GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 8

[Bootsctr]

I'm baaaack! Have been in and out of town, hubby too - different areas. Have been keeping up, just no thoughts to post until now. Last night, my hubby wanted to watch "300-Rise of the Empire" in 3D on our new SmartTV. I never watch stuff like that but since we hadn't seen each other much, I put on my 3D glasses and tried to be interested. The only thing that got my attention was the beheadings that went on and my mind went straight to some young, drug-addled creep who had watched this! I did an OMG and the hair stood up on the back of my neck when I saw the ruler holding the head in her hand and admiring it. I even thought "Whoever killed the D's is going to show that head to somebody one day" - I have always thought along the same lines as OceanBlueEyes - some kids these days are scarier than any other group and video games do not help them at all, just inspires more cruelty and fantasy- IMO. Missed all you guys! Come on Sills!

We missed you too! Glad you are back. :seeya:

 

[Hickory Born]

That's not how it works in Georgia. I don't think talking to the State Representatives is going to accomplish anything. Besides, there are some very heavy hitters at LO. Tex McIver who posted about donations to the reward fund is on the State Elections Board, Jamie Reynolds was on the DNR Board, and then there are the big campaign contributors. If there are any ears to bend, they can certainly do it.

Just sit tight, SS is in touch with more help than we know about. He is just keeping it quiet and gathering evidence and waiting for results like he has from the beginning. If he doesn't get a break, he and the profilers will carefully craft what and how to let out just what they want known for whatever reason.

Are you local to the Lake Oconee area?

 

[bessie]

I wish I had more info. I don't know any more than anyone else. :banghead:
My prospective is that I am a Georgia county employee.....not in Putnam or surrounding counties and not LE, but I do understand small rural Georgia politics and how things are done.

I do have some observations, nothing new. I agree with the posters who realize that many Georgians hunt and anyone who can field dress a deer knows how to cut off a head with a sharp knife.

Fishing is another big pastime. If I understand it correctly, Mrs. D was found in underwater brush. That is prime crappie fishing. They hang around structure. Bass do too. A fisherman would know where the structure is located. That does not mean that the disposer lived at the lake. Fishermen think nothing of going hundreds of miles to a favorite honey hole.

Regarding boat/land combo, it is really hard to find a place by boat that you have been to by land and vice versa, especially at night. There may be new tech apps that would guide someone but that is past my expertise.

We in middle Georgia have just gotten through with a horrid weird murder case in which a male Mercer Law School student who had just graduated, killed and dismembered another one, a beautiful young woman and his neighbor. His stated confessed motive was that he was a voyeur and she caught him in her apartment watching her sleep, they fought and in the process, she died. He disposed of her body by cutting it up and putting it in the dumptser across the street. He came very close to getting away with the crime. The clinching evidence was his photos of her that he thought were erased. This was huge news for two years and we followed it closely. Putnam Co. is in the Macon Telegraph and TV stations area. The killer or body disposer may have taken a lesson from that case.

As I said, nothing new.

Welcome, Damifino. We followed the Lauren Giddings case very closely here at WS. (Well, a handful of us did, at least.)

GA - Lauren Giddings, 27 Stephen McDaniel Pleads *GUILTY*; LWP after 30 yrs #15 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


Your comment about deer hunting makes a lot of sense.


:welcome5:

 

[Foxfire]

RE: Laura Giddens Case..

The Laura Giddens murder/dismemberment was very tragic, and Stephen McDaniel is very evil..
__________________

I am only 20% into the book Ungodly; by Bill Olinski; AJC Journalist's decade plus journey investigating Dwight Malachi York. In 1979, York was the leader of the Ansaru Allah Community in Brooklyn, NY. His right hand man; Roy Savage; Hashim the Warrior, was the leader of DMY's security force; the Mujahad. Savage was the primary suspect for the murder of political activist Horace Green by FBI investigators. The FBI did not pursue prosecution and the investigative file was not shared with NYPD investigators until 20 years later.

Roy Savage, moved out of the AAC to Newark, NJ, and took 3 wives with him. One of the wives and the sister of another were later murdered, dismembered, and placed in five suitcases for disposal. To insure silence and prevent the other wives from testifying against him. He terrorized them by cooking body parts of the deceased and forcing them to eat it..

For those that think Dwight Malachi York, or the NC, is a peace loving cult, incapable of seeking retribution for their perceived injustices by carrying out a very heinous crime such as the Dermond abduction/murders/decapitation, must read the book...Ungodly; A True Story of Unprecedented Evil
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/ung...FILIATES-_-Linkshare-_-TnL5HPStwNw-_-10:1&r=1

NJ State VS Savage
http://nj.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.19900719_0040484.NJ.htm/qx

 

[T-Rex]

I read someone describe prepping cadavers for medical trainees--in this case, just heads. She said they were surprisingly heavy. Made me think of this case.

 

[Foxfire]

I read someone describe prepping cadavers for medical trainees--in this case, just heads. She said they were surprisingly heavy. Made me think of this case.

Estimate the weight of a typical human adult in pounds?
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_weight_of_an_adult_human_head

 

[Vedder]

The perp has created a riddle with the D murders. IMO.
I am a good data miner.
Julius LaRosa's hit song in 1957. Yes, Mr. Perp. I found that clue, don't know if anyone else did, but I found it. And the lyrics,yeah, now I know when that phrase I 've heard all my life was popularized. February 1957. Never heard the song before, but know the phrase well.
You'd have to be of a certain age to know that song.
My great grandmother was right. No coincidences.

Could you explain? I'm lost...

 

[wildebeest]

Welcome, Damifino! It's always good to have new views and opinions about this horrific crime.

Hopefully Sheriff Sills will make a statement this week. I feel that he is quite capable of handling this investigation, and is following every lead.:twocents:

IMHO

 

[Backwoods]

It may not have been a clean cut through the head and skull, but those parts have not been found or seen by the M.E.

I'm a little leery of trusting wholeheartedly in the reports of a "clean cut", anyhow. I think we did finally have one MSM mention of basically that, though I don't think (as I'm remembering) that it was a direct quote from any authority. Before then, we just had a "rumor" posted. (Correct me if I am wrong.)

And anyhow -- what constitutes a "clean cut", really? If a person has whatever frame of mind/intent it takes to behead someone and has a reasonably sharp implement, I'd think, chances are that person is not going to totally botch the awful task they set out to do. (I don't understand what it "takes", mentally, to cut someone's head off; but as far as the physical task -- I don't think it would be all that hard to do.)

I think things have been pretty mum, actually, when it comes to the physical findings of the autopsies -- not a great deal of detail. And some of that detail MIGHT would help us along with sleuthing...but guess now is not the time.

 

[Backwoods]

One perp, two perps ... or more?

My thoughts on that are kind of swirling.

With the emphasis on the reward, I kind of want to think Sills/investigators think more than one is involved at least peripherally. Hard to think of one lone perp, after doing this, talking about it to anybody, unless they were already "in on it" to some extent.

Of course, maybe what LE is counting on/hoping for is someone NOT involved at all but close enough to the perp in some aspect of life to have observed suspicious behavior, a change in behavior after the crime, items missing and not accounted for (things used in the crime), and all that sort of thing.

One thing -- it's a little surprising to me that the message has not been put out (if indeed the official thought is that there is more than one perp or more than one "involved" to some extent) that the second (or third or whatever) person may be in danger from the "main perpetrator" (if that shoe fits somebody). I know that is a tactic LE sometimes uses and, what's more, it's often the truth, as well. I surely would think it might be the truth in this case. In fact, I have found myself wondering if maybe it could be that some "other party" -- directly involved in the Dermonds' death or just knowledgable to some extent about odd behavior from the actual perp/perps might already have come to some harm ... I wonder if LE has fears that has happened?

One lone perp -- I still think that's a possibility. In the botched kidnapping attempt I've hypothesized before -- where, for example, someone grabs Shirley with the plan to take her away and demand ransom from Russell, but Russell shows up unexpectedly -- I can see maybe one person trying that.

 

[southernmimi]

The perp has created a riddle with the D murders. IMO.
I am a good data miner.
Julius LaRosa's hit song in 1957. Yes, Mr. Perp. I found that clue, don't know if anyone else did, but I found it. And the lyrics,yeah, now I know when that phrase I 've heard all my life was popularized. February 1957. Never heard the song before, but know the phrase well.
You'd have to be of a certain age to know that song.
My great grandmother was right. No coincidences.

"It's a woman every time..."

 

[DAMIFINO]

Are you local to the Lake Oconee area?

Not local local. I live in west middle Georgia about 30 miles from TomKat so I am about two hours from LO.
I go through there and know some people there, though.
Got to go pick blueberries before it gets too hot. More later.

 

[Foxfire]

That's not how it works in Georgia. I don't think talking to the State Representatives is going to accomplish anything. Besides, there are some very heavy hitters at LO. Tex McIver who posted about donations to the reward fund is on the State Elections Board, Jamie Reynolds was on the DNR Board, and then there are the big campaign contributors. If there are any ears to bend, they can certainly do it.

Just sit tight, SS is in touch with more help than we know about. He is just keeping it quiet and gathering evidence and waiting for results like he has from the beginning. If he doesn't get a break, he and the profilers will carefully craft what and how to let out just what they want known for whatever reason.

<BBM for Focus>

DAMIFINO, is this your opinion? or just wishful thinking? We are inching closer to the two month mark without any light over the horizon, based on SS's demeanor in the latest pressers/interviews.. The growing silence and redundancy, contradictory info by SS, coupled with the offering of a reward for the first time in his career speaks volumes, imo...

 

[Foxfire]

Coincidence? For those who don't think the Shirley & Russel Dermond Websleuths thread is being monitored by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation and other LE agencies. Check out the date of this tweet and the latest info posted on the GBI Facebook page..

When GBI Forensics Artist Kelly Larson is not working a case, she finds images online to sketch to say sharp..(06/27/2014)
https://twitter.com/GBI_GA/status/4...ampaign=GBI_GA&utm_content=482620669893804032

GBI Facebook - Behind the scenes look at some of the many work units & sections at the GBI HQ(investigative resources)
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Georgia-Bureau-of-Investigation/240044036157568

 

[DAMIFINO]

<BBM for Focus>

DAMIFINO, is this your opinion? or just wishful thinking? We are inching closer to the two month mark without any light over the horizon, based on SS's demeanor in the latest pressers/interviews.. The growing silence and redundancy, contradictory info by SS, coupled with the offering of a reward for the first time in his career speaks volumes, imo...

My opinion.

 

[Jo in Calif]

We are definitely in dire straits of needing new information.

 

[Treelights]

I would think that Sheriff Sills would have checked into all social profiles concerning Russell Dermond, and connected the dots as well.....
but I don't know if that means much of anything, as there isn't much out there that Sheriff Sills is saying.....
IMOO.

 

[Foxfire]

That's not how it works in Georgia. I don't think talking to the State Representatives is going to accomplish anything. Besides, there are some very heavy hitters at LO. Tex McIver who posted about donations to the reward fund is on the State Elections Board, Jamie Reynolds was on the DNR Board, and then there are the big campaign contributors. If there are any ears to bend, they can certainly do it.

Just sit tight, SS is in touch with more help than we know about. He is just keeping it quiet and gathering evidence and waiting for results like he has from the beginning. If he doesn't get a break, he and the profilers will carefully craft what and how to let out just what they want known for whatever reason.

<BBM for Focus>

Good point DAMIFINO...

Not only can the heavy hitter/influencial political figures and donors residing in RP/GW bend ears back, but they are very effective in silencing the ms media, imo.. Seems, due to the lack of media updates as of late. This may be the strategy in play.. They simply want it to go away, due to the ramifications of an unsolved horrific crime on an otherwise perceived safe gated retirement community and tourist destination..jmo

 

[bessie]

:tos: Someone has to spell it out, or the whole discussion goes. And if you can't spell it out, then the discussion goes, anyway.

Thanks.

 

[Rhyolite]

Thanks; Now I don't have to listen to any more polka music.