GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 5

[Eileen730]

Were they victims of road rage?
did they cut someone off and that someone followed them all the way home.
It is possible the D's were out someplace before this happened.

IMO only retired ppl are victims of habbit.
They go out to breakfast sundays
Lunches Friday
Grocery Shopping same day same time each week like many of us do too.
Get Gas
visit friend
Dr visit

So go back thru their debit cards or credit statements and see where they go every weekend.

 

[lakeoconee]

I'm back to clarify the opinion I couldn't stifle. I don't think the Dermonds were involved in laundering money. Maybe they or someone close to them discovered it going on. Rather than participating or allowing it to continue this person threatens to shut it down. A severed head would send quite a strong message.

Cash businesses are often used to inject illegal money into a legit business. I'm thinking convenience stores, restuarants, etc.



Emphasis and the word RESTAURANT. We know they know people in that business.

 

[Eileen730]

I think the beheading was due to anger and rage. Or..... to hide evidence like a bullet.

I wonder if any employers were missing employees right after this happened.

 

[Litig8ter]

GOOD POINT

Ok, so the easiest answer as to the "WHY the DERMONDS" is WHAT??

Anyone?

First and highest possible motive
Second possible Motive
Third least motive

1. He knew something and needed to be silenced. The decapitation was a message to others that may know something as well.

2. Was involved in a dispute with someone, the decap was to shock and throw LE off.

3. A secret out-of-wedlock child that was being cut off financially. The decap was part rage and part to torment the real kids that had "everything."

 

[Bootsctr]

BBM

ITA with what I bolded. The perp(s)
who did this doesn't have normal thought processess, IMO. I still lean towards a psycho/sexual/sadistic predator who might have been under the influence of meth.
But that is jmo from following crimes and working in the prison system for 20+ years. Is my opinion any valid than other FMs?? Not at all.

What happened to the good old-fashioned drugs of the 60s? What happened to LSD, acid, shrooms, etc.? JMO, but somebody would have to be trippin' pretty good to cut off someone's head.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It seems to me that the last thing I'd want to do after my family was decapitated and murdered is throw around public accusations when there is a known local cult, knowing how dangerous they could be. It'd be like putting your name at the top of the list for who's next, IMO.

That is one of the reasons I believe the son was only guessing due to his father's decapitation. I really don't think he has a clue who really has done this against his parents. Family members guess and try to think of reasons just like anyone else does.

And as far as him saying they have received strange phone calls we are living in nutty times now. Other family members of murdered victims have also mentioned getting weird calls.........from those who say they are psychic saying they know who the killer is or can locate Shirley for them for money (since she was missing when he said this)..to those who accuse the family members falsely and then hang up.......to those that have a theory about who it could be. It runs the gambit on what some fruit-loops can do now to grieving family members. So many that don't know diddly squat try to immerse themselves into cases now they really know nothing about.

I am sure Sills has had his own share of strange calls as well.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

1. He knew something and needed to be silenced. The decapitation was a message to others that may know something as well.

2. Was involved in a dispute with someone, the decap was to shock and throw LE off.

3. A secret out-of-wedlock child that was being cut off financially. The decap was part rage and part to torment the real kids that had "everything."

My number one idea on the decapitation still remains the same and it was done to hide evidence that he knows could link him to the murder itself. And it worked because LE does not have any evidence how Russ was murdered and by what.

I think the Dermonds had become aware of something that could change the life of the murderer if either one revealed what they knew.

I think they were both targeted. Both knew the murderers secret and both had to be eliminated.

 

[Foxfire]

I think the beheading was due to anger and rage. Or..... to hide evidence like a bullet.

I wonder if any employers were missing employees right after this happened.

RE: The decapitation of RD: Anger & rage, I agree, Eileen730.. to hide evidence like a bullet, I disagree. A bullet is not considered personal. Imo, the writing is on the wall and the Devil will be in the details;


http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/nuwaubian-nation-of-moors

 

[Flutterflies]

Have just finished reading 12 pages and my head's completely done in with all this going around in circles since this thread has been investigating cults.
The main question is why? There is no way we can answer this as we are not psychotic, murdering decapitators.
How can you put yourself in someone else's shoes if you have never been there?

Profilers have problems with this too. I'm sorry to say that since being on WS I had never heard of so many weirdoes in one country. Where will the next twist on this come from. At the beginning I had other thoughts but they are agains't TOS so can't be mentioned.
I will just keep reading and let y'all take me along for the ride. learning so much about the south. These turnips and beans, how do you make them? Haven't had a turnip in years.

JMOO keep up the great detective work.

turnips - I don’t do

beans - easy peasy - snap, wash not in a washing machine with detergent:floorlaughut in water with bacon and/or bacon grease or ham/ham hock, bring to boil and let it simmer til beans are the texture you like. Add seasoning as desired, salt and pepper. There’s nothing like Grandma’s fresh from the garden beans!

Now if y’all are true southerner’s, where the heck is the talk about the cornpone? crackling bread? to go with the beans of course:banghead:

 

[Eileen730]

What happened to the good old-fashioned drugs of the 60s? What happened to LSD, acid, shrooms, etc.? JMO, but somebody would have to be trippin' pretty good to cut off someone's head.

Or very very angry!

 

[Bootsctr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQzV_p8fJ9U

wow, this is a great video on Sills :floorlaugh:

I give it 5 stars. Gonna have to visit daily for my fix most definitely.

http://youtu.be/VpDbAl0ZRSg 38 seconds

@Illiyuwn - Uh, you think aliens are going to take you off the planet. And your religion began in the 60s during the days of heavy LSD use.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

RE: The decapitation of RD: Anger & rage, I agree, Eileen730.. to hide evidence like a bullet, I disagree. A bullet is not considered personal. Imo, the writing is on the wall and the Devil will be in the details;


http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/nuwaubian-nation-of-moors

I don't think he was shot either. A bullet is a bullet and if they have no weapon to do striation comparisons then they have nothing but a bullet.

IMO

 

[Bootsctr]

And then there's #24. Second theory behind the laundering thing?

http://www.movoto.com/ga/moving-to-...10202586254875448&fb_action_types=og.comments

OMG! 24. There Are Two Kinds Of People: Lake People And Town People

"And rarely do the twain meet, unless it's at the local Publix or Home Depot"

 

[Litig8ter]

My number one idea on the decapitation still remains the same and it was done to hide evidence that he knows could link him to the murder itself. And it worked because LE does not have any evidence how Russ was murdered and by what.

I think the Dermonds had become aware of something that could change the life of the murderer if either one revealed what they knew.

I think they were both targeted. Both knew the murderers secret and both had to be eliminated.

I am having a hard time coming up with WHAT the removal of the head would hide. Wouldn't most bullets exit, especially at close range? Or potentially travel down into the body if deflected? And the sound of any gunshot near the lake would be heard for a great distance....no reports by anyone hearing a shot. If not a bullet, what would removal hide?

I think you may have connected most of the dots, it's just the decap that is the most difficult to understand.

 

[Bootsctr]

Tsk, tsk, tsk...that wouldn't be offering an opinion would it? :silenced: :angel:

I've always wondered what I'd do if I came into some money. I mean, where wpuld I hide it? So I googled "money laundering". Wow. Very interesting. But I think I'd just hide it in my
mattress afterall. :giggle:

If I had a bunch of money, I'd put it in my safe. It would take a stick of dynamite to get that money out of my safe and my husband would die before he gave the combination to ANYONE even if his life was being threatened.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I am having a hard time coming up with WHAT the removal of the head would hide. Wouldn't most bullets exit, especially at close range? Or potentially travel down into the body if deflected? And the sound of any gunshot near the lake would be heard for a great distance....no reports by anyone hearing a shot. If not a bullet, what would removal hide?

I think you may have connected most of the dots, it's just the decap that is the most difficult to understand.

It depends on the caliber of weapon used. A lot of bullets do not exit and remain within the skull cavity.

I don't think he was shot though.

But I do believe that Russ may have been bludgeoned to death with some type of very unique ornate object/weapon that would likely leave a pattern on the scalp and skull. Something that most people don't have in their possession on a everyday basis. Something that may have even hung in the murderers home for many years to be admired and many others know about it and have seen it many times over the years.

Example: What if the killer was known to be a collector of mid-evil weaponry?

JMO

 

[Eileen730]

I am having a hard time coming up with WHAT the removal of the head would hide. Wouldn't most bullets exit, especially at close range? Or potentially travel down into the body if deflected? And the sound of any gunshot near the lake would be heard for a great distance....no reports by anyone hearing a shot. If not a bullet, what would removal hide?

I think you may have connected most of the dots, it's just the decap that is the most difficult to understand.

Maybe he was decapitated to terrorize his poor wife. Maybe to get info on something....(money) valuables etc etc.

 

[Eileen730]

It depends on the caliber of weapon used. A lot of bullets do not exit and remain within the skull cavity.

I don't think he was shot though.

But I do believe that Russ may have been bludgeoned to death with some type of very unique ornate object/weapon that would likely leave a pattern on the scalp and skull. Something that most people don't have in their possession on a everyday basis. Something that may have even hung in the murderers home for many years to be admired and many others know about it and have seen it many times over the years.

Example: What if the killer was known to be a collector of mid-evil weaponry?

JMO

What if the bullet would connect to a special gun to a certain person.


We sure have a ton of what if's!

 

[Bootsctr]

That being said, I still can't forget that the Dermond's son did state early on that he felt the deaths may be due to "a cult." And he stated also that he'd been receiving "strange phone calls." I'd be very curious to know the content o these phone calls. Perhaps there was something mentioned in these calls that very directly lead him to believe a "cult" was involved. There had to be an actual reason that the son would believe what he did........for you have to admit, it's pretty uncommon I would think for an adult child to suspect the brutal death of his elderly parents was due to a cult. Surely that's not something that most or very many of us would "suspect" if we were in this situation.

Also -- given the sheer hatred the Nuwaubians had for white folks, do we know whether either of the elderly Dermonds ever had some kind of run-in with any of them in the past..........maybe Mr D was confronted by one and he confronted them back and that person (or persons) has held a grudge ever since and for some reason "now" was the time to exact revenge in the most heinous of ways.

And yes, on the surface it doesn't make sense that cult leader, due to his hatred for Sills, would have orchestrated this tragedy.........if there was any chance that Sills would solve the case and be seen as a 'hero'..........but perhaps members of this bizarre cult carried out the murders in such a way and with such confidence that they'll never ever in a million years be caught, and as such, Sills will be tormented by his inability to solve the case and bring justice to Mr ad Mrs D.

Again --- the fact that the son felt very strongly from the start that the deaths were due to a cult, IMO, there is a very good reason - unbeknownst to us - that he came to such a conclusion. And why on earth would he receive strange calls after the deaths of his parents?..........that's just bizarre. Who calls up grieving family members (children) and says weird things?.............would just love love love to have an idea what was said in these calls though I guess we'll never know.

Great post! Thank you! All of the children need their phones tapped if they are receiving such calls. Whomever is calling might not be staying on the phone long enough for a trace, but it would be worth a try in my opinion. Are the families phone #'s listed in phone books? If not how did the caller get their phone #s. It doesn't sound like the murderer rifled through the house looking for phone #s. In fact, Sills makes it sound like the perp didn't even go in the house. Lots of people don't even use a land line any more (I do) and have gone totally cellular. If I was Sills I would call out the son on his statement about the "cult."


BTW, Wesley Snipes has ties to the black separatist group:

TAX SCHEMES BY BLACK SEPARATIST GROUPS

Wesley Snipes freed--Tax lessons Remain

http://israelunite.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/20130406-133826.jpg

Lets begin by thanking the Most High that Wesley Snipes is out of prison. Wesley Trent Snipes also known as Wesley Snipes is a renowned actor, martial artist and film producer born on July 31st, 1962 to Marian and Wesley R. Snipes in Orlando.
Don’t misinterpret this commentary because I love brother Wesley. He’s one of the most conscience actors I’ve watched in Hollywood.
Snipes owns his own production company called, ‘Amen-Ra’ and owned the rights of DVD sales to the ‘Blade Trilogy’ and other movies. ‘The Royal Guard of Amen-Ra’ security firm was opened by Snipes and his brother which was dedicated to give protection to celebrities.
The Royal Guard Of Amen-Ra, Inc. (owned by Amen Ra Films) filed BATF papers in moves to set up a security training center next to the Tama-Re compound of the United Nuwaubian Nation of Moors in Atlanta,Georgia. The Nuwaubians claimed Snipes as one of their own, though a spokeswoman for Snipes denied any connection.

Israelites,…all I can do is warn you scripturally about paying taxes. Some of you broke brothers and sisters have escaped the IRS by claiming sovereignty etc only because you are broke. If you had any kind of proven income the IRS would hunt you down.

 

[Eileen730]

I am having a hard time coming up with WHAT the removal of the head would hide. Wouldn't most bullets exit, especially at close range? Or potentially travel down into the body if deflected? And the sound of any gunshot near the lake would be heard for a great distance....no reports by anyone hearing a shot. If not a bullet, what would removal hide?

I think you may have connected most of the dots, it's just the decap that is the most difficult to understand.

To Terrorize!
but if it was NOT meant to inflict terror then it was taken to hide something!
JMO