GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 4

[cog]

Reviewing Sheriff Sills' comment on movement of Mr. Dermond's body, he only said to the effect, "...maybe a couple of feet..." He did make any statement indicating it was a fact that the killing(s) took place elsewhere.

It is only an assumption that a boat was used to approach the home. It is not necessarily fact that a boat was used to remove/place/transport Mrs. Dermond's body.

Interesting quote from the sheriff, " ...placed..., or in the vicinity...", when referring to Mrs. Dermond's corpse location.

We don't know for sure.

Maybe they moved the body just enough to make it easier to do what they did to RD.

I thought the place/transport implied that either could have been the case. Meaning she , SD, could have been dumped and floated where found or actually placed where found.

I wouldn't think her body would have ended up where it did had a boat not been used. IF they dumped her from shore somewhere could she have floated there all while searches were being conducted and never seen?

HMMMMM

 

[Nuvolari]

We don't know for sure.

Maybe they moved the body just enough to make it easier to do what they did to RD.

I thought the place/transport implied that either could have been the case. Meaning she , SD, could have been dumped and floated where found or actually placed where found.

I wouldn't think her body would have ended up where it did had a boat not been used. IF they dumped her from shore somewhere could she have floated there all while searches were being conducted and never seen?

HMMMMM

Fifteen days between crime and discovery. Bodies don't float until buoyant and when rising, move with the current, unseen until at or above the surface, and by that time the body may be of a color that makes it hard to see. Interesting that fishermen and not official searchers found it. Embarrassing, really.

It's a really big lake.

 

[Rhyolite]

I'm trying to find a clearer article but in reading this I think it might just mean that the couple saw the head first. His body was recovered, with head and waiting on an autopsy?

The head could have separated due to decomposition.

 

[Canaille]

In the article from the Eatonton Messenger Friday edition that was posted upthread... " A tip being pursued Friday morning involved a man who reportedly went to the Huddle House in Greene County and said he needed to see surveillance tapes from the business.

Sills instructed detectives to check that, and if it were someone not an officer, to turn it over to Greene County Sheriff’s Office for an arrest."

So the man wasn't from the PCSD,or Sills would know? Right?
And if he was from Greene Co. SD or the FBI, Sills would know. Right?
So who was this person?
Any ideas?

Thanks for posting the article. It hadn't showed up in my searches.

If an officer in plain clothes went in and asked to see the tapes... I would like to think that the manager would ask for some identification. I would think that the officer would have given a calling card too for employees to know who to contact if they had seen anything.

Curious.

 

[cog]

Fifteen days between crime and discovery. Bodies don't float until buoyant and when rising, move with the current, unseen until at or above the surface, and by that time the body may be of a color that makes it hard to see. Interesting that fishermen and not official searchers found it. Embarrassing, really.

It's a really big lake.

Yes, that makes sense Nuvo. Thank you! So she could have just been pushed off her dock or from some other point even in that neighborhood and went with the current to where found.

Now to keep both of the theories in my head. By boat or by land.

Thanks!

 

[Rhyolite]

In the article from the Eatonton Messenger Friday edition that was posted upthread... " A tip being pursued Friday morning involved a man who reportedly went to the Huddle House in Greene County and said he needed to see surveillance tapes from the business.

Sills instructed detectives to check that, and if it were someone not an officer, to turn it over to Greene County Sheriff’s Office for an arrest."

So the man wasn't from the PCSD,or Sills would know? Right?
And if he was from Greene Co. SD or the FBI, Sills would know. Right?
So who was this person?
Any ideas?

Thanks for posting the article. It hadn't showed up in my searches.

Maybe one of the family has an idea and hired a private investigator to work an investigation separately from Sills.

 

[cog]

The head could have separated due to decomposition.

I thought it was said that the murder happened sometime from Friday the 2nd to Sunday the 4th. Found on the 6th?

Would it have decomposed that quickly?

 

[Razz]

There must be fibers and hair on Russell's body that are not his. Taking off a head must be hard work.
The perp left some of his/her dna behind with Mr. D.

 

[cog]

There must be fibers and hair on Russell's body that are not his. Taking off a head must be hard work.
The perp left some of his/her dna behind with Mr. D.

No doubt! Have we heard any speculation about the weapon used to do this?

 

[Rhyolite]

I thought it was said that the murder happened sometime from Friday the 2nd to Sunday the 4th. Found on the 6th?

Would it have decomposed that quickly?

This is a different deceased, just found two hours away GA AL border..

 

[Hickory Born]

There must be fibers and hair on Russell's body that are not his. Taking off a head must be hard work.
The perp left some of his/her dna behind with Mr. D.

I agree. There is some DNA from the killer/s in that house. I have been thinking Mr. D was decapitated in the garage because of the cement floor versus carpet. But, they could have decapitated him in a bathtub and washed the blood down the drain. (Think Zahra Baker dismemberment...that was my first case to follow on Websleuths.)

 

[cog]

This is a different deceased, just found two hours away GA AL border..

Are you speaking of the drowning victim? I didn't think he was beheaded.

I'm confused now! Not hard to do!! LOL

 

[Rhyolite]

Hi, I wondered aloud earlier if it might just be a normal joe like us. This person may have just said that they (police/investigators) need to review all tapes. They may have asked IF this HH's tapes had been requested.

Of course it could just be some oddball wannabe cop thinking he would do the work himself.

I doubt it was the Perp. Could you imagine the Perp being stupid enough to request to review tapes to see if they have his/her image, only to be recorded again requesting the tapes? Pretty dumb, but then there is dumb and dumber. I think that the family hired a PI to go to all businesses surrounding the lake and review tapes. If the business says "we already turned them over to Sills" then they have a level of comfort, If not then why wasn't this done weeks ago?

 

[Rhyolite]

PROBABLY not related at all, but... was just wondering if any of the rest of you ran across this today:



more at: http://www.macon.com/2014/05/28/3119480/mans-body-found-in-lake-near-georgia.html#wgt=rcntnews

The wording in the article about the head and body is what caught my eye particularly -- exactly what is it meaning?

This is the OTHER BODY and HEAD, attached or not...

 

[Canaille]

I doubt it was the Perp. Could you imagine the Perp being stupid enough to request to review tapes to see if they have his/her image, only to be recorded again requesting the tapes? Pretty dumb, but then there is dumb and dumber. I think that the family hired a PI to go to all businesses surrounding the lake and review tapes. If the business says "we already turned them over to Sills" then they have a level of comfort, If not then why wasn't this done weeks ago?

OMG I would just love for that to happen... I think that would blow the "above average intelligence" of the perp completely out the window!

 

[Rhyolite]

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Coinsidence??
What about the peculiar name similarity of the neighbor? Seems astounding as there is only one such name in the entire U.S.

If you look hard enough you will find more that's coincidental about the name.

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I am curious as well. There seems to be a lot of confusion around that subject. It would be curious indeed to know if another neighbor with same name existed, especially if they were a real target. I don't know if that is a TOS to pursue. Obviously it could be a valid angle. Does not explain beheading.

 

[cog]

This is the OTHER BODY and HEAD, attached or not...

I read that earlier but they did say he drowned and there was mention of a note left in his car. I assumed a suicide. They are investigating.

 

[OTPTarheel]

Hi, I wondered aloud earlier if it might just be a normal joe like us. This person may have just said that they (police/investigators) need to review all tapes. They may have asked IF this HH's tapes had been requested.

Of course it could just be some oddball wannabe cop thinking he would do the work himself.

OMG I would just love for that to happen... I think that would blow the "above average intelligence" of the perp completely out the window!

Maybe the perp sent a friend/ family member in to inquire??

 

[Bootsctr]

Maybe the perp sent a friend/ family member in to inquire??

That works for me. This case is really creeping me out though. People drowning and missing head. I feel like I'm in a game of Clue. Mrs. Peacock did it in the library with the candlestick.

 

[Bootsctr]

Say where did everybody go?