger? Any knock or noise of any strange type in the middle of the night would cause significant fear, wouldn't it?

But they might have felt safe if the visitor was known...

 

[Bootsctr]

I'm still not totally convinced that everything was done by boat. I mean -- it's very likely, especially with Shirley found where she was. But I'm just not able to rule out other possibilities (drove in the gate, came in on foot from the perimeter somewhere).

If perp/s drove in, it's still possible they could have used the lake as a place to "dispose of" Shirley. Drove somewhere else on the lake, with a ramp or something. Or to another location and THEN used a boat. After all, it's a big body of water -- one of the favorite spots, it seems, for murderers to dispose of remains.

I like the way you think. Nothing can be ruled out at this point. We can see what seems the most likely scenario, but that means nothing, especially if the perp is trying to lead investigators AWAY from the community. Again, just my :moo: and :twocents:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

If this murderer is ever caught, and I pray they are, I will not be shocked who it turns out to be. But I do believe those in that community will be shocked and rocked to their core.

Someone in that vicinity has been thinking long and hard about doing this crime. They are very detailed and have organized thinking. IMO.

I continue to believe removing Russ's head was done to make a point. The point was to drive fear into everyone that lives there. It worked just like he knew it would. Those that were just so sure their elite neighborhood was safe from something like this will never be the same again.

I don't believe the Dermonds were murdered because of any personal reasons to do with them or their children or any of their family members. They were used as tools by the murderer to get his point across.

I do think it is one lone sociopath. That is why they had to drag Russ' torso a little ways into the garage. They were not able to lift it up like they would be if they had help.

Most murderers like this act alone.

IMO

 

[Bootsctr]

It is probably a crank. There are idiots out there that can't help themselves but make folks upset by calling after a death to either reveal something about the deceased (ex girlfriends) or college kids getting their yucks by saying they are with the Insane Clown Posse and they grabbed your mother.

I'm leaning toward crank calls - lots of people get off on that kind of sick behavior too. I hope the phone calls were traced and the person who made those calls is arrested for interfering with an investigation. It would serve them right.

 

[gngr~snap]

Fox News reported that the remains were found at or near the Long Shoals boat ramp, which is about 4.5 miles from the Dermond Home. The Wallace Dam is another 5 miles or so from Long Shoals. That boat dock is in Putnam County.

Hopefully attached lake map...

Now I'm back to the timeline as in my prior post.

The question remains about the D's clothing, and the condition of the bed at the crime scene. If both corpses are dressed in sleeping clothes when discovered and the bed was found unmade, how could it be that the crime was committed during the daytime? And if the front door was open or at least unlocked while the other entries were locked, and given the son said they were very security minded, wouldn't it seem they were awakened from sleep by something and went to the front door and opened it? Who would get up in the middle of the night and go open the front door for a stranger? Any knock or noise of any strange type in the middle of the night would cause significant fear, wouldn't it?

But they might have felt safe if the visitor was known...

I thought the Long Shoals boat ramp was right there at the dam about where the yellow straight line comes in from the right. Moo

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