GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 9

[Montjoy]

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The GBI says the terror attacks that have happened in France over the past few days are not a foreign concept to counter-terror authorities here at home.
Today, GBI Director Vernon Keenan told Channel 2’s Mark Winne there are active terror investigations right here in Georgia.

Sure, there are. This week, three men from Rome GA were arrested for domestic terrorism. They're part of a militia group.

http://www.northwestgeorgianews.com...cle_9c2bd03e-9512-11e4-bbb8-b73fb9e6e225.html

But I can't imagine that this has anything to do with the Dermonds. Moreover, if there was a terror connection, someone would have claimed responsibility for the crime, as that's the way terror groups send a message.

And for what it's worth, terror investigations are primarily conducted by the FBI (see the linked article regarding this). They're federal crimes, outside of the mandate of the GBI.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Sure, there are. This week, three men from Rome GA were arrested for domestic terrorism. They're part of a militia group.

http://www.northwestgeorgianews.com...cle_9c2bd03e-9512-11e4-bbb8-b73fb9e6e225.html

But I can't imagine that this has anything to do with the Dermonds. Moreover, if there was a terror connection, someone would have claimed responsibility for the crime, as that's the way terror groups send a message.

And for what it's worth, terror investigations are primarily conducted by the FBI (see the linked article regarding this). They're federal crimes, outside of the mandate of the GBI.

That's interesting, wonder if that's how the PCSD feels as well (they can't imagine), so they feel there is no need to even consider anything else, time is passing, considering all the sinister things happening in this area, I think I 'd want to take a look at any possibilities if the profiling isn't getting anywhere, not saying it is or it isn't but right now, no one knows what it is or what it isn't

I guess people just don't want to believe America can be terrorized

I think SS has stated several times, there are no leads, so makes you wonder what's going on

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

murder in baldwin co in 90's in below link, this is why I don't think it's the same type of murder in the D's case, also the case mentioned up thread about a grandson beheading his grandmother, these people leave too many trails, definitely something more sinister is going on in the D's case it seems, however we still have no clue WHO it is, whether someone they knew very very closely or an acquaintence or even if a hired hit, nothing is just obvious in this case it seems to me

http://articles.philly.com/1998-10-04/news/25761460_1_death-penalty-ruling-jury-box-john-esposito

 

[Foxfire]

Sure, there are. This week, three men from Rome GA were arrested for domestic terrorism. They're part of a militia group.

http://www.northwestgeorgianews.com...cle_9c2bd03e-9512-11e4-bbb8-b73fb9e6e225.html

But I can't imagine that this has anything to do with the Dermonds. Moreover, if there was a terror connection, someone would have claimed responsibility for the crime, as that's the way trror groups send a messagee.

And for what it's worth, terror investigations are primarily conducted by the FBI (see the linked article regarding this). They're federal crimes, outside of the mandate of the GBI.

Montjoy, terrorist groups send messages in many ways. One of these ways is subliminal in nature, analogous to a riddle. This tactic is used to remain stealth while taunting those that the message is intended... After over eight months, the message and the motive should be obvious to the person/s that the Dermond abduction/decapitation/murders were directed; Sheriff Howard Sills. jmo

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GBI Investigative Division --> Enforce the Georgia Anti-Terrorism Act of 1984. A terroristic act is defined as an action that constitutes a crime against the person or residence of an individual which is committed with the specific intent to restrain that person or persons from exercising their rights under the Constitution and laws of this state and the United States on the basis of their race, national origin, religious persuasion, political beliefs or political affiliation.

The Investigative Division, under the direction of the Deputy Director for Investigations, is the largest division of the GBI with employees, working in Regional Offices, Regional Drug Enforcement Offices and other work units. Special agents from the Investigative Division respond to requests for assistance from local law enforcement officials to investigate major crimes such as: homicide, rape, child abuse, armed robbery, fraud and other felonies. Drug investigations, identity theft investigations and crimes against children investigations can be initiated without request.
Georgia Bureau of Investigation Investigative Division

Counter Terrorism Task Force

https://investigative.gbi.georgia.gov/counter-terrorism-task-force
The Counter-Terrorism Task Force (CTTF) is a project initiated and led by the Georgia Emergency Management Agency/Office of Homeland Security (GEMA-OHS) to create a state-level protective-security/rapid-reaction task force. The CTTF is composed of specially selected personnel assigned from six key state agencies: Georgia Information Sharing & Analysis Center, Georgia Emergency Management Agency/Office of Homeland Security, Georgia Department of Natural Resources, Georgia State Patrol, Georgia Bureau of Investigation, and Georgia National Guard. There are approximately 50 GBI personnel assigned to the CTTF.

The mission of the CTTF is to serve as the State of Georgia&#8217;s protective-security force, rapidly deployable and specially staffed, trained, equipped, planned, and organized to implement measures and tactics to detect, prevent, protect against, and respond to terrorist threats and attacks targeting the State&#8217;s critical infrastructure, key resources, as well as mass gatherings, high-profile events, and governmental institutions. In addition, the CTTF may be tasked to perform as an operational arm of the state&#8217;s intelligence gathering entities, conducting surveillance or other law enforcement missions to pre-empt terrorist attacks.

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[watcher9]

I don't believe there has been any information released about the weapon involved in the beheading, but I remember we were speculating about the possibility of a sword being used. If the cars were inside the garage, it would have been much easier to swing one outside the garage and then drag the body back into the garage.

Anyway, I just saw the ad for a new show coming to Discover next week, Big Giant Swords, which shows a business where swords are built. Apparently, his business is an internet YouTube success and he has customers all over. I would be curious to see if there were any customers who had addresses in and around the lake before the time of these murders. For that matter, they could check for any businesses that sell swords for any customers in the area. I know this is a stretch...

http://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwtv/...nel-to-Premiere-BIG-GIANT-SWORDS-113-20141217

 

[Montjoy]

Montjoy, terrorist groups send messages in many ways. One of these ways is subliminal in nature, analogous to a riddle.

I have a fair bit of experience and expertise in studying these groups, and I can't for the life of me think of an example of a 'subliminal' terrorist message. It makes no sense and goes against the purpose (so to speak) of terrorism. Care to provide an example?

 

[Zuri]

I don't believe there has been any information released about the weapon involved in the beheading, but I remember we were speculating about the possibility of a sword being used. If the cars were inside the garage, it would have been much easier to swing one outside the garage and then drag the body back into the garage.

Anyway, I just saw the ad for a new show coming to Discover next week, Big Giant Swords, which shows a business where swords are built. Apparently, his business is an internet YouTube success and he has customers all over. I would be curious to see if there were any customers who had addresses in and around the lake before the time of these murders. For that matter, they could check for any businesses that sell swords for any customers in the area. I know this is a stretch...

http://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwtv/...nel-to-Premiere-BIG-GIANT-SWORDS-113-20141217

I have wondered if Mr. Demond was beheaded with one of his own swords, as he collected them. He shared his passion for them with one of his grand kids and they had purchased one on a recent trip IIRC.

 

[Foxfire]

I have a fair bit of experience and expertise in studying these groups, and I can't for the life of me think of an example of a 'subliminal' terrorist message. It makes no sense and goes against the purpose (so to speak) of terrorism. Care to provide an example?

Montjoy, how many examples would you like? Silence is the predators most lethal weapon. From Helter Skelter/Manson to the most recent Boston Marathon bombings. There are many examples of subliminal messages sent by acts of terrorism and or for retribution where no one took responsibility for their heinous acts..

One of the worst of these crimes is the bombing in the baggage claim of La Guardia Airport in December 1975, which killed 11 people and wounded 75. No one took responsibility. No one was arrested. &#8220;It remains unsolved and almost forgotten&#8212;except by those whose loved ones were killed or maimed,&#8221; a former New York police supervisor told the New York Times in 2008.

<sniped from --> Why Some Terrorist Attacks Go Unsolved http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...e_terrorist_attacks_go_unsolved_and_what.html
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Helter Skelter (Manson scenario)

The murders perpetrated by members of Charles Manson's "Family" were inspired in part by Manson's belief in Helter Skelter, an apocalyptic war he believed would arise from tension over racial relations between blacks and whites...
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[atthelake]

Just checking in :seeya: :waiting:

:escape:

 

[Foxfire]

Just checking in :seeya: :waiting:

:escape:

Hey atthelake... Noticed on the local news that there was a dismembered body found at a hotel in Gainesville, GA<Hall County> last night. The GBI has been requested and is involved due to the heinous nature of the homicide...

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/27820262/gainesville-police-investigate-hotel-homicide

Gainesville Police investigate hotel homicide
Posted: Jan 11, 2015 12:35 AM EST
Updated: Jan 11, 2015 12:50 AM EST
By MYFOXATLANTA STAFF


GAINESVILLE, Ga. - Detectives with the Gainesville Police Department and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation must still determine the identity of a person found dead Saturday at an area hotel.

Investigators said an employee of the Sun Suites Extended Stay Hotel called to report a dead body inside one of the rooms around 2:00 p.m. Police would not reveal whether the remains belonged to a male or a female.
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[Razz]

FF- I don't see in the above referenced article anything about a dismembered body.

 

[Foxfire]

FF- I don't see in the above referenced article anything about a dismembered body.

RE: Noticed on the local news that there was a dismembered body found at a hotel in Gainesville, GA<Hall County> last night. The GBI has been requested and is involved due to the heinous nature of the homicide.

Razz, once the GBI arrived on the scene, the initial transparency by the Gainesville Police Chief and the Maintainance man on the local news was silenced, saying they would not release any details specific to the case as to not hinder the investigation.. What I reported was from the initial live TV5 Fox News report...

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/body-found-inside-gainesville-motel-room/njkmy/

Maxwell says the body was discovered by the motel's maintenance man sometime after 11:30 a.m. He said the maintenance worker told him the body was dismembered. Police would not confirm that, saying they would not release any details specific to the case as to not hinder the investigation.
Channel 2 Action News was there as a dumpster in the motel's parking lot was loaded on a flatbed and hauled off with police following behind. Cpl. Kevin Holbrook said it will be processed in police custody. The GBI blocked room 125 from the public's view Saturday night as they thoroughly went through every inch of the room, gathering evidence and examining the victim's body.
“I have no idea what it could be about, it’s just gruesome. Something out of a horror movie. It’s wrong, it’s scary, to think people capable of doing that in this area,” Maxwell said.
Maxwell said the maintenance man went into the room because the guest had not checked out. Police are trying to determine if the person who checked in is the same person whose body was found.
“He said it was the most horrifying thing he had seen yet," Maxwell said.
Police say they have not identified the body to notify next of kin and are still not sure of the victim's race.

 

[Vedder]

I have wondered if Mr. Demond was beheaded with one of his own swords, as he collected them. He shared his passion for them with one of his grand kids and they had purchased one on a recent trip IIRC.

Was it confirmed that Mr. Dermond collected swords? IIRC, there was a picture of swords (apparently taken on a vacation) which led to speculation.

 

[Happyshoes]

Was it confirmed that Mr. Dermond collected swords? IIRC, there was a picture of swords (apparently taken on a vacation) which led to speculation.

I got wrapped up in this theory a long time ago; the picture of the swords was on a grandkid's facebook page. They looked like they were in a basement, not a museum to me. It was a "hmmmm" moment for a lot of us, I think. MOO

 

[wildebeest]

Hi, Happy!

Yes, I think the swords were pictured on a family member's FB page, during a family vacation to Europe. I didn't think much about it.

Wish SS would find a smoking gun! :bedtime:

IMHO

 

[Happyshoes]

Hi, Happy!

Yes, I think the swords were pictured on a family member's FB page, during a family vacation to Europe. I didn't think much about it.

Wish SS would find a smoking gun! :bedtime:

IMHO

Hi beest! I do wish something would come of this case. I try to check in as often as I can, nothing on their newspaper, either. I hear the sandman calling, too. See you on the boards, here or on Morris.

 

[DAMIFINO]

Hi, Happy!

Yes, I think the swords were pictured on a family member's FB page, during a family vacation to Europe. I didn't think much about it.

Wish SS would find a smoking gun! :bedtime:

IMHO

Or a bloody knife!
What I remember is a collection of weapons, especially javelins and pikes leading against a gray wall. Seen lots of that sort of thing in Europe and Scandinavia. I can imagine that an early teen-aged boy would find that interesting, especially if they were into the fantasy and Hobbit type genre.

 

[Backwoods]

My Google search turned up an Eatonton Messenger article that it (the search) is dating Jan. 7. 2015 -- but I don't have a subscription to the EM and can't tell if it is really a recent article or maybe Google just picking up a reposting of an old one. Can any of you folks who subscribed check it out -- and, if it's recent, paraphrase?

[h=1]Dermond family members involved in restaurant franchises, real estate[/h]

http://www.msgr.com/news/crime/article_4301bba8-d6dc-11e3-9a0f-0019bb2963f4.html

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Razz, once the GBI arrived on the scene, the initial transparency by the Gainesville Police Chief and the Maintainance man on the local news was silenced, saying they would not release any details specific to the case as to not hinder the investigation.. What I reported was from the initial live TV5 Fox News report...

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/body-found-inside-gainesville-motel-room/njkmy/

Maxwell says the body was discovered by the motel's maintenance man sometime after 11:30 a.m. He said the maintenance worker told him the body was dismembered. Police would not confirm that, saying they would not release any details specific to the case as to not hinder the investigation.
Channel 2 Action News was there as a dumpster in the motel's parking lot was loaded on a flatbed and hauled off with police following behind. Cpl. Kevin Holbrook said it will be processed in police custody. The GBI blocked room 125 from the public's view Saturday night as they thoroughly went through every inch of the room, gathering evidence and examining the victim's body.
“I have no idea what it could be about, it’s just gruesome. Something out of a horror movie. It’s wrong, it’s scary, to think people capable of doing that in this area,” Maxwell said.
Maxwell said the maintenance man went into the room because the guest had not checked out. Police are trying to determine if the person who checked in is the same person whose body was found.
“He said it was the most horrifying thing he had seen yet," Maxwell said.
Police say they have not identified the body to notify next of kin and are still not sure of the victim's race.

more

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/police-seek-missing-gainesville-man-connection-mot/njmCc/
Police have not said if they have identified a motive. Police say there were no signs of forced entry into the motel room.

 

[2Hope4]

Gosh I hope and pray this will be solved SOON!!!