GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 8

[Foxfire]

I wonder how long the Dermond's had been targeted, and if the murders happened on the Friday or Saturday or both? I don't think the decapitation was planned, though not sure about Mrs. Dermond being "placed" in the lake. Maybe the plan was to dispose both the Dermond's in the lake, but it was too much work. I hope Mrs. Dermond didn't see what was done to her husband. This case is very frustrating! I wonder if Sheriff Sills has any "private" suspicions about someone(s) he can't make public because he doesn't have anything to substantiate any suspicions he may have?

How long were these murders planned? How did the Dermond's become targets, and when did they become targets?

Solitaryone, the Dermond abduction/murders/decapitation was well planned and meticulously carried out, imo. Many times the lack of evidence, and the time involved in carrying out the crime, coupled with the heinous nature, is evidence in and of itself.. jmo

It really bothers me. I think about the Dermond's every day, and every day I hope there's a break in the case. I hope this case isn't going to wind up a cold case! Who knows, maybe Sheriff Sills is close to making an arrest, and we'll be as taken by surprise as the killer(s)! One can hope, right? :banghead:

Yes, one can hope S1, but from my experience and imo, silence and mis-info by LE via ms media only causes more innocent victims lives lost and mounting cold cases.. There is 100,000+ missing/murdered persons cold cases in the USA, due to this antiquated investigative strategy of silence..jmo

:goodpost: I too think by hiding Mrs. D's body was akin to throwing a big ole monkey wrench into the investigation. Yes and even planned to take place on one a very dark night with only a teeny, tiny sliver of the moon.

I don't think Mr. D's head was disposed of in the lake. I think the head was taken as proof to someone who ordered this hit "to bring me the head" as proof the deed was done.

I agree Bootsctr; to cause linkage blindness, buy time to cover tracks, create confusion among investigators, and to insure adequate ms media coverage to communicate a loud and clear message to those intended, imo.
I also agree that RD's head was taken as proof that the mission was accomplished. Tragically there is precedence of this..

May 2 & 3/2014 was a Crescent moon phase..Imo, this heinous crime was not only pre-planned, but meticulously planned and executed to send a message; a message of retribution to Sheriff Sills, Judge Royal, the entire Putnam County Justice System, as well as the community... Observing SS's defeated demeanor, as well as his wording in the latest Eatonton Messenger article speaks volumes, imo...

'The writing is on the wall and the Devil is in the details'...
SPLC Center - Page 1 of 4 - Please read all 4 pages
http://www.splcenter.org/get-inform...s/2002/fall/savior-in-a-strange-land?page=0,1

Observations and indicators, not coincidences, imo...

* Very brazen and experienced perp/s, imo
* Crescent moon, security gatehouse cameras inoperable, decapitation, lack of blood, Derby party, increased traffic in RP/GW
* SD's body located in another police jurisdiction/linkage blindness
* Perp/s likely knew that D's did not have a K9..(reconned/surveiled)
* Perp/s likely had rope/zip ties/handcuffs and weapon/s, etc.
* Multiple crime scenes

RE: Home/D's Easy target/s
*Dermond's home was equipped with an Security Alarm System. A Sec System sign would have been a visible/deterrent. Alarm system keypads have a panic button to alert police(usually near entrance/front door). Most homes have multiple AS keypads. Was the D's alarm system disabled on, or prior to May 2/2014?

Imo, it takes a very evil person/creature to kill another human being with blunt force trauma. SK Gary Hilton described chaining her to a tree, and then killing Meredith Emerson, in this manner while using a tire tool. He described it as analogous to striking a basketball and said that he struck her numerous times before she succumbed.
GMH described the murder and decapitation MHE as being surreal..

http://www.msgr.com/news/crime/article_18a6d130-fc94-11e3-a76a-0019bb2963f4.html?success=

by Bootsctr:
I'm so obsessed with this case that I subscribed to the Eatonton Messenger online for a year. . . I hope the case is solved before next year. About drove my husband batty. Didn't have anyone else to talk to the case about. He wasn't too enthused about discussing the details, but thought the head was taken to prove Mr. D was dead. That's about all I could get out of him.

I had been viewing the full articles @ E Messgr til today. How much is the subscription? Your hubby is very perceptive, imo.
Know what you mean about driving spouses batty discussing dark cases. Most folks don't want to go there...

"Sills said that, while “there is nothing new, no new developments” in the case, the investigation is continuing – and will continue until it is resolved.

“We are still going over phone records,” he said. “People don’t understand how much is involved in phone records.

“There are certain people we are looking at, checking their whereabouts, but this is nothing like on TV.

“We see a phone number and figure out who that belongs to,” then check the phone calls that individual has made, which generates another list of numbers to run down – a time-consuming process because court orders are required.
He said there was “no federal crime we are aware of now, no federal nexus we know of.”

“Now our court orders and warrants are from superior court,” he added, noting, “I have gotten search warrants” – at least one in addition to the warrant to search the Dermond’s home, but he would not elaborate.

Early in the investigation, when Shirley Dermond was missing and presumed abducted, federal agents were involved more heavily in the case, he said; with her body found in Georgia, some of those concerns abated.

“If later we find she was kidnapped for money, that could be a federal crime,” he said."

http://www.msgr.com/news/crime/article_18a6d130-fc94-11e3-a76a-0019bb2963f4.html?success=2

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Wish I had a nickel for every time I have heard this statement.. Justice delayed is justice denied.. If the FBI has stepped back from the Dermond investigation. It would seem that SS would now request the GBI's assistance, imo.

6. Killer knew the cameras were not working. - Could have inside knowledge as a former guard at RP/GW.

Yep, not a coincidence, imo..

Thought this was an interesting comment from SS:

"Sills said it appears &#8220;nobody locally knows anything&#8221; about the decapitation death of the 88-year-old retiree and the blunt force head trauma that killed his 87-year-old wife."

http://www.msgr.com/news/crime/article_18a6d130-fc94-11e3-a76a-0019bb2963f4.html?success=2

Nobody locally knows anything about the murders, so where does he think the people who know are located.

"Sills has said he believes the couple was killed May 2-3 with two different weapons, that they were specifically targeted rather than the victims of random violence, and that at least part of the crime involved access to the Dermonds&#8217; million-dollar home by boat."

Hmmmmm..... Targeted and not victims of random violence! What did the Dermonds have possession of that would make them targets? Money, secrets, valuable collection of coins, guns, art....... I'm at a loss.

Targeted due to their secluded, private, and wooded cul de sac lot, access by road/lake, etc..

My two cents:

Don't believe the security camera not working was a factor.

She was weighted down--local talk. Put this down to gossip if you will.

I believe K D knew absolutely nothing about the Nuwaubians. His remark was a "grasping at straws" statement.

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Lakeoconee, as a local, I appreciate your insight and honor your opinions, but find it hard to believe that the D's were not well informed about the NC. Dwight Malachi York/NC was front page Putnam County/Atlanta news over the past decade.
FYI- today was DMY's birthday...

Regarding the Nuwaubians, treading very lightly here, how many locals are familiar with the cult? It seems as much trouble they caused a lot of locals would remember them. It wasn't like the cult came in 40 or 50 years ago. Sounds like they raised quite a bit of hell. So if someone in Eatonton heard K D mention cult, they would assume he meant devil worshipping or satanic cult and not the Nuwaubians? I, not being local, when I read his mention of a cult scoffed. Reminded me of that piece of slime, Scott Peterson, and his lawyer saying Laci had been abducted by a satanic cult. Only when I delved deeper into the links posted by locals regarding the Nuwaubians that I backed up and said "Whoa! There really is a cult, a dangerous cult, whose leader has been imprisoned, but whose members are still active." Home grown terrorism is what came to my mind. If they can't kill us by the masses then they will pick us off one by one. :twocents:

K D not only mentioned cult, he brought up his brother M D who had a drug problem and was killed during a drug transaction. I just don't think all of these things are coincidental. Truth is stranger than fiction.

You think they're from another state perhaps?

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Agree Bootsctr.. A very dangerous cult with a very violent past and a promise of retribution/revenge for a perceived injustice of their convicted/confessed pedophile predator prophet.. jmo

 

[mck16]

Solitaryone, the Dermond abduction/murders/decapitation was well planned and meticulously carried out, imo. Many times the lack of evidence, and the time involved in carrying out the crime, coupled with the heinous nature, is evidence in and of itself.. jmo



Yes, one can hope S1, but from my experience and imo, silence and mis-info by LE via ms media only causes more innocent victims lives and mounting cold cases.. There is 100,000+ missing/murdered persons cold cases in the USA, due to this antiquated investigative strategy of silence..jmo



I agree Bootsctr; to cause linkage blindness, buy time to cover tracks, create confusion among investigators, and to insure adequate ms media coverage to communicate a loud and clear message to those intended, imo.
I also agree that RD's head was taken as proof that the mission was accomplished. Tragically there is precedence of this..



http://www.msgr.com/news/crime/article_18a6d130-fc94-11e3-a76a-0019bb2963f4.html?success=



I had been viewing the full articles @ E Messgr til today. How much is the subscription? Your hubby is very perceptive, imo.
Know what you mean about driving spouses batty discussing dark cases. Most folks don't want to go there...



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Wish I had a nickel for every time I have heard this statement.. Justice delayed is justice denied.. If the FBI has stepped back from the Dermond investigation. It would seem that SS would now request the GBI's assistance, imo.



Yep, not a coincidence, imo..



Targeted due to their secluded, private, and wooded cul de sac lot, access by road/lake, etc..



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Lakeoconee, I appreciate your insight and honor your opinions, but find it hard to believe that the D's were not well informed about the NC. Dwight Malachi York and the NC was front page news over the past decade.
FYI- today was DMY's birthday...






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Agree Bootsctr.. A very dangerous cult with a very violent past and a promise of retribution/revenge for a perceived injustice of their convicted/confessed pedophile predator prophet.. jmo

Why do you think Sills has not moved in on them or even suggested a link to them? ty

 

[Solitaryone]

Are we to think that the Dermonds were the only ones to know the "secret" that resulted in this mystery person killing them? Pretty powerful!

Good point! If there's a "secret" that compelled the killer(s) to act, then what could it be that no one else knows? I'm more inclined to think of this as a home invasion. Sheriff Sills said he thinks that Mr. Dermond was decapitated to hide evidence. Still, it takes a different kind of person to remove someone's head. And disposing of Mrs. Dermond in the lake, maybe to misdirect LE, and other unknown reasons.

There can't be that many people who know the Dermond's and would be capable of doing what was done to them! And whoever did this has to have something in their background that's been documented, such as a police record, I'd think. Sheriff Sills said he doesn't have a suspect, but I'd love to know what he thinks privately!

 

[atthelake]

All roads lead to Terminus. IMO.

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[Foxfire]

Why do you think Sills has not moved in on them or even suggested a link to them? ty

mck16, although we don't know that Sheriff Sills is not following up on an NC connection. It is doubtful that SS would release this info publicly due to causing fear in the RP/GW/PC community.. Alerting NC affiliates that they are being investigated, etc..

With SS's past with the NC, their blatant threats of revenge, etc. It would be reasonable to conclude that the NC and their associates/enforcers, are being investigated, imo. Why wouldn't they be?

Would luv to see the psychological behavioral profile prepared by the FBI BAU2 of the unknown suspects in the Dermond abduction/murders/decapitation..

 

[Montjoy]

Have the Nuwaubians been named as suspects or POIs in the Dermonds' murder by LE or in MSM? If not, why are some people here treating them as such?

 

[mck16]

mck16, although we don't know that Sheriff Sills is not following up on an NC connection. It is doubtful that SS would release this info publicly due to causing fear in the RP/GW/PC community.. Alerting NC affiliates that they are being investigated, etc..

With SS's past with the NC, their blatant threats of revenge, etc. It would be reasonable to conclude that the NC and their associates/enforcers, are being investigated, imo. Why wouldn't they be?

Would luv to see the psychological behavioral profile prepared by the FBI BAU2 of the unknown suspects in the Dermond abduction/murders/decapitation..

But hasn't he said he doesn't think it is a cult. I may be wrong, but that is what I am thinking. ty

 

[Montjoy]

He has said that he believes it's someone who knows the D's. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that the D's do not know any Nuwaubians. The D's likely know many Baptists, though, and Catholics -- and there are far, far more murders committed in Georgia by people who identify as (for instance) Baptist or Catholic (and the Nuwaubians have never been convicted of a murder) -- so in my opinion, scapegoating the Nuwaubians makes even less sense than blaming Baptists or Catholics, which would also be grossly unjust (and was just presented here as an illustration of a point).

 

[wildebeest]

I don't think anyone else is in danger, but I also do not think it was personal. jmo

I'm with you. I don't think anyone else is in danger. The perp(s) will slip up and their identity(ies) will be discovered. The answer lies in who stood to gain with the Dermond's demise. :twocents:

IMHO

 

[wildebeest]

He has said that he believes it's someone who knows the D's. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that the D's do not know any Nuwaubians. The D's likely know many Baptists, though, and Catholics -- and there are far, far more murders committed in Georgia by people who identify as (for instance) Baptist or Catholic (and the Nuwaubians have never been convicted of a murder) -- so in my opinion, scapegoating the Nuwaubians makes even less sense than blaming Baptists or Catholics, which would also be grossly unjust (and was just presented here as an illustration of a point).

Montjoy---I find it hard to believe the NC theory, as well. To me, it stretches the imagination. Are you ready to join me for dinner (crow)??? :twocents:

IMHO

 

[Foxfire]

Have the Nuwaubians been named as suspects or POIs in the Dermonds' murder by LE or in MSM? If not, why are some people here treating them as such?

KD, mentioned in MSM that he thought his parents abduction/murders/decapitation was cult related. Except for a few yard workers, no one has actually been ruled out in the Dermond murders except Sheriff Sills, according to him..


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-elderly-georgia-couple-likely-knew-killers-sheriff-says/

Putnam Sheriff Howard Sills said he is not optimistic she ... Sheriff: Shirley Dermond died of blunt force ... No one's been ruled out as a suspect, ..

 

[Montjoy]

No one's been ruled out as a suspect, ..

That's fine, but the rules here are that we can only sleuth or treat people as suspects when they have been identified as suspects (or POIs) by LE or in MSM...so nobody being ruled out is no sort of a justification for treating someone as a suspect.

 

[Foxfire]

He has said that he believes it's someone who knows the D's. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that the D's do not know any Nuwaubians. The D's likely know many Baptists, though, and Catholics -- and there are far, far more murders committed in Georgia by people who identify as (for instance) Baptist or Catholic (and the Nuwaubians have never been convicted of a murder) -- so in my opinion, scapegoating the Nuwaubians makes even less sense than blaming Baptists or Catholics, which would also be grossly unjust (and was just presented here as an illustration of a point).

Montjoy, you obviously have not read or are ignoring the linked 4 page documentary posted in an earlier post by the SPLC of the threats of retribution and revenge by members of the Nawaubian Cult.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-inform...s/2002/fall/savior-in-a-strange-land?page=0,1

Sheriff Howard said that he was going on the assumption that the Dermonds were slightly acquainted to their murderers. I think that we are both aware of the results of assuming...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-elderly-georgia-couple-likely-knew-killers-sheriff-says/

 

[Montjoy]

Montjoy, you obviously have not read or are ignoring the linked 4 page documentary posted in an earlier post by the SPLC of the threats of retribution and revenge by members of the Nawaubian Cult.

You'd be making an incorrect assumption there. I've been aware of the Nuwaubians for over 20 years, for what it's worth. And the Dermonds would not be targets for retribution or revenge, since they've probably never had any contact with Nuwaubians whatsoever.

 

[MotherOcean]

So, would you be willing to share your #1 and #2 theories? :seeya:

I would like to as it would be helpful to bounce ideas off of others, but I don't want to have to defend my opinions. No suspects have been named so I'm not sure why any of us are even here. :dunno: Thanks for asking though. I sure hope there is some break in the case soon. My fear is that someone else is going to die at the hands of this perp. I do not think no one else is in danger, targeted crime or not. There is no way Sills could think no one else is in danger. He knows what he is dealing with... someone capable of decapitation. This is a great horror and there is no way that community is safe!

 

[atthelake]

I've been aware of the Nuwaubians for over 40 days , for what it's worth. And the Dermonds could be targets for retribution or revenge, since they've probably had contact with Nuwaubians that blended into their community as they did with the police force .

:Moo:


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[2Hope4]

I can't wait until this is solved!!! I want to know just who is so deranged that they targeted and murdered an elderly couple that couldn't possible have lived for more than 10 more years or so. I mean really. I want their faces and names plastered everywhere and for everyone to know what they've done!!!!

 

[Solitaryone]

I would like to as it would be helpful to bounce ideas off of others, but I don't want to have to defend my opinions. No suspects have been named so I'm not sure why any of us are even here. :dunno: Thanks for asking though. I sure hope there is some break in the case soon. My fear is that someone else is going to die at the hands of this perp. I do not think no one else is in danger, targeted crime or not. There is no way Sills could think no one else is in danger. He knows what he is dealing with... someone capable of decapitation. This is a great horror and there is no way that community is safe!

If you don't mind sharing, it would be very welcome. We're all here because we care about the Dermond's and what happened to them is an outrage. No reason for you to have to defend your opinions, as we all have a right to our opinions. Bouncing ideas off each other is a big part of what we do here anyway! I hope you'll consider sharing yours. I share your concerns about the safety of others, especially as whoever did this is still out there. Do you feel there will be a break in this case soon?

 

[Solitaryone]

I can't wait until this is solved!!! I want to know just who is so deranged that they targeted and murdered an elderly couple that couldn't possible have lived for more than 10 more years or so. I mean really. I want their faces and names plastered everywhere and for everyone to know what they've done!!!!

2Hope4, I hear you! It's obscene what was done to the Dermond's, and I want to see whoever did this held to answer for it. I hope we'll see that happen soon. Just thinking about what the Dermond's must have gone through is horrifying. It's very unsettling to try to imagine the terror and helplessness these poor folks went through before they died. I think this case will be the kind of case where there will be an arrest(s) out of the blue. I pray it happens soon.

 

[Bootsctr]

So do I. I hope this case doesn't go cold. That possibility really bothers me. What is it going to take to solve this case?? I trust that Sheriff Sills is doing everything he can to solve it, and hopefully he will. There has to be something linking the killer(s) to the Dermond's! I keep saying someone close to the killer(s) has their own suspicions, but may be afraid to come forward. I think it's going to take someone close to the killer(s) coming forward to break this case. Who knows how long that will be.

I keep going back and forth whether there was one killer or two. When I'm thinking about this case, I think of one killer, though the facts that have been made public could point to two killers. What do you think, one or two killers?

Good question! My opinion changes with the wind direction. Right now, I am totally convinced it is one person... Ocean convinced me with her excellent theories and bring up Scott Peterson and how he was able to conceal a pregnant Laci in a very small boat. Mrs. Dermond was not pregnant and would have been much easier to handle and dump.

I would love to know Foxfire's opinion on one or two perps. (hint, hint)