GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 6

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  • #181
Older woman have certainly murdered their husband's before and have done overkills. I just saw one convicted for doing so and she was 79 at the time.

My 89 year old mother in law can still remove the head of a large deer when she is helping to dress it out.

It doesn't take a lot of strength to decapitate someone. It just takes a very sharp instrument when doing so.

I have to agree with Sills on this one and I have long held the opinion that the decapitation wasn't done out of anger but necessity instead. Even Sills said clearly that he had to consider Shirley as a possible suspect since she was only classified as 'missing' at the time. I think that is what the murderer wanted them to think all along.

Which again, makes me now think the murderous rage was more against Shirley than Russ since I think he set up for her to take the fall. R was just used as a pawn to divert attention away from the suspect and into making it look like Shirley was just missing possibly on her own free will.

And we think that someone this elderly wouldn't ever kill someone over another lover they secretly had but it sure has happened before but not in Shirley's case.

Remember the case where the 72 year old woman beat her husband to death with a grubbing hoe because she wanted to be with her secret lover who was even older than her elderly hubby?

Some think elderly people never think about having affairs or even think about sex for that matter but they do. My grandmother who lived to be 95 lived in a retirement home and she said so many in their 70-80s were having affairs there it would make your head spin. These were people that had been married 60-65 years or more to the same spouse. One couple even got a divorce and turned around and married their lover when they were in their 80s.

IMO

(Bold the sentence is mine)
Now we are back to a sharp instrument: & sounds like someone with medical training or knowledge as well as access to orthopedic surgical instruments, perhaps? -something that would cut bone?
 
  • #182
I agree.
They go way back.Hadn't Richard Elliott been covering the case for WSB?

iirc, Richard spoke to the son in Jacksonville on the phone early on
 
  • #183
Was LE mentioned? ty

I wasn't going by a list, but a quick search turned up this Georgia Peace Officers rule: 464-3-.02 Qualifications for Certification: Pre-Employment Requirements. Amended.

(d) Complete two (2) applicant fingerprint cards prior to commencement of employment as a peace officer in a law enforcement unit. All fingerprint cards shall be processed by the Georgia Crime Information Center (GCIC) and the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) and the results returned to the Council.

http://www.gapost.org/Rules/3offcrt.html

Georgia requires all law enforcement officers to be fingerprinted as part of their certification.
 
  • #184
He is just giving out all kinds of information. Makes me wonder if he is trying to flush out somebody that has suspecions about some strange person and strange actions but have not turned them in for what reason.

Go Sheriff Sills!

After all the stealthy maneuvers, killing, cutting, placing in the lake and leave finger prints behind.

Hmm.. your idea makes sense. Jmo

ciao
 
  • #185
If this perp lives in GW, is friends with the Dermonds, perhaps he invited them over for dinner, and drove over to pick them up? Since he lived in GW, he did not have to go thru the gatehouse and he could drive right into his garage without neighbors seeing who was in his car. (In the South you say carry instead of pick up or drive a person somewhere).

The ME knows a more definite timeframe of their deaths and also of their stomach contents which have not been announced. They are murdered in a pre-staged area. The perp then uses his boat to transport the bodies to where he deposits them. Now pulling the body uphill could be of concern, but I would imagine the perp was on a natural adrenaline high.
Do you think this is feasible?
 
  • #186
Dragging a body uphill from the dock to the garage doesn't click with me at all.

Therefore IF IF IF they were both killed in the same location..IMHO....it was uphill nearer the house and not at the dock. They may have taken her down first, then realized too much effort to move his body also and he was left.

Can't get into the mindset as most of y'all as to why two places, so that's my thought.....for just tonight...subject to change.

Also, I looked at the Channel 2 FB that was linked earlier...and think its a SHAME that folks (know some here too...respectfully I disagree with ya) are berating the family for not putting up their own monies for the reward. SMH... this is a criminal investigation for which law enforcement (local and federal now) should :moo: have control of. THANK GAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWD I'm not seeing this family used and abused by Nancy Grace.
I am not upset with the family. It crossed my mind for a second then I thought...
They have 2 funerals to pay for.
That alone could be $20000.
Probating the will no idea the cost.
For all I know they could be paying a private investigator of their own or 3!
Or maybe they aren't as well off as people think.
They may have some inside knowledge of whatever and be fearful for their own families.
moo

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  • #187
Question for moderator - Are we allowed to make a link/jpeg of this and post it for those that prefer not to traverse with inputs etc and to help others out...or is that against TOS?

TIA
Screenshots you mean? Out of respect for the privacy of the surviving family members, I'd have to say the answer is no.
 
  • #188
He may be different from the Sheriffs in your state but if you come from Georgia he isn't different at all.:)

It doesn't matter what is being chattered about on SMS concerning the children. What matters is Sills has never even hinted they have any involvement at all in their aging parents' murders. Here at WS they are considered off limits since they have never been named even a POI much less suspects. They are considered grieving family members here who have lost both of their parents to a murderer in the most painful way possible.:(

Its obvious that Sills really knows rewards like this rarely if ever works. He has been a law enforcement officer for 40 years and he said this is the first time he has gone with a reward.

Here is a link to a lawyer who has researched many many criminals cases that have had a high reward attached to them that have never been collected and he says rewards like this don't work because often the only one that knows anything is the killer themselves.

http://criminal.lawyers.com/criminal-law-basics/does-offering-rewards-to-solve-crimes-pay-off.html

He also said when family members put up reward money they do so because this is a way to hide their own involvement in the crimes.

Do you know no one ever came forward to collect the 27 MILLION dollars that Osama Bin Laden had on his head for years before he was finally killed by the Navy Seals even though many knew exactly where he was?

I have never ever believed the family has any involvement in these murders neither done by themselves or them hiring a hit man.

The way the murderer carried out these crimes are totally counterproductive for family members who murder for financial gain. That is why I excluded them very early on.



JMO


You may include or exclude whomever you desire but Sills paints a different picture and since it's against TOS I shall say no more.

Please lets not travel down toads with STOP SIGNS!
 
  • #189
Logistics of transporting Mrs S from land into water into lake -- notwithstanding
-whether she was 'placed' deliberately at that particular spot,
-whether her remains were placed elsewhere in the water and 'drifted' to spot where she was found by fishermen,
whether her remains were weighted or not.

It seems clumsy and awkward to lift a body into a boat (presumably a smallish one, not an ocean liner) even at a dock (like the ones around the lake) and especially to lift/raise body over the gunwale and into the water without a dock or object to stabilize boat. Esp. If only one person was doing the job.

Regardless of how and where MrsD was killed, is it possible when killer(s) was (were) ready to move the remains, the body (perhaps weighted a bit) was tethered to the boat and pulled under the water's surface? Then the remains could be untethered from the boat. And maybe - or not - then tethered to trees or objects in an attempt to keep the remains from surfacing and easily being found.

Just a thought about how one person without inordinate strength could manage that one aspect of moving a body.

Pure speculation only and I'm not convinced. Just a possibility.


Yes, yes and yes. Some things are just impossible and those of us with boating experience recognized that many theories posted just would/could not possibly work!
 
  • #190
I think they found the head,too. Wasn't there something cryptic on the news a few days ago about evidence "under the dock..."??

And the tox screen will tell a tale. If they were taking prescription meds(is that why Mr. D was at Publix or was he grocery shopping?)...what if the murderer got in the Ds house and replaced them with sedatives and he had no resistance from the Ds, thus no defensive wounds...


And the electronic footprint will tell another tale. Cell tower dump can prove who was in the area. Subpoena.

Off topic-but really near my 'hood- two 20 year olds murdered in a car in Roswell this afternoon. One lived in the neighborhood where it happened. There were witnesses. Where's my gun?

I wonder if either of the Dermonds were on prescription pain medication. I know an elderly woman that was emotionally abused for many years by one of her adult grandchildren. The grandchild was addicted to pain medication and manipulated the grandmother into keeping him supplied with HER pain medication, which she desperately needed for herself. He was a scary dude. I have no doubt he would have become violent with her if she denied him the pills. She is now deceased but lived her last several years in fear, though never admitting to herself or anyone else that she was afraid of her own grandson. And, the prescription was for Loratab, hardly considered a "hard" pain med. The grandson is now rumored to be addicted to oxycontin.

Not implying that the Dermonds have a grandchild who is involved. Just have wondered if someone knew that the Dermonds had, or thought they may have had, prescription strength pain meds in their home.
 
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JMO but there is a reason the last media interview with Sills was done on a boat facing the home and not at his desk. I think a message was being sent as he was mentioning evidence.

Sorry y'all. I'm feeling icky and if I'm not making sense I apologize.
I should just read along tonight. Feeling very sad for this couple. He should have a cake with 89 lit candles surrounded by all his friends and family. (and maybe a hosepipe handy in case the candles cause a fire ;) ) sigh

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BBM -

I'm not sure what you have in mind but... what if LE have found the head and they think that the perp. would want them to tell the public that it has been found? So, they are not telling in order to elicit a response from the perp.? For all we know the head may have been hidden in plain sight. All theories and speculations aside, none of us really know just how twisted this person(s) may be!!
 
  • #193
I do not for a minute believe the head of Mr. D has been found and not publicized.

This whole family and extended family, friends and boating community need that particular closure.

No way would Sills keep that a secret.

MOO
 
  • #194
(Bold the sentence is mine)
Now we are back to a sharp instrument: & sounds like someone with medical training or knowledge as well as access to orthopedic surgical instruments, perhaps? -something that would cut bone?

Anatomically speaking, decapitation wouldn't involve cutting through bone at all. If you cut through the neck, which is how I'm guessing it would be done, the only bone you may or may not encounter are the vertebrae in the spine which are not large at all - and potentially a sharp cutting tool could slice right between the vertebrae. IMO one doesn't have to have any special medical training or knowledge to slice through someone's neck with an axe, etc. It's mostly just muscle.
 
  • #195
I do not for a minute believe the head of Mr. D has been found and not publicized.

This whole family and extended family, friends and boating community need that particular closure.

No way would Sills keep that a secret.

MOO

Yes, that is very true. I agree.
 
  • #196
I wasn't going by a list, but a quick search turned up this Georgia Peace Officers rule: 464-3-.02 Qualifications for Certification: Pre-Employment Requirements. Amended.



http://www.gapost.org/Rules/3offcrt.html

Georgia requires all law enforcement officers to be fingerprinted as part of their certification.


FYI: DNR Officers are legal peace officers in GA- they are subject to the law above.
 
  • #197
Georgia attorneys are fingerprinted as part of the fitness application. Here, your fingerprints must be submitted within 30 days of your application. Without them, they will not certify you to even sit for the bar exam. I did mine through our local police department.

Georgia also requires psychologists, nurses, and private detectives/investigators to be printed prior to licensing approval and for renewal. I'm sure there are others.

IMO, but it's personal knowledge.



CDL truckers, appraisers, real estate agents
 
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Background checks and finger printing required in many states for:

Nursing home staff and employees
Adult Day Care staff and employees
Home Health Care Agency employees (not all states require) :(
Hospice Staff
University and College Faculty, Employees and Staff
HazMat Commercial Truck Drivers
Teachers and other school employees
School bus drivers
Apartment managers and caretakers
Residential mortgage originators
Drivers Training Instructors


just adding to the list - census workers
 
  • #200
I wish Mr. Dermond were still alive to celebrate his birthday too.

RIP Mr. Dermond.

Russell J. Dermond

June 6, 1925 - May 6, 2014

Thank you for your service to our country. D-Day 1944. You were but 19-years-old when you put your life out there for all of our lives. How is simply thank you enough? You didn't deserve to die like you did. Rest in Peace.
 
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