GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 5

[al66pine]

I think that the logistics of 'money-laundering' is over your head.

It involves undeclared assets.

Or undeclared income.

 

[Foxfire]

I have tried to spend some time reading the web sites but wow. I would like to ask. Who other than Abernathy and Jackson supported York? Do you have a list or remember who you read about supporting him? Didn't I read the Mayor of New York was a big supporter of York.

This was a HUGE can of worms Sills found himself in. I am kind of surprised he survived and lived to fight another day!

Thank you in advance for any info you can provide.

<BBM for Focus>

Rev. Alford C Sharpton, and the Reverend Jesse Jackson speaks out in Putnam county, Georgia - Nuwaubians.

http://nuwaubianfacts.com/flyers3/rev-al-sharpton-stands-side-by-side.pdf

 

[atthelake]

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anyway, but I don't even know how to say Pe CON anymore, is it peecon, peecan, pe CON', or Pe CAN' anymore LOL


haha, I'm all mixed up!

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But yes, by location, I am southern, LOL, I dont' have a drawl, maybe more than not, but you'd be amazed at what a few miles makes in how peoples slang, inflection and accent differ, its' AMAzing, i even like to hear the southern drawl, like some from up north do

I don't think wording in GA is different, I think it depends on the individual but phrases are different here than in the north

Good chatting with you !
:seeya:

Pe CON :giggle: I don't *think* I have a drawl either but friends think that I sound like a southerner. But heck...those from New Jersey, like (((Steely))), I discount and merely say "bless their heart"

 

[Foxfire]

Investigators in Putnam County, Georgia are ... &#8216;It could have been anything, something to do with a cult .

http://www.cclxhouston.com/national...-husband-russell-dermond-was-decapitated.html

 

[Suthrnqt]

Investigators in Putnam County, Georgia are ... ‘It could have been anything, something to do with a cult .

http://www.cclxhouston.com/national...-husband-russell-dermond-was-decapitated.html

That story was ran on 5/14, SD's body had not even been discovered yet. Also, IMO, the son could have said what he did for deflection. I am respectfully disagreeing with the cult angle. However, if this cult does end up being responsible, I will apologize.

 

[Foxfire]

Investigators in Putnam County, Georgia are ... &#8216;It could have been anything, something to do with a cult .

http://www.cclxhouston.com/national...-husband-russell-dermond-was-decapitated.html

That story was ran on 5/14, SD's body had not even been discovered yet. Also, IMO, the son could have said what he did for deflection. I am respectfully disagreeing with the cult angle. However, if this cult does end up being responsible, I will apologize.

Suthrnqt, when this statement was made by KD, I thought he was referring too a satanic cult, or a Charles Manson type cult. Although there is documented precedence for ritual homicides by satanic cults. They are very rare. I disregarded the statement, or thought the suggestion was made due to the lack of any other viable possibilities..

Since researching the Newuabian Cult, it would not be unreasonable to place them at the top of the suspect list, imo. Due to the huge NC following, it will be very difficult for investigators to solve the Dermond abduction/murder/decapitation, imo.

Imo, this was a ritual killing, meant to send a message to authorities of the Putnam County, GA justice system and specifically Sheriff Howard Sills, who MR. Dwight York holds responsible for his downfall.. JMO - http://wwrn.org/articles/6687/?&section=nuwaubian-nation
Who would have had the Motive, the Means, and the Opportunity?

NC members were being investigated for arsona and possible murders in other states before heading south to Putnam County, GA. It would be interesting to know the details of the murders. Were there decapitations involved in prior murder investigations, etc?

http://www.watchman.org/index-of-cults-and-religions/

Ancient Mystic Order of Malchizedek, Malachi Z. York, Eatonton, GA: Also known as AMOM, Nuwaubians, the Nubian Nation of Moors, Right Knowledge. A UFO group whose leader, (a.k.a. Dwight York) claims to be form the 19th galaxy, called Illyuwn. A 1993 FBI report calls the group a "front for a wide range of criminal activity, including arson, welfare fraud and extortion." York's group has also operated under other names and organizations including the Nubian Islaamic [sic] Hebrew Mission, the Ansaaru Allah Community, (an Islamic sect with doctrines similar to Nation of Islam), and the Original Tents of Kedar.

 

[Suthrnqt]

Suthrnqt, when this statement was made by KD, I thought he was referring too a satanic cult, or a Charles Manson type cult. Although there is documented precedence for ritual homicides by satanic cults. They are very rare. I disregarded the statement, or thought the suggestion was made due to the lack of any other viable possibilities..

Since researching the Newuabian Cult, it would not be unreasonable to place them at the top of the suspect list, imo. Due to the huge NC following, it will be very difficult for investigators to solve the Dermond abduction/murder/decapitation, imo.

Imo, this was a ritual killing, meant to send a message to authorities of the Putnam County, GA justice system and specifically Sheriff Howard Sills, who MR. Dwight York holds responsible for his downfall.. JMO - http://wwrn.org/articles/6687/?&section=nuwaubian-nation
Who would have had the Motive, the Means, and the Opportunity?

NC members were being investigated for arsona and possible murders in other states before heading south to Putnam County, GA. It would be interesting to know the details of the murders. Were there decapitations involved in prior murder investigations, etc?

http://www.watchman.org/index-of-cults-and-religions/

Ancient Mystic Order of Malchizedek, Malachi Z. York, Eatonton, GA: Also known as AMOM, Nuwaubians, the Nubian Nation of Moors, Right Knowledge. A UFO group whose leader, (a.k.a. Dwight York) claims to be form the 19th galaxy, called Illyuwn. A 1993 FBI report calls the group a "front for a wide range of criminal activity, including arson, welfare fraud and extortion." York's group has also operated under other names and organizations including the Nubian Islaamic [sic] Hebrew Mission, the Ansaaru Allah Community, (an Islamic sect with doctrines similar to Nation of Islam), and the Original Tents of Kedar.

It might end up being this cult.
:dunno: I was just stating my opinion that I didn't think the cult was involved, that's all. We are all allowed to have opinions here. Just because I disagree about this theory, doesn't mean its not true, kwim? We can just agree to disagree. No worries.

 

[tomkat]

I am more of the opinion there is something with the elder Dermonds that we have no clue to but might have been discussed between father and son or the Sheriff mentioned it to the son while discussing who could have done these terrible murders.

I keep trying to think of what I would possible say and I don't think I would ever say cult unless that was suggested to me by another.

Exactly what I have thought to in regards to the cult mentioned

SO, that leaves why anyone WOULD EVEN SUGGEST THAT, if it's not something to consider

Think?

But if the family really doesn't know why the parents were murdered, I can't imagine the shock, what ELSE would they think? If they dont think laundering/mafia/cartel

Also, from the beginning, I"ve said, what my signature reads below,

 

[tomkat]

Then why not just kill them and not behead anybody and leave them both in the garage?

Round and round we go!

round and round the mulberry bush, the monkey chased the weasle

SEE, EVERY TIME, something like this comes up, there is still the same questions, laundering,cartel,mafia,nubies seem to me to not repeat the "WHY" as much

 

[Bootsctr]

Then why not just kill them and not behead anybody and leave them both in the garage?

Round and round we go!

Somebody stop the merry-go-round. . . I wanna get off. . . :tantrum:

:rollercoaster: :floorlaugh: Just kidding! Morning everybody! :seeya: Gosh, I was hoping y'all would have solved this last night. Motive... Motive...Motive... It continues to elude me. :banghead:

 

[Eileen730]

Then why not just kill them and not behead anybody and leave them both in the garage?

Round and round we go!

Because they shot him in the head.
They needed that bullet! JMO

Im wondering where they went that day or two before tragedy struck.
What stores gas stations.
Any yard workers. Tree trimmers.


I really think they were being robbed and were interrupted by something or someone. mr. and Mrs. D knew the person and knew they wouldn't let them go alive so they didn't give in to him.

I do not think its someone living in that community but I do think its a local that works in the area.
All JMO


Im trying to remember there was a case here in florida were the elderly couple were buried alive. Sad Sad Sad !!!

all JMO

 

[Peppery]

It seems to me that the last thing I'd want to do after my family was decapitated and murdered is throw around public accusations when there is a known local cult, knowing how dangerous they could be. It'd be like putting your name at the top of the list for who's next, IMO.

 

[Eileen730]

Somebody stop the merry-go-round. . . I wanna get off. . . :tantrum:

:rollercoaster: :floorlaugh: Just kidding! Morning everybody! :seeya: Gosh, I was hoping y'all would have solved this last night. Motive... Motive...Motive... It continues to elude me. :banghead:

LOL I hear ya!
I really am starting to believe they were being robbed!
Were they possibly put in a truck?

Can they see what cell phones pinged in that area those two days and nights?
See if any of those numbers do not belong there.

 

[Marg from Oz]

Have just finished reading 12 pages and my head's completely done in with all this going around in circles since this thread has been investigating cults.
The main question is why? There is no way we can answer this as we are not psychotic, murdering decapitators.
How can you put yourself in someone else's shoes if you have never been there?

Profilers have problems with this too. I'm sorry to say that since being on WS I had never heard of so many weirdoes in one country. Where will the next twist on this come from. At the beginning I had other thoughts but they are agains't TOS so can't be mentioned.
I will just keep reading and let y'all take me along for the ride. learning so much about the south. These turnips and beans, how do you make them? Haven't had a turnip in years.

JMOO keep up the great detective work.

 

[lakeoconee]

I have to ask. How would money laundering come into play with an elderly couple that sold their business years ago?

I don't believe one can money laundry through a SS check each month! :floorlaugh:

I'm back to clarify the opinion I couldn't stifle. I don't think the Dermonds were involved in laundering money. Maybe they or someone close to them discovered it going on. Rather than participating or allowing it to continue this person threatens to shut it down. A severed head would send quite a strong message.

Cash businesses are often used to inject illegal money into a legit business. I'm thinking convenience stores, restuarants, etc.


Quoting here:
"The term "money laundering" is said to originate from Mafia ownership of Laundromats in the United States. Gangsters there were earning huge sums in cash from extortion, prostitution, gambling and bootleg liquor. They needed to show a legitimate source for these monies.

One of the ways in which they were able to do this was by purchasing outwardly legitimate businesses and to mix their illicit earnings with the legitimate earnings they received from these businesses. Laundromats were chosen by these gangsters because they were cash businesses and this was an undoubted advantage to people like Al Capone who purchased them."

 

[tomkat]

Pe CON :giggle: I don't *think* I have a drawl either but friends think that I sound like a southerner. But heck...those from New Jersey, like (((Steely))), I discount and merely say "bless their heart"

so you might be saying "Pe CAWN" :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[tomkat]

It seems to me that the last thing I'd want to do after my family was decapitated and murdered is throw around public accusations when there is a known local cult, knowing how dangerous they could be. It'd be like putting your name at the top of the list for who's next, IMO.

GOOD POINT

Ok, so the easiest answer as to the "WHY the DERMONDS" is WHAT??

Anyone?

First and highest possible motive
Second possible Motive
Third least motive

 

[tomkat]

Have just finished reading 12 pages and my head's completely done in with all this going around in circles since this thread has been investigating cults.
The main question is why? There is no way we can answer this as we are not psychotic, murdering decapitators.
How can you put yourself in someone else's shoes if you have never been there?

Profilers have problems with this too. I'm sorry to say that since being on WS I had never heard of so many weirdoes in one country. Where will the next twist on this come from. At the beginning I had other thoughts but they are agains't TOS so can't be mentioned.
I will just keep reading and let y'all take me along for the ride. learning so much about the south. These turnips and beans, how do you make them? Haven't had a turnip in years.

JMOO keep up the great detective work.

RIGHT?! LOL

purple hull peas, just boil in water with salt and a little bacon or ham bone along with some green snaps

Collards, "I", stir fry in a little olive oil, with diced onions, a little MRS dash and then add a little water to simmer in until tender, NOT SOGGY YUK uke:

but that isn't likely the true southern way, IDK, I live in a bubble LOL, my grammy just boiled I think in water

 

[tomkat]

I'm back to clarify the opinion I couldn't stifle. I don't think the Dermonds were involved in laundering money. Maybe they or someone close to them discovered it going on. Rather than participating or allowing it to continue this person threatens to shut it down. A severed head would send quite a strong message.

Cash businesses are often used to inject illegal money into a legit business. I'm thinking convenience stores, restuarants, etc.


Quoting here:
"The term "money laundering" is said to originate from Mafia ownership of Laundromats in the United States. Gangsters there were earning huge sums in cash from extortion, prostitution, gambling and bootleg liquor. They needed to show a legitimate source for these monies.

One of the ways in which they were able to do this was by purchasing outwardly legitimate businesses and to mix their illicit earnings with the legitimate earnings they received from these businesses. Laundromats were chosen by these gangsters because they were cash businesses and this was an undoubted advantage to people like Al Capone who purchased them."

And wanted to comment on the SS CHECK, UM, we dont' know what they were living on

Also, there are a lot of those gaming rooms in Georgia since the gambling was passed several years back

People hide it behind a legit SMALL business, and they have those machines peope just sit there and pull the handle all dang day, not paying their rent instead, had to evict some that got into this,

ANyway, there was an owner near my hometown that was robbed at gunpoint one evening and i"m sure others, thies was the most recent, and they stole tons of cash, didn't BEHEAD him tho, NOR kill him

later Patel was shut down, he had about 5 of these in town, they do hide the cash, I'm not sure how all that works, but of course the GUBMENT, wants their fair share, there are new rules, but once gambling starts, it gets out of hand

Maybe they owned one or invested in one?? THings got ugly somehow?

 

[JustyThoughts]

http://www.11alive.com/story/news/crime/2014/03/06/1955218/
Decatur(GA) temple maintains ties to Nuwaubian "cult"
www.11alive.com/story/news/crime/2014/03/06/1955218
Decatur temple maintains ties to Nuwaubian "cult" ... York and his followers bought 480 acres of land in rural Putnam County,

Oh my goodness, I see this place in Decatur every time I go to DeKalb Farmer's Market... it is basically just next door to the DFM.

BBM

LOL I hear ya!
I really am starting to believe they were being robbed!
Were they possibly put in a truck?

Can they see what cell phones pinged in that area those two days and nights?
See if any of those numbers do not belong there.

Not sure what they have done related to cell phone tower records, but that is a good idea and could be helpful.

Pee Can.

:scared: It seems that until and unless new details or information is shared, we are stuck going round and round.