GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 3

[Zuri]

IIRC, someone posted a link where in one of Sills' statements to the press, he believed the either the killer or one of the killers were known to the Desmonds. Does anyone know if Sills gave a reason for that conclusion? TIA

 

[eddie willers]

Put me down as one who is pessimistic about a golf club being used.

The long shaft makes getting the "business end" precisely where you wanted tricky.

Heck, if it was me I would have missed the head completely.

Lee Trevino was once asked what he would do if he was caught out in the middle of the fairway during a thunderstorm.

He said he would hold up a two iron since not even God could hit a two iron.

 

[Canaille]

Just thinking out loud....

Maybe the perp(s) beheaded Mr D while in the boat. Easier to clean the boat out in the middle of a lake and not be caught. Hose off all the debris/remains from the decapitation right into the waters.

Why not just decapitate him on the premises? Maybe because if someone approached the home the perp wouldn't be caught in the action and therefore could claim they just found Mr D.

I too think there will be an arrest in a matter of weeks.

 

[tlcya]

Maybe the victims were banged against an object like driveway pavers or a garage door frame?

or metal pole . . .

Good suggestions Rhyolite. Thanks,

 

[Eileen730]

Maybe the victims were banged against an object like driveway pavers or a garage door frame?

Well I think they both got hit in the head and killed right away.
Was his head sent to someone as proof the job was done!

 

[gngr~snap]

I must have missed it( watching a movie) who is "he"? A person off the street? No offense but the person you speak of is vile and sick,( not that this killer isn't but,) and couldn't leave a "clean" scene and make a statement that this person has. Who is "he"?


ETA: time to eat homemade Taco Soup, starving. bbl

I don't know if "he" left a clean scene Or killed Mr. D and returned him to is garage.
Sills said he doesn't know if Mr. D was even killed there. There could be a crime scene that is not known.
Could have happened on the boat. Boats can be hosed down.

I am using killer and "he" interchangably. Sorry.
Could be killers -Or Three men in a tub for all I know!
Moo
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[tlcya]

Just thinking out loud....

Maybe the perp(s) beheaded Mr D while in the boat. Easier to clean the boat out in the middle of a lake and not be caught. Hose off all the debris/remains from the decapitation right into the waters.

Why not just decapitate him on the premises? Maybe because if someone approached the home the perp wouldn't be caught in the action and therefore could claim they just found Mr D.

I too think there will be an arrest in a matter of weeks.

if in the boat, even while done postmortem, I would think that would leave perp(s) quite a mess. But you are right, it would explain why there was no obvious scene of decapitation. Even with him being deceased as it was performed, I cannot imagine it would be bloodless. Much less bloody than with a living victim but some mess involved nonetheless.

 

[Cherry]

Who are the beneficiaries of their property and life insurance policies? How many children do they have and who are they?

 

[gngr~snap]

if in the boat, even while done postmortem, I would think that would leave perp(s) quite a mess. But you are right, it would explain why there was no obvious scene of decapitation. Even with him being deceased as it was performed, I cannot imagine it would be bloodless. Much less bloody than with a living victim but some mess involved nonetheless.

It wasn't bloodless.
Just like you said, not as much as there would be if a living person had been decapitated.

"I don't know that that's the murder scene, but there's obviously blood," Sills said.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/08/justice/georgia-elderly-man-decapitated-wife-missing/

moo

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[OTPTarheel]

This case hits too close to home- geographically, and because I have a 92 year mother.

I interviewed for a job at RP in 2006 and security was strict when I was allowed in, back when RP was family owned. Had to show DL, was escorted to bldg, pass placed in car with expiration date and time, and had to return pass when leaving.
I have been to that Publix and I hope they have reviewed all the video from it and the surrounding stores. What about the video from the orange big box store nearby?
Could someone have punctured Mr. D's tire there and followed him home to "help" when it went flat? Fixed it for him in RP and followed him to make sure he got home safely?

Sharp objects/ tools for beheading in a garage? How about the garage door track?I have seen the results of fingers grabbing a garage door track at a construction site. Not the brightest ceiling stippler and it was his first day on the job. 911, hospital, finger reattachment,and a call to risk management. I had no idea they could slice like that. I hope somebody has swabbed that track.

 

[osu]

I've been thinking about Mr Dermond's recent sale of his boat. Could the new boat owner have had some problems with the boat, felt he got a bad deal or was disgruntled with Mr Dermond for some reason? Did the buyer still owe Mr Dermond any money on the boat purchase? Was there an agreement between the two that the new owner could dock the boat (there at the Dermond's boat dock), and then was asked to move it and dock it elsewhere?

The person who purchased Russell's boat could be a member of their community (or surrounding area) and would know the lake very well.

Russell Dermond has paid taxes on a 23-foot boat, which Sills said the couple recently sold, and Dermond reportedly owned fast-food restaurants. Tax records connect him to a Wendy's and a Chick-fil-A.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/08/justic...-wife-missing/

 

[Rhyolite]

This case hits too close to home- geographically, and because I have a 92 year mother.

I interviewed for a job at RP in 2006 and security was strict when I was allowed in, back when RP was family owned. Had to show DL, was escorted to bldg, pass placed in car with expiration date and time, and had to return pass when leaving.
I have been to that Publix and I hope they have reviewed all the video from it and the surrounding stores. What about the video from the orange big box store nearby?
Could someone have punctured Mr. D's tire there and followed him home to "help" when it went flat? Fixed it for him in RP and followed him to make sure he got home safely?

Sharp objects/ tools for beheading in a garage? How about the garage door track?I have seen the results of fingers grabbing a garage door track at a construction site. Not the brightest ceiling stippler and it was his first day on the job. 911, hospital, finger reattachment,and a call to risk management. I had no idea they could slice like that. I hope somebody has swabbed that track.

The garage door/track has me interested as well. When this news first broke, what came to mind was an accidental beheading, RD fiddling with the garage door torsional spring and gets necktie involved. This has actually happened to a homeowner! Or a botched suicide hanging. But none of this explains the missing head nor the situation with SD. Blunt force trauma can be a body hurled against any surface, the head being especially vulnerable. Especially if whipped about. Hitting your head against the garage door track, a support pole, or rounded cobblestones would have a distinct pattern that might appear to be a crowbar or other weapon. With respect to these I have an alternate theory which can no longer be discussed.

My remaining question is about the garage door. Was it found open? If closed, does it close automatically with home automation? Is there a hinged door to the outside? How was it found or secured? Are these conditions known? Perhaps those who found RD know, but were not asked by investigators if the doors were open.

 

[Rhyolite]

Does this post help in anyway to the facts of this case? Is this just water cooler banter for you? This is a serious crime case. Just stop the bantering(waiting for my TOS).:banghead:

my point exactly.. Hoping you actually read what I quoted...

 

[MotherOcean]

I must have missed something today. Has Sills said that a crowbar or something similar is the weapon? I have only heard the reporter in the video say that LE was returning to the home to look for a "crowbar or whatever". I did not think she was giving a quote but rather was explaining what the LE would do now that a cause of death has been determined. I just took it to mean that LE would be looking for a weapon that could cause a blunt head injury. Has something been reported that gives more details about the injury?

I used to work with victims of domestic violence. The most often used weapon that caused injury to the victim's head was fists but it was FEET that caused worse damage.

We haven't heard anything about any footprints on the property. I wonder if any were found.

One more thought... when the fisherman said that the body was "hung up" in the tree line, he didn't mean it was hanging. It may have had the appearance of being hung but that is not what he meant. "Hung up" means to be stuck or snagged. He said the body was floating. He was most likely saying it looked like the body had floated into the tree line and gotten snagged there.

 

[AgentFrankLundy]

There is nothing accidental or random to this at all. It has all the markings of a mob or possibly drug cartel hit .

 

[Rhyolite]

I must have missed something today. Has Sills said that a crowbar or something similar is the weapon? I have only heard the reporter in the video say that LE was returning to the home to look for a "crowbar or whatever". I did not think she was giving a quote but rather was explaining what the LE would do now that a cause of death has been determined. I just took it to mean that LE would be looking for a weapon that could cause a blunt head injury. Has something been reported that gives more details about the injury?

I used to work with victims of domestic violence. The most often used weapon that caused injury to the victim's head was fists but it was FEET that caused worse damage.

We haven't heard anything about any footprints on the property. I wonder if any were found.

One more thought... when the fisherman said that the body was "hung up" in the tree line, he didn't mean it was hanging. It may have had the appearance of being hung but that is not what he meant. "Hung up" means to be stuck or snagged. He said the body was floating. He was most likely saying it looked like the body had floated into the tree line and gotten snagged there.

I think you are correct, all that has been said is COD = Blunt Force Trauma. I think the speculation about the weapon has been promulgated by the media.

As for SD's body. I think the body was floating and in some manner "hung up" as in entangled somehow.

 

[Irisha]

I don't know if "he" left a clean scene Or killed Mr. D and returned him to is garage.
Sills said he doesn't know if Mr. D was even killed there. There could be a crime scene that is not known.
Could have happened on the boat. Boats can be hosed down.

I am using killer and "he" interchangably. Sorry.
Could be killers -Or Three men in a tub for all I know!
Moo
Yum, can I have a bowl too? I have been craving Mexican. That did it. I am caving and getting take out.

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Hope your mexican was great, my Taco Soup is so awesome, OT),
I thought you had a someone in mind as in "he", I doubt it was a she. I believe they were to elderly to get involved in something illegal, with their full knowledge. I'm repeating myself, but I believe someone wanted this to look 1 way and "staged" it that way.JMO

 

[eddie willers]

There is nothing accidental or random to this at all. It has all the markings of a mob or possibly drug cartel hit .

With the exception of taking Mrs. Dermond.

And that is a very big exception.

 

[DocBrew]

This seems personal and with much pent up hatred. Since nothing was taken, I'd be probing for potentially disgruntled family members perhaps looking for an early inheritance. That's really about the only scenario I can come up with that isn't a random thrill killing, which is pretty far fetched, IMO.

JMO.

 

[gngr~snap]

Hope your mexican was great, my Taco Soup is so awesome, OT),
I thought you had a someone in mind as in "he", I doubt it was a she. I believe they were to elderly to get involved in something illegal, with their full knowledge. I'm repeating myself, but I believe someone wanted this to look 1 way and "staged" it that way.JMO

I believe a she could be involved. Especially if there are 2-3 killers. A she could have been used to gain SD's trust.
Gain entrance to the home, play on her sympathy.

I have a perp in mind or a profile of who I believe perp to be now that I am certain this was not the mob, mafia, cartel or paid "hit".
moo



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