GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 3

Cardinal47 · May 18, 2014

Canaille said:
Could the killer have placed her there as a resting spot, one where he could return to "visit" her?

It's the best fishing spot. They knew she would be found quickly by fishermen!

atthelake · May 18, 2014

tomkat said:
he walked early, right? they were in street clothes, they didn't get their morning saturday mail, she had worked the crossword puzzle in fri's paper, it was after 430 probably but before or just after supper, not stomach contents have been mentioned, so maybe before supper, she was cooking, had already ralaxed a bit and done the puzzle, she heard a noise outside, or he did and then later came in for her, or she came out looking for him, I hope and pray she did NOT WITNESS that scene, poor woman, poor man, gosh, yes it was a surprise, maybe even knew them, why it wasn't messy

JM thoughts, throwing it around

Newspaper in my hood is delivered before 7am. Mail is not delivered until AFTER 6 pm.

Treelights · May 18, 2014

"Officials said that based on their investigation, they have been able to narrow the time-frame of Russell Dermond's murder to somewhere between 4:30 p.m., on Friday, May 2 – when the mail was delivered – to 4 p.m. on Saturday, May 3, when the couple did not show up for a party."
http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/lo...05/16/lake-oconee-body-putnam-county/9187743/

Bethanthony · May 18, 2014

http://m.msgr.com/mobile/news/article_5a998b5a-dbb5-11e3-9e5d-001a4bcf887a.html

Houston, we have a problem. The Dermonds have nine grandchildren, as stated in the obituary.

I can only count eight.

Plumeria5 · May 18, 2014

Treelights said:
"Officials said that based on their investigation, they have been able to narrow the time-frame of Russell Dermond's murder to somewhere between 4:30 p.m., on Friday, May 2 – when the mail was delivered – to 4 p.m. on Saturday, May 3, when the couple did not show up for a party."
http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/lo...05/16/lake-oconee-body-putnam-county/9187743/

So they did pick up their Friday 4:30 pm mail. Or, should I say, someone took out their mail on Friday.

What if someone posed as a mailman and brought the mail to the door on Friday? They opened the door...

Cardinal47 · May 18, 2014

Hickory Born said:
It is still haunting me about their home being so clean and "immaculate" according to Sheriff Sills. We have been told they did not have outside cleaning help. Will somebody please tell me how Mr. or Mrs. D cleaned all those floor to ceiling windows on the back of their house which faces the lake?

Windex window cleaner that attaches to your hose. It's quick and easy and does a good job!

trigger · May 18, 2014

tlcya said:
If the ME has stated that a crowbar is the weapon could someone link it please. Sorry but I must have missed it while I selpt last night. I believe LE are looking for something along the lines (similar) to a crowbar and have surmised they do so based on ME findings but I have not seen where it has been confirmed that ME says - crowbar. Thanks for any help in getting caught up.

They never said crow When The sheriff said he is doing something else on the lake, but declined to elaborate. A poster then said maybe they will use a metal detector to scan lake to find a metal pipe or a crow bar. Hth

Bethanthony · May 18, 2014

Mark had a family?!?

Jabarn · May 18, 2014

Treelights said:
At the one minute 46 second mark in this video in this link it mentions Shirley was found in every day clothing.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/source-investigators-find-body-putnam-county/nfyK5/

That may rule out a sex crime, not sure though- she could have been redressed.

Use of drugs, like meth, which appears to be abundant in this area, could make someone homicidal and delusional. If someone like that was boating around and decided to hang out on a boat dock, and was approached by the home owner to leave, could that be a possibility? I am just thinking of the perfect, random storm. If it isn't a cartel, and wasn't a planned hit, what else could explain the condition of Mr. Dermond's body other than someone crazed and paranoid?

Btw, is it better grammar to say the head was decapitated or the body was decapitated? I have heard both in the news stories. Not that it really matters.

fred&edna · May 18, 2014

Rhyolite said:
IMHO This is no homicide, tragic yes, but no homicide. Bizarre yes, but no homicide.

Sometimes things are not what they appear on the surface. (see example below)

But I could be wrong...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...lly-drowned-tank-hotel-roof-article-1.1379160

The circumstances surrounding the death of Elisa Lam were very bizarre, to say the least. But, I don't think LE ever stated Lam's drowning was homicide. Whereas, in this case (the Durmonds) LE has stated "homicide".

jmo

mck16 · May 18, 2014

LayzeeDayzee said:
Hi mck16 --- I probably missed it but where has it been reported by Sills/LE or MSM that her body was found wearing regular everyday clothes.....do you have a link? Where did you get this info pls? Thanks!

I will try very hard to find it. It was in the initial report by Sills. If I am not back in 3 days, I am not coming back. lol

tlcya · May 18, 2014

Jabarn said:
That may rule out a sex crime, not sure though- she could have been redressed.

Use of drugs, like meth, which appears to be abundant in this area, could make someone homicidal and delusional. If someone like that was boating around and decided to hang out on a boat dock, and was approached by the home owner to leave, could that be a possibility? I am just thinking of the perfect, random storm. If it isn't a cartel, and wasn't a planned hit, what else could explain the condition of Mr. Dermond's body other than someone crazed and paranoid?

Btw, is it better grammar to say the head was decapitated or the body was decapitated? I have heard both in the news stories. Not that it really matters.

probaly most correct to say Mr. Dermond was decapitated, his body was headless or his head was severed. But as you say it really matters not as long as we all know what we are discussing the rest is semantics.

mck16 · May 18, 2014

Treelights said:
At the one minute 46 second mark in this video in this link it mentions Shirley was found in every day clothing.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/source-investigators-find-body-putnam-county/nfyK5/

Thank you so much Treelights. You saved the day and I didn't have to search for the link. I had to go to the grocery store and just got back. Thanks again.

tlcya · May 18, 2014

I linked two raw videos of the Sheriff speaking about two to three pages back. The second video I linked has the sheriff stating the thing about everyday clothes. hope that helps

ETA you have saved us by whipping that link out more than once today treelights, thanks,

gngr~snap · May 18, 2014

Treelights said:
"Officials said that based on their investigation, they have been able to narrow the time-frame of Russell Dermond's murder to somewhere between 4:30 p.m., on Friday, May 2 when the mail was delivered to 4 p.m. on Saturday, May 3, when the couple did not show up for a party."
http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/lo...05/16/lake-oconee-body-putnam-county/9187743/

So, using my noodle, knowing that she was NOT driven by boat and dumped in broad daylight,
The time of death is actually between 4:30pm May 2 and sunrise May 3?
Sunset was 8:16pm May 2.
Sunrise was 6:43am May 3.
http://www.wunderground.com/history...tml?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA
And the moon was a waxing crescent.
Waxing Crescent, 12% of the Moon is Illuminated.
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Treelights · May 18, 2014

gngr~snap said:
So, using my noodle, knowing that she was driven by boat and dumped in broad daylight,
The time of death is actually between 4:30pm May 2 and sunrise May 3?
Sunset was 8:16pm May 2.
Sunrise was 6:43am May 3.
http://www.wunderground.com/history...tml?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA
And the moon was a waxing gibbous?
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Are you mentioning sunrise on the 3rd, because that would possibly be when
their newspaper could have arrived that they did not retrieve, perhaps?
IMOO.

Carolinapeach · May 18, 2014

Bethanthony said:
http://m.msgr.com/mobile/news/article_5a998b5a-dbb5-11e3-9e5d-001a4bcf887a.html

Houston, we have a problem. The Dermonds have nine grandchildren, as stated in the obituary.

I can only count eight.

I think nine is correct.
I count nine with the deceased son having one, I believe.

Jabarn · May 18, 2014

Could this be a serial killer? Thinking of the women in NC. In my own neighborhood, just up I75 from this case: http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/25544527/body-found-in-nickajack-lake-in-marion-county

A stretch, I know, just looking at all possibilities.

gngr~snap · May 18, 2014

Bethanthony said:
Mark had a family?!?

I would think so. He was 47 when he died. Maybe never married, IDK

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Backwoods · May 18, 2014

Not sure whether anyone ever posted this 13WMAZ newscast video clip? Includes some reactions from area anglers to the finding of Mrs. Dermond's body:

Lake Oconee fishermen react to the discovery of the Dermond body

Click to expand...

http://www.13wmaz.com/videos/news/crime/2014/05/17/9229719/

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