GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 4

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I lived in the Atlanta area from the mid 70's until the early 90's. The traffic was an issue then, but is nothing compared to the horrendous congestion now. The Interstates are bumper to bumper at all hours of the day and night. And the neighborhood traffic (Cobb County), is almost as bad. So sad, as Atlanta is a beautiful area with many positives. Having said this, it is easily understandable why the Dermonds moved to Lake Oconee. :twocents:

IMHO

Our youngest daughter, her hubby, and their two children live in Dallas.....Georgia that is or I should say they live in Paulding county.

Paulding county is a beautiful county. They only go to downtown Atlanta when they have no other choice.
 
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SO FAR, NO finds that SD and RD owned any property on the chatahoochee river, someone they knew did, fulton

still looking around ATL

OH AND THAT WAS IN ATL

THANKS, can't say it enough, so siggified it :floorlaugh:

Many of us in atlanta thought that Rusty Sneiderman was killed in Fulton County and was surprised that the perimeter area/Sandy Springs has a section that is Dekalb County (where Hemy Neuman killed Rusty) . May want to try that?

FYI/HTH
 
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Getting back to the subject about the Dermond's will. Is there a chance they didn't have one? :twocents:

IMHO

IMHO, slim to none. Trust(s), which is not public information, would be my bet.
 
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That was my understanding.
:dunno:

You are correct. My aunt knew the last name Dermond- "They were in fast food?" was her comment - she but did not know them personally. And my late uncle was a big golfer, the reason they moved out there. Surprised their paths didn't cross, but it's a big 'hood!

No caffeine today so my brain is not working well. My apologies.
 
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Thanks JLS - It's been corrected
 
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I really like this discussion! I actually work in a residential psychiatric treatment facility for kids 6-18yo. I work with a LOT of kids with oppositional defiant disorder and reactive attachment disorder. Nearly all of these kids are either in the custody of the state, live with a foster family, are adopted, or have a severely dysfunctional family. I'd say about 80% are not with their birth parents - most of them were taken away for some reason or another (drugs, abuse, etc.).

Most of these kids haven't really even been given a chance to have a normal life. Many of them try to get better, but it takes a lot of self-awareness (which is hard to find in most kids) to really make big changes. Many of the kids have issues with self-harm, or have attempted suicide, but some do simply have behavioral disorders. However, none of these things come without a past that had some sort of abuse, neglect, or severe dysfunction within their families.

I have come to accept that many of the kids I work with will follow in their parents footsteps. It's all they know. Some of their parents are in jail for murder, drugs, and severe child abuse, but even those kids long to have that connection to and love from their birth parents. Some of them are going to be fine, but those are almost always the ones who have families that care and want to help them.

I definitely believe people are born with certain temperaments and that has a huge impact on whether they become sociopaths/psychopaths, but the early experiences in their lives also play a huge role. Where I work it seems attachment issues are a huge problem for the kids with really severe behavioral problems. Unfortunately, secure and healthy attachment is hard (if not impossible) to attain without loving, stable parents. I think people that had good parents can turn out relatively normal even if they have a genetic or biological predisposition for some of these problems.

There are two really good TED talks that touched on this subject that I found really fascinating.

TED talk about psychopathy:
http://www.ted.com/talks/jon_ronson_strange_answers_to_the_psychopath_test

TED talk about minds of killers:
https://www.ted.com/talks/jim_fallon_exploring_the_mind_of_a_killer


Love your nic and I am so glad you have joined us. You make me feel happy just by seeing your moniker.:D

I believe it is a little bit of both. Even psychologists don't agree whether they are born evil or their environment has made them that way.

I do believe that some can be born bad seeds. The reason I believe that is there can be multiple siblings in one family who are raised under the same ground rules by the same parents, yet one will turnout to be hell on earth.

So I do think they may have been born with a predisposition toward violence and their environment only empowered what was already there. So I think it is probably nature and nurture but not in all cases.

We are now seeing shows of small children, even as young as two or three, who aren't just upset but they are raging mad to a point that is way beyond a normal hissy fit children have occasionally. These are children who have tantrums constantly. I do believe narcissistic children can turn into being sociopaths. Those who are narcissistic seem to possess no compassion or empathy for anyone other than themselves. If it is allowed to continue then the result can be a sociopath who has no conscience or remorse for anything they do. I read about so many young children having a defiant conduct disorder. Imo, that is nothing more than a pretty word to describe a fledgling psychopath on his/her way to being labeled one when they reach the age of 18.

I was just thinking today how the world has changed. When I was growing up and when our children were growing up everyone just seem to be normal and going about their lives. Both parents worked, they raised their families, kept their homes clean, cooked home cooked meals every night, and saw to it that all homework was done before the end of the night and did everything else expected of them when the need arose.

Very seldom did we see anyone who was mentally ill. But now I read that one in five people between the age of 18 and 25 have some type of personality disorder. 1 in 5! That is mind boggling to me.

Now it seems to be more of the norm for someone to be on some kind of medication for mental illness rather than a rarity. It mystifies me why that has happened and I wish I knew why it has become so prevalent in today's society.

The only mentally ill person I have ever known in my life, and I am old, lol, was my grandmother's sister and that was when I was growing up as a young child. Other than my aunt we have had none in our family who are mentally ill and none of our grandchildren have ever had to take any kind of medication for some type of disorder. My father had dementia when he became older when he was 70 but until then his mind was sharp as a tack. I don't think I have ever been around an autistic child or one who has Asberger syndrome. I am sure I am misspelling it so please forgive me. My heart goes out to anyone who suffers from mental illness as long as they do not harm others or become criminals.

So what is happening and why does there seem to be such an influx of mental illness today that so many seem to struggle with? I sure wish I knew the answer.

Does that mean we will see more and more sociopaths in the future than we have seen before? Although most sociopaths don't murder anyone but they sure make life hell for those around them because they don't care about anyone but themselves. That is why often times sociopaths are CEOs of large companies. They will step on anyone to get to the top. Does narcissism lead to being a sociopath or psychopath? I think possibly it could.

IMO
 
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I really like this discussion! I actually work in a residential psychiatric treatment facility for kids 6-18yo. I work with a LOT of kids with oppositional defiant disorder and reactive attachment disorder. Nearly all of these kids are either in the custody of the state, live with a foster family, are adopted, or have a severely dysfunctional family. I'd say about 80% are not with their birth parents - most of them were taken away for some reason or another (drugs, abuse, etc.).

Most of these kids haven't really even been given a chance to have a normal life. Many of them try to get better, but it takes a lot of self-awareness (which is hard to find in most kids) to really make big changes. Many of the kids have issues with self-harm, or have attempted suicide, but some do simply have behavioral disorders. However, none of these things come without a past that had some sort of abuse, neglect, or severe dysfunction within their families.

I have come to accept that many of the kids I work with will follow in their parents footsteps. It's all they know. Some of their parents are in jail for murder, drugs, and severe child abuse, but even those kids long to have that connection to and love from their birth parents. Some of them are going to be fine, but those are almost always the ones who have families that care and want to help them.

I definitely believe people are born with certain temperaments and that has a huge impact on whether they become sociopaths/psychopaths, but the early experiences in their lives also play a huge role. Where I work it seems attachment issues are a huge problem for the kids with really severe behavioral problems. Unfortunately, secure and healthy attachment is hard (if not impossible) to attain without loving, stable parents. I think people that had good parents can turn out relatively normal even if they have a genetic or biological predisposition for some of these problems.

There are two really good TED talks that touched on this subject that I found really fascinating.

TED talk about psychopathy:
http://www.ted.com/talks/jon_ronson_strange_answers_to_the_psychopath_test

TED talk about minds of killers:
https://www.ted.com/talks/jim_fallon_exploring_the_mind_of_a_killer

Have you dared to tread on Elliot Rodger's thread?? I am sure we could all learn something from your invaluable insight. :seeya:
(Sorry for the O/T)
 
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Checking in to see if any new details have been released. Guess not, huh? I was so hoping that after the Memorial Day weekend break, that MSM would be bombarded with new leads, additional info or even an arrest or two.
Some of you GA peeps need to go light a fire under 'T Rex' Sills a$$.
:giggle:
 
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Are we still waiting on the toxicology reports on both?

I still don't understand why the coroner assigned cause of death to Mr. Dermond as head trauma when it should have been "unknown". Could the coroner have missed something while examining either or both corpses?

Should the sheriff be pressed on more information considering the lunatic is still on the loose and may strike again?

A major question, I think, would be how the sheriff knows specifically Mrs. Dermond's corpse was "placed" at Riley Shoals. Another would be how the sheriff knows the Dermonds "opened" their door to the killer. And was the killer "surgical" or really inept? And etc.

We all surely are aware that conclusions based on "intuition" can lead to an endless string of more and more and more false conclusions, getting us nowhere.

As the professor said, "When confusion reigns, go back to the fundamentals".
 
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I really like this discussion! I actually work in a residential psychiatric treatment facility for kids 6-18yo. I work with a LOT of kids with oppositional defiant disorder and reactive attachment disorder. Nearly all of these kids are either in the custody of the state, live with a foster family, are adopted, or have a severely dysfunctional family. I'd say about 80% are not with their birth parents - most of them were taken away for some reason or another (drugs, abuse, etc.).

Most of these kids haven't really even been given a chance to have a normal life. Many of them try to get better, but it takes a lot of self-awareness (which is hard to find in most kids) to really make big changes. Many of the kids have issues with self-harm, or have attempted suicide, but some do simply have behavioral disorders. However, none of these things come without a past that had some sort of abuse, neglect, or severe dysfunction within their families.

I have come to accept that many of the kids I work with will follow in their parents footsteps. It's all they know. Some of their parents are in jail for murder, drugs, and severe child abuse, but even those kids long to have that connection to and love from their birth parents. Some of them are going to be fine, but those are almost always the ones who have families that care and want to help them.

I definitely believe people are born with certain temperaments and that has a huge impact on whether they become sociopaths/psychopaths, but the early experiences in their lives also play a huge role. Where I work it seems attachment issues are a huge problem for the kids with really severe behavioral problems. Unfortunately, secure and healthy attachment is hard (if not impossible) to attain without loving, stable parents. I think people that had good parents can turn out relatively normal even if they have a genetic or biological predisposition for some of these problems.

There are two really good TED talks that touched on this subject that I found really fascinating.

TED talk about psychopathy:
http://www.ted.com/talks/jon_ronson_strange_answers_to_the_psychopath_test

TED talk about minds of killers:
https://www.ted.com/talks/jim_fallon_exploring_the_mind_of_a_killer

Tedanddix, thank you very much for this very enlightening post. I saw the Dr. Jim Fallon presentation a few years ago and always revert back to his words of wisdom when someone asks the question; 'what makes a psychopathic killer'?
Looking forward to more of your input in the Dermond case...
 
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Unfortunately, I guess it's not Sills' job to make us sleuthers happy BUT... can't someone.sit him down and ask him to.clarify?! He's throwing out scraps but is it to tweek the perps or mollify the higher ups that he"s doing his job and that he does have a clue. I don't know Sills or know of him but I know many of you think he's a fine Sheriff. But is he an investigator?
 
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Checking in to see if any new details have been released. Guess not, huh? I was so hoping that after the Memorial Day weekend break, that MSM would be bombarded with new leads, additional info or even an arrest or two.
Some of you GA peeps need to go light a fire under 'T Rex' Sills a$$.
:giggle:

Are we still waiting on the toxicology reports on both?

I still don't understand why the coroner assigned cause of death to Mr. Dermond as head trauma when it should have been "unknown". Could the coroner have missed something while examining either or both corpses?

Should the sheriff be pressed on more information considering the lunatic is still on the loose and may strike again?

A major question, I think, would be how the sheriff knows specifically Mrs. Dermond's corpse was "placed" at Riley Shoals. Another would be how the sheriff knows the Dermonds "opened" their door to the killer. And was the killer "surgical" or really inept? And etc.

We all surely are aware that conclusions based on "intuition" can lead to an endless string of more and more and more false conclusions, getting us nowhere.

As the professor said, "When confusion reigns, go back to the fundamentals".

Both great posts and questions!!

I never understood how the medical examiner could definitely say Mr. Dermond died of head trauma either without his head. And I too would like to know if Mr. Dermond's head was removed with surgical skill or a hack job.

Maybe we will get an update today. Will check back later! Hope everyone is having a great day! It's Hump Day - love that camel commercial!
 
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I really like this discussion! I actually work in a residential psychiatric treatment facility for kids 6-18yo. I work with a LOT of kids with oppositional defiant disorder and reactive attachment disorder.
There are two really good TED talks that touched on this subject that I found really fascinating.

Respectfully snipped by me for space

TED talk about psychopathy:
http://www.ted.com/talks/jon_ronson_strange_answers_to_the_psychopath_test

TED talk about minds of killers:
https://www.ted.com/talks/jim_fallon_exploring_the_mind_of_a_killer

Tedanddix, thank you very much for this very enlightening post. I saw the Dr. Jim Fallon presentation a few years ago and always revert back to his words of wisdom when someone asks the question; 'what makes a psychopathic killer'?
Looking forward to more of your input in the Dermond case...

Just wanted to add my thanks Tedanddix for these two videos! Fascinating and enlightening! :seeya:
 
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Checking in to see if any new details have been released. Guess not, huh? I was so hoping that after the Memorial Day weekend break, that MSM would be bombarded with new leads, additional info or even an arrest or two.
Some of you GA peeps need to go light a fire under 'T Rex' Sills a$$.
:giggle
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<BBM for Focus>

Well, prolly not a good idea, Suthrnqt.. GA is the birthplace of the Good Ole Boy' network...nepotism is flourishing..and there is an active burn ban in place. :giggle:

Ironically, Sparta, Hancock County, GA which borders Putnam County is the town where the TV show; 'In the Heat of the Night', was based on; http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110128/ 'quinky dink'?

A local retired judge's depraved grandson goes on a serial killing spree in Sparta. ... In the Heat of the Night: Season 8, Episode 1

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094484/trivia

http://www.gfc.state.ga.us/online-permits/georgiaburnban.cfm
Georgia Forestry Commission
The following counties are under the burning ban: ... Pickens, Pike, Polk, Putnam, Richmond, etc....
 
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Both great posts and questions!!

I never understood how the medical examiner could definitely say Mr. Dermond died of head trauma either without his head. And I too would like to know if Mr. Dermond's head was removed with surgical skill or a hack job.

Maybe we will get an update today. Will check back later! Hope everyone is having a great day! It's Hump Day - love that camel commercial!

Just for you, Bootsctr.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kWBhP0EQ1lA&feature=kp#


Hope I did that right.
 
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I wonder why, after 20 years in the same home in a golfing community, why would they leave and build a home in another golf community at their age? Most folks downsize as they get up in age like that.

Was the former home in a gated community?

I wonder if they had an elevator installed in the GW home.

Your post really got me to thinking about the elevator. If they did have an elevator installed it would mean the Dermonds had given some forethought in building their house with the thought of them getting older and not being able to climb stairs perhaps at some point.

It also reminded me of a horrible accident a few years ago in which a man was trying to get on an elevator and fell and it shut on his neck and decapitated him. Scary elevator.
 
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Just for you, Bootsctr.


Hope I did that right.

You did it perfectly! Thank you so much for posting my favorite commercial. I shall have to play it off and on throughout the day today! :floorlaugh:
 
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