GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 8

[Bootsctr]

Just thinking about the woman who saw the man on the Dermond property that Saturday. She wasn't able to give a very good description according to Sills. I wonder if she would be willing to undergo hypnosis to try to give a better description, at least enough for a sketch artist to give us a sketch of the person.

 

[Montjoy]

I wonder if she would be willing to undergo hypnosis to try to give a better description, at least enough for a sketch artist to give us a sketch of the person.

rsbm --

Let's hope not. Hypnosis has been discredited as a way of aiding reliable recall in numerous scientific studies. It is mainly popular because of its application in TV programs and movies.

e.g.,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...t-help-accurate-memory-recall-says-study.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=117259

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/hypnomem.htm

 

[Bootsctr]

rsbm --

Let's hope not. Hypnosis has been discredited as a way of aiding reliable recall in numerous scientific studies. It is mainly popular because of its application in TV programs and movies.

e.g.,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...t-help-accurate-memory-recall-says-study.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=117259

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/hypnomem.htm

Quite interesting. Thank you for the links. Yes, I did just watch an episode of True Crime in which one sketch of the possible perp was drawn with the person who underwent a relaxation technique. LE did not use the drawing until it was corroborated with another witness who did not undergo any relaxation technique or hypnosis. The power of suggestion can be dangerous and detrimental if an innocent person is at the receiving end of justice.

 

[DAMIFINO]

Hi DAMIFINO! :seeya: So glad you are joining in and putting your local spin and insight into Eatonton and Greensboro for us "outsiders".

Respectfully snipped and bolded by me above particularly interests me. The Dermonds had lived at Great Waters for about 20 years, if I am remembering my dates correctly. I would think after that many years the Dermonds may have become acquainted with some "town people" and if indeed Mrs. Dermond did have occasional help cleaning her house (3000 sq ft) she would have probably hired a "town person" that came highly recommended by other full time "lake residents" that may have hired people to clean their house, yard maintenance workers, contractors for house maintenance and repairs etc. Lakeoconee quoted as many as 10,000 vehicles having the RP/GW stickers which allowed entry into the gated community. Would you be of the opinion that Sheriff Sills should bring the GBI into the Dermond murders investigation regarding the high number of potential suspects?

I'm also interested in how successful Sheriff Sills was in getting compliance from all RP/GW residents and "outside workers" in completing the questionaire he and the FBI compiled.

Would you agree that there are a lot of loose ends still floating around Great Waters as far as ruling certain "lake people" in or out as suspects and ruling the "outside workers" in or out as suspects?

Again, Thank you for speaking up and letting us outside folks learning a little about being on the inside of Eatonton, Georgia. :seeya:

When I figure out how to snip, I will! Thank you for asking my opinion. If you live somewhere for 20 years but only interact with people who are doing menial jobs for you, you have not really made friends. I wish we knew if they had regular help or used a cleaning or landscaping service. Yes, there must be bunches of people who work for the lake people who may have avoided questioning. There are probably undocumented aliens working out there, too. Lots and lots of loose ends.
I would not presume to second guess SS regarding pulling in the GBI to do investigation. His neighbor in Greene Co. is no dummy, either. Working on his PhD. Since they share the lake, I would hope that they are working closely together. The whole event could have happened in Greene Co. The county line is within casting distance of the D's inlet.

Just my humble opinion.

 

[Bootsctr]

When I figure out how to snip, I will! Thank you for asking my opinion. If you live somewhere for 20 years but only interact with people who are doing menial jobs for you, you have not really made friends. I wish we knew if they had regular help or used a cleaning or landscaping service. Yes, there must be bunches of people who work for the lake people who may have avoided questioning. There are probably undocumented aliens working out there, too. Lots and lots of loose ends.
I would not presume to second guess SS regarding pulling in the GBI to do investigation. His neighbor in Greene Co. is no dummy, either. Working on his PhD. Since they share the lake, I would hope that they are working closely together. The whole event could have happened in Greene Co. The county line is within casting distance of the D's inlet.

Just my humble opinion.

Thank you so much for your reply! I think I watched an interview with Greene Co. Sheriff. He spoke very highly of SS. Is it your opinion that Mrs. D was purposely placed on the Greene Co side of Lake Oconee and the killer/killers thought they were being clever, or they just thought it was a good place to dump a body and did not think she would be found there?

My apologies, you may have already answered this question. I need to read back again. Just glad to have you aboard. :loveyou:

 

[Foxfire]

rsbm --

Let's hope not. Hypnosis has been discredited as a way of aiding reliable recall in numerous scientific studies. It is mainly popular because of its application in TV programs and movies.

e.g.,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...t-help-accurate-memory-recall-says-study.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=117259

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/hypnomem.htm

Montjoy, I honor your opinion, but respectfully disagree.. For every scientific study completed with a specific result/conclusion. There is another scientific study that disproves their result/conclusions..
I have witnessed a forensic sketch artist; Diane Trepkov, pull locked up info from a mother who had lost her child to abduction over 3 decades earlier. Diane, not only drew a sketch of the unknown abductor, but of baby Raymond Green.
<read more at link>
GA Raymond Lamar Green (5 days) - Atlanta GA, 1978 Missing Children in America
GA Raymond Lamar Green (5 days) - Atlanta GA, 1978 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

The prior GBI forensics sketch artist Marla Lawson; mother of Kelly Lawson; GBI sketch artist, actually used psychics on occasion to prepare sketches of unknown suspects that later turned into arrests and convictions..

As are psychological behavioral profiles, forensics sketches are only one tool of many in the arsenal of investigative resources utilized to point investigators in the right direction..

http://www.cbs46.com/story/22462075/georgias-first-forensic-artist-set-to-retire-friday
Georgia's first forensic artist set to retire Friday - CBS46 News
Give her some pencils and paper, and Marla Lawson will recreate the face of evil. .

 

[Happyshoes]

Foxfire - Gracias!

 

[Foxfire]

When I figure out how to snip, I will! Thank you for asking my opinion. If you live somewhere for 20 years but only interact with people who are doing menial jobs for you, you have not really made friends. I wish we knew if they had regular help or used a cleaning or landscaping service. Yes, there must be bunches of people who work for the lake people who may have avoided questioning. There are probably undocumented aliens working out there, too. Lots and lots of loose ends.
I would not presume to second guess SS regarding pulling in the GBI to do investigation. His neighbor in Greene Co. is no dummy, either. Working on his PhD. Since they share the lake, I would hope that they are working closely together. The whole event could have happened in Greene Co. The county line is within casting distance of the D's inlet.

Just my humble opinion.

DAMIFINO, the GBI is an invaluable investigative resource, their services are free, and their elite special agents are the best of the best. High profile murder investigations are routine to them. One does not have to be a PHD to wonder why you would squander such a valuable investigative resource in a high profile investigation where resources are limited..

The innocent victims; S & D Dermond and their families receiving justice are my only concern..

 

[Hickory Born]

DAMIFINO, the GBI is an invaluable investigative resource, their services are free, and their elite special agents are the best of the best. High profile murder investigations are routine to them. One does not have to be a PHD to wonder why you would squander such a valuable investigative resource in a high profile investigation where resources are limited..

The innocent victims; S & D Dermond and their families receiving justice are my only concern..

I have talked with retired Georgia LE about this case and a major point they brought out was...why hasn't GBI been brought in?

 

[Litig8ter]

I have talked with retired Georgia LE about this case and a major point they brought out was...why hasn't GBI been brought in?

From an outsider's viewpoint, it is a "big gubberment vs. local guys" issue. Go Sheriff Sills. Look at all the TBI has accomplished in the three years of the Holly Bobo fiasco.

 

[Foxfire]

From an outsider's viewpoint, it is a "big gubberment vs. local guys" issue. Go Sheriff Sills. Look at all the TBI has accomplished in the three years of the Holly Bobo fiasco.

<BBM for Focus>
That's the story, Litiq8ter.. but, you can't get any bigger government than the FBI which has been utilized in the Dermond abduction/murders/decapitation. The actual reason, imo, is that when Sheriff Sills requested the GBI's assistance in the Nawaubian Cult investigation in 2000. The Governor; Roy Barnes refused their participation for political and other reasons. Sheriff Sills has held a grudge for over a decade now..
Justice for the Dermonds and their family is suffering due to this decision, imo...

<read more at this WS page>
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245213&page=5

 

[wildebeest]

Just thinking about the woman who saw the man on the Dermond property that Saturday. She wasn't able to give a very good description according to Sills. I wonder if she would be willing to undergo hypnosis to try to give a better description, at least enough for a sketch artist to give us a sketch of the person.

Sounds reasonable to me. What would he have to lose? Maybe he could learn something. LE has been known to use psychics, on occasion.

Also, why not bring in the GBI? :twocents:

IMHO

 

[JustyThoughts]

I enjoyed reading your background on the Putnam/Greene County area DAMIFINO. From someone very familiar with rural GA and who's family was in East GA at the time of the Revolutionary War..... you hit the nail on the head in your description of how things roll. Also, how the 1980s brought a huge change and the subsequent development of the Lake and RP.

Still hoping there will be a break and an arrest real soon.

 

[2Hope4]

July the 4th is right around the corner. Wondering how this case will affect those that normally vacation and enjoy the area? Has this case impacted the local economy? Are people going about business as usual? Or frightened that they could be next? Has the security been fixed yet?

As for the GBI, what could they bring in that the FBI hasn't? I'm being serious. Sills is using a federal agency. What does the state agencies have that the federal doesn't? IMO, the GBI is probably talking among themselves about this case. Brainstorming, but they don't have the evidence to look at.

Will there be a press conference soon? Before the holiday?

 

[southernmimi]

People are going to the lake. One of my friends and her family left this past weekend, and will stay through next weekend. She hopes the case will be solved soon, but this won't affect their plans. IMO, many feel that this was about at the Dermonds and not random so they're feeling pretty safe.

 

[OTPTarheel]

Has the possibility of the perp having Dissociative Identity Disorder been discussed with these murders?
Maybe someone has a "missing weekend" from May 2014?
Can't remember where they were or what they did that weekend.

And those tox reports should be done now.

 

[DAMIFINO]

Thank you so much for your reply! I think I watched an interview with Greene Co. Sheriff. He spoke very highly of SS. Is it your opinion that Mrs. D was purposely placed on the Greene Co side of Lake Oconee and the killer/killers thought they were being clever, or they just thought it was a good place to dump a body and did not think she would be found there?

At this point, I don't think anyone knows what they were thinking except maybe the disposer (s).


QUOTE=Bootsctr;10677211As for the GBI, what could they bring in that the FBI hasn't? I'm being serious. Sills is using a federal agency. What does the state agencies have that the federal doesn't? IMO, the GBI is probably talking among themselves about this case. Brainstorming, but they don't have the evidence to look at.


I have the pleasure of working with the retired Probate Judge of our county. He had over 30 years on the bench when he retired. He has followed this story in the MSM, and we had time to discuss it this morning. He said regarding when the GBI is requested, the local LE requests GBI help when the local LE has a conflict of interest, or could be implicated in the crime. They also are brought in when children must be questioned because they have experts in that. GBI is asked by LE to question specific suspects. GBI help is called in if the local LE feels that they are not capable of handling an investigation.

(We know that GBI processed the crime scene and that other LE agencies loaned their investigators to SS to conduct the interviews with the questionaires. We know that FBI is processing some of the possible evidence. We know that SS has made at least one trip to talk with GBI and talked with 9 different experts on that occasion. )

The Judge feels that the reason that the GBI is not in Putnam Co. right now is that there is nothing for them to do there. They don't have someone of interest for the GBI to interrogate. They don't have anything to do in Putnam Co. that local LE cannot and is not doing.

He also said that warrants in another county must be requested by the local LE in that county and from that county's Probate Judge. In other words, if they want to conduct a search on property in Greene Co. for instance, SS must ask SH and SH will get the warrant from his Probate Judge. BTW, warrants are a matter of public record.

Unfortunately, the Judge also feels that this will be an unsolved case. I hope he is wrong.

Again, just background. Sorry if this comes out screwy, I am still learning how to do this.

 

[Happyshoes]

DAMIFINO - you are a wealth of information, glad you joined us. Sorry to hear this judge say this case may go unsolved; I am starting to feel that way, too. Because Mrs. D was placed in the lake, there were 10 or 11 days that were spent thinking she had been abducted. It's hard to think someone was cunning enough to think of that as a plan. I am still hopeful about the toxicology reports. Thanks for the info about GBI, too.

 

[Vedder]

The Judge feels that the reason that the GBI is not in Putnam Co. right now is that there is nothing for them to do there. They don't have someone of interest for the GBI to interrogate. They don't have anything to do in Putnam Co. that local LE cannot and is not doing.

RSBM - interesting info regarding GBI. Thanks for the insight!


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[AgentFrankLundy]

I tried to tell ya'll a while back that Sheriff Sills was in over his head (pardon the pun) and that they will never catch who did this. These guys were pros at killing and Russell Dermond ( or some of his children) are hiding something from the public.
Sill now saying the trail is cold and judge saying pretty much same thing.