GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 9

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  • #181
Just typed a long post and poof, it's gone! I love tapatalk ... No!

Caught the tail end of a report just now on one of the local channels (11 alive). Something about possible new info and the Jax detectives coming today to help. However, I can't take that as gospel as I just barely caught it.

A quick search of their site found 2 articles from yesterday:

http://www.11alive.com/story/news/l...ives-help-in-georgia-beheading-case/13713313/

http://www.11alive.com/story/news/l...apitation-headless-unsolved-mystery/13737067/

Pretty similar to the article posted up thread. It only says they've reached out to the Jax detectives for help. Mentions nothing about them coming today.

Towards the end of the 1st article there is a blurb stating Sills believes access was by boat.

It also states he (Sills) will be in Atlanta today "in pursuit of more financial records connected to the victims".

And lastly, it also states "investigators recently polygraphed a potential witness who came forward with some information that may or may not be useful".

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  • #182
Good morning

At least there does seem to be some movement on this case. A small amount of information has been leaked, which leads me to believe there must be more. Are they following the money??? If this is true, they will find the perps! :twocents:

IMHO
 
  • #183
Right, he was placed there (drug a few feet or am I dreaming that?); but I don't go with the trained part because I just don't see fishermen/hunters as hit men, and I do feel they came by boat. Have often wondered if it was one or two, but glad to know SS thinks there were two. To me it explains more of the why a plan of action might have gone wrong after all was said and done. I see rage, not planned murder. I also think they were maybe going to bury both of them in the water but started with her. There's no TOD on either of them and if it happened Friday night and he wasn't found till Tues, that's a lot of time (and sorry to be grisly as Canaille said) but wouldn't they know how much time passed between his death and his beheading. And on top of that, for Mrs. D to be in the water for so long gives no clues to go on either. I just think if this were planned, something went askew. Who would plan to go saying "I'll do this to that one, while you do this to that person, then I'll do this to him, and let's go bury her"?? I am making myself dizzy! Want to hear more about the person who took the polygraph, too.

Hi, Happyshoes!

I think I mentioned this in an earlier post. Whoever the perps were, as most perps are, a taco short of a combination plate. I don't think they went to the Dermond's house that day intending to do the gory deeds that they did. I think as they started these gruesome acts, the crime kind of "morphed." :twocents:

IMHO
 
  • #184
Hi, Happyshoes!

I think I mentioned this in an earlier post. Whoever the perps were, as most perps are, a taco short of a combination plate. I don't think they went to the Dermond's house that day intending to do the gory deeds that they did. I think as they started these gruesome acts, the crime kind of "morphed." :twocents:




It's really difficult to consider anything else, but I tend to think they went prepared. I've thought about this so much and wondered what could cause such actions against two elderly people. There's obviously a lot of information that isn't known or hasn't been shared by LE. Hoping it gets solved soon...especially for the sake of their family.
 
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If the crime scene was somewhere other than their home, why bring Mr. Dermond back? Even if it was as a message to someone else, why take the chance that you might be seen returning the body?

Sometimes I wonder if the perp is reading our posts and laughing at us.
 
  • #187
Hi all - hope something comes out of the person who was polygraphed. The main reason I think the crime scene was close by (like out in the yard) is because surely there would have been a blood trail if Mr. D had been transported somewhere and brought back. And beest, I tend to think they didn't go there with the intention to kill them, either. What criminals don't have a gun these days?
 
  • #188
Keith Dermond doesn’t believe someone specifically targeted his parents for this brutal crime. He believes it’s random, maybe the work of a cult.

“It’s bad enough what happened to dad, but mom missing is like this, the thought of her suffering is too much to bear,” Keith Dermond said.

Chief Still still believes the killer specifically targeted the Dermonds because of the relative inaccessibility of their house and the fact there were no signs of struggle.

The above statements are from back in May; I guess I'm a little surprised they (SS and the son, Keith) are so far apart in their thinking. Wonder if that has changed? Going to do some more research.
 
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Sills said he visited a firm that handled financial investments for the elderly couple and emerged with a computer disk he said he obtained by court order. Only Channel 2 was there as he walked out with the disk.

"Unfortunately there's usually a monetary angle to most crime," Sills said.
Sills said he and detectives from his department continue to dog the Dermond case daily, and the FBI and other assisting agencies remain heavily involved. The FBI told Sills an agent would provide a long-awaited phone record analysis related to the case to the sheriff’s office.
This was on wsbtv.com today at 5pm. I'm probably the last one to see it but wanted to share. Wildebeest & Bootsctr, I may be eating that humble pie sooner than I thought if this turns out to be about money. It wouldn't surprise me, though.
 
  • #191
Sills said he visited a firm that handled financial investments for the elderly couple and emerged with a computer disk he said he obtained by court order. Only Channel 2 was there as he walked out with the disk.

"Unfortunately there's usually a monetary angle to most crime," Sills said.
Sills said he and detectives from his department continue to dog the Dermond case daily, and the FBI and other assisting agencies remain heavily involved. The FBI told Sills an agent would provide a long-awaited phone record analysis related to the case to the sheriff’s office.
This was on wsbtv.com today at 5pm. I'm probably the last one to see it but wanted to share. Wildebeest & Bootsctr, I may be eating that humble pie sooner than I thought if this turns out to be about money. It wouldn't surprise me, though.

No worries, Happyshoes. Or you could watch Boots and me eat crow. Sounds tastier!!! I will be happy to partake, if only this crime could be solved.

IMHO
 
  • #192

Linked vid clip shows Sheriff S w an envelope in hand and leaving a building.
Reporter v/o says something like - Sheriff S is leaving the bldg w info he got from a financial firm who handled investments for the Dermonds. He got the info w help of a ct order.
Vid shows Sheriff pulling CD from env, w Office Depot logo and handwritten notations on disk ans saying it contains info about stocks and bonds being sold and where the money went.

Is this bldg an inv. firm (local branch of, perhaps)? or is it a court bldg
(looks like big, old trad govt bldg, except for glass portico & brass trim over doors)?

Surely some of our local folks can ID the bldg Sheriff was exiting.
If it is investment firm or brokerage firm office, I'd like to know co. name.
Is it a local branch of national firm like Merrill Lynch or a local or regional firm, or maybe a mom & pop outfit?

Anyone? Thx in adv.
 
  • #193
I don't know what building it is. BUT, Sills is on my angle of the case now. Follow the money. Stocks, bonds, horse bidding, who knows what's involved, who would gain from their death, who would benefit from their death.... yup. Buy low, sell high. Suppose someone was to buy stocks or place a bid on the horse race for the Dermonds, but instead had no plans to do either, and wanted the money! Money and politics often go hand in hand as well. JMO, but most successful business people I know didn't rise to the top by being a pushover, or free flowing with their money.

And I don't know anyone that doesn't have someone who they've pissed off over the years, or the person felt slighted, or something. Business dealings might bring out an enemy, whether the person realizes it or not. Heck, people get angry, or lose friendships over such trivial things at times. But it only takes one or two mentally unstable person to perceive that trivial matter as a major one. All in perspective.

:moo:
 
  • #194
Linked vid clip shows Sheriff S w an envelope in hand and leaving a building.
Reporter v/o says something like - Sheriff S is leaving the bldg w info he got from a financial firm who handled investments for the Dermonds. He got the info w help of a ct order.
Vid shows Sheriff pulling CD from env, w Office Depot logo and handwritten notations on disk ans saying it contains info about stocks and bonds being sold and where the money went.

Is this bldg an inv. firm (local branch of, perhaps)? or is it a court bldg
(looks like big, old trad govt bldg, except for glass portico & brass trim over doors)?

Surely some of our local folks can ID the bldg Sheriff was exiting.
If it is investment firm or brokerage firm office, I'd like to know co. name.
Is it a local branch of national firm like Merrill Lynch or a local or regional firm, or maybe a mom & pop outfit?

Anyone? Thx in adv.

Don't know the building, al66pine, but for what it's worth, I believe Sills was in Atlanta? (Think an earlier MSM link said he was going to Atlanta to do more research on financials.) WSB is an Atlanta station.

ETA: Duh ...now that I've actually watched the video, I see that it has "Midtown Atlanta" graphics plastered all over and "Midtown Atlanta" is spoken several times in the video, so I guess my comment probably was not a whole lot of help! Sorry!
 
  • #195
Question: Does anyone here have an example of someone that went into witness protection that was similar to this? How doooooooooes LE explain to media and LE and family...to get them to lay off... shhhhhhhhhhhhh iykwim. There are lots of folks in witness protection (well, I have nooooooooooooo idea, just assume).

Sorry, my mind is wandering as an O/T about witness protection programs and what has happened if family thinks bad stuff has happended...

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

I jumped off your post one time before, atthelake, but definitely still chewing on the thought that I bolded in quoting it again above!


lakeoconee, wanted to thank you for the link. Very interesting and thought-provoking (and at points, disturbing) reading, and I had not seen it.


I know any further talk of Witness Protection kinds of scenarios probably seems ill-placed at this particular point, with Sheriff Sills off following the money. But I just can't shake some kind of feeling about that sort of angle...not sold on it, but I keep revisiting it. And I have to post when I get the chance, so please excuse if this falls in an odd place. I know it is no longer a popular theory...

Beyond some possible link with the oldest son's life/fate, I just can't totally get away from the possibility that the older Dermonds themselves might have been in some kind of witness security program. I do not mean by this that they, or one of them, necessarily had a criminal background...it seems that while many under that type of protection WERE criminally involved themselves, others definitely were not -- just in the wrong place at the wrong time, so to speak, and agreed to help prosecute, at their peril. Maybe that was the case was with Russell/Shirley -- and they and their (probably fairly young at the time) children were placed in a witness protection program.... Just conjecturing of course.

Some have found some of the actions of the family something to comment on -- the Dermonds not attending the trial of the man convicted of their oldest son's murder; the family not attending the vigil, returning rather quickly to their homes and keeping a somewhat subdued public presence. For the record, I DON'T find any of this objectionable or even THAT odd, but I do see how it could fit in with the theory I'm talking about here. "Lay low ... don't draw attention." I would think that likely, if the senior Dermonds (or one of them) were protected witnesses, the children (adults now) would probably not be in great danger at this point -- if the seniors' cover was blown and they paid for it with their lives, one would think the "debt" probably settled -- but I could sure understand them not making a big public show, just the same.

I think, too, of reports we have heard from some locals that the prevailing feeling in the Lake Oconee area is that the Dermonds were specifically targeted, no one else local is in danger, the killer is long "outta here". Could just be denial/getting on with life, but maybe they have picked up some vibes locally that support their belief...?

Somehow, it is kind of interesting to me, on this angle, that we suddenly get a somewhat younger-years photo of the Dermonds... may not mean a thing, of course. I see most recent news reports are carrying it. It seemed to me from the beginning that there was a bit of a paucity of pics, but JMO. (Also remembering -- and again, it may mean nothing -- when one of the kids commented, early on, that the Dermonds looked so young that their friends were probably going to be surprised to learn, from media reports surrounding the crime, their real age. Hmmm. Maybe just a bit odd...? Not sure.)

Of course, I do think that, if witness protection (at least with the senior Dermonds the protected -- something related to the older son somehow, now, that's a different story) were involved, Sills would know, by now. What a quandary that would be...what is the protocol?? (As you, atthelake, were asking, I think.) Would have to be really hard on Sills' ego to swallow that down and basically be forced, eventually, into letting this become a "cold case", as far as the public is concerned! (Not saying Sills is a big egotist, but you have to have some ego strength to do what he does, IMO.)

He's still out there following leads, asking for tips, I know -- so likely I am way off base with this theory, but since it's kind of haunting me ... well, there it is.

On another front: Maybe I am flattering us, but I have the eeriest feeling that this is one of those cases where media is watching WS! Example -- someone posted the other day "Where is Mark Winne (WSB reporter) and suddenly, bang, there he is with a report on the Dermond case! (Maybe the media simply has about the same level of frustration tolerance we do, though -- and just couldn't stand it anymore, rang up the son and the sheriff!)

Either that or one of our mods contacted the media and said, "Please! Get an update! That gang on that thread is driving us nuts!!" (LOL, joking, mods -- no evil intent!!)
 
  • #196
"Sills said he visited a firm that handled financial investments for the elderly couple and
emerged with a computer disk he said he obtained by court order.
Only Channel 2 Action News was there as he walked out with the disk
."
""Unfortunately there's usually a monetary angle to most crime," Sills said."
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/sheriff-reveals-new-updates-putnam-co-beheading-ca/ngyDy/. BBM
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Being familiar w a national brokerage firm home office procedures in handling LE & litigation records requests & subpoena,
I'm puzzled about it being handled the way the link showed.
If a request for, say, a client's account monthly statements (or a/c agreemts, check copies, etc) was served on a branch office,
branch personnel would forward to home office, which would make copies & affidavit signed by Custodian of Records & notarized,
w. company seal, etc & send hardcopy to LE, by USPS registered or other trackable service.
In some situations we provide that plus other electronic or digital forms of the material, like a CD.

IOW, I don't recall any situation where LE appeared (w or w/out ct order) and walked out w a CD,
the way Sheriff S appeared to do so, in the link. Just IME, though.

May be handled differently by other brokerages or investment firms, esp a regional firm, esp mom and pop outfit.
Or differently if Dermonds a/c was handled by a registered Investment Advisor, rather than a brokerage.

So I'm still wondering from which building Sheriff was exiting in link and which firms' offices are there.
Was it in Putnam Co, Greene Co, Atlanta city limits?

Thx in adv.
 
  • #197
Interesting that Winne was there to report that SS got the CD. That means SS had him meet him there. SS seems to be talking to someone in the Atl area by directing his interviews to Atl news outlets.
The banner at the bottom of the story says Mid-town Atlanta and then switched to Peachtree St. He said the firm handled financial investments for the D's.
 
  • #198
SS said that of the 4 or 5 polygraph tests that were done, none of them were lying. All except the last one were done shortly after the murders and were people who worked around LO. Going back to the info earlier last week(?) about a lead, remember someone had a tip and they were polygraphed. Can we infer that the tipster was telling the truth? I think so.
Wonder if it was to go get the info that would be on that CD.
He also said that there is an email address that people can leave tips and 10 came in the night before.
Now he is following the money. Go bird dog! You're getting there!
 
  • #199
Interesting that Winne was there to report that SS got the CD. That means SS had him meet him there. SS seems to be talking to someone in the Atl area by directing his interviews to Atl news outlets.
The banner at the bottom of the story says Mid-town Atlanta and then switched to Peachtree St. He said the firm handled financial investments for the D's.

Backwoods and DAMIFINO - Yes, it is interesting that this interview was set up in advance. Also, Al66pine, I'm guessing this is the home office of whatever firm Mr. D used; and Sills is determined that there are no leaks in this case, so I think that must be why he picked it up in person (plus easier on Mark Winne to let the public know something). And as Backwoods said, they most likely are reading this and can see the frustration (ps..it was me who said "Where's Mark Winne?" haha). They obviously have a very good working relationship and Mark has the exclusive on it; any other reporter would be badgering them IMO. He only asks what questions they seem to have prepared in advance. I lived in Midtown/Buckhead for years and I'm not certain, but that looks like the Georgian Terrace Hotel to me (across from the Fox Theatre). I wish they had panned out a little. I don't see why it took 3 months to download that information, the phone analysis either. Now how long will it take to review them? Sills is right that there is usually a monetary gain from most crimes (unless they are sexual in nature), but even jealousy, killing an ex-wife/husband, is more than just anger. Somebody benefits.
 
  • #200
Mornin folks, got this mysterious case solved yet? Glad to see the ms media; WSB tv2, Macon telegraph, Eatonton Messengeretc., climb back out from under their desks and update the public on the seemingly lack of progress in the Dermond abduction/murders/decapitation investigation..

There is an incredible amount of interest by the public after over three months since this heinous crime occurred. WSB TV2 posted their latest article by Mark Winne on their facebook page yesterday, and the article already has 106 Shares, 70 Comments, and 324 Likes.
https://www.facebook.com/wsbtv (scroll down for article;
Sheriff says polygraph tests being used in Putnam County beheading investigation)
 
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