GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 9

[Backwoods]

New details as mystery reigns in year-old Dermond lake murders

http://www.macon.com/2015/05/02/3726718/new-details-as-mystery-reigns.html

From your link:

...The FBI’s Behavioral Analysis Unit has provided Sills with a broad description of the culprit.

“Someone who likes guns and knives,” Sills said, recalling some contents of the FBI’s report.

Such insight -- helpful as it may be down the road -- does little to narrow the field of suspects.
That said, it points out a daunting truth.

Practically anyone could be the killer. ...

...Shirley, the sheriff says, appears to have been up and dressed for the day, while Russ, in a robe, T-shirt, boxer shorts and slippers, may have, when the killer arrived, just been into his morning coffee-drinking and reading routine...

...On a recent afternoon, Putnam sheriff’s Detective Dave Henry was in Sills’ office.

Aside from Sills, Henry knows more about the Dermond case than anyone....

“Anything that is halfway sane is a very plausible theory,” Henry said, “at this point.”

He recalls one tipster, though, who was convinced that the killer is an al-Qaida or Islamic State operative.

Some have suggested professional hit men as the culprits. Others figure the Dermonds fell prey to a cult.

Still others wonder if the slayings were a plot by religious zealots to embarrass the sheriff for sending Nuwaubian leader Dwight York to federal prison for life in a heralded case from a decade ago.

Leads have, at times, looked promising. They have merited days, weeks of inquiry. They have led investigators to other parts of Georgia and out of state.

Yet they have all, not unlike the villain whose misdeeds provoked them, faded into oblivion for the time being....

http://www.macon.com/2015/05/02/3726718/new-details-as-mystery-reigns.html

 

[Foxfire]

From your link:

http://www.macon.com/2015/05/02/3726718/new-details-as-mystery-reigns.html

<snipped from article for focus>.
RE: &#8216;A LOT OF BRICK WALLS&#8217;.

On a recent afternoon, Putnam sheriff&#8217;s Detective Dave Henry was in Sills&#8217; office.
Aside from Sills, Henry knows more about the Dermond case than anyone.
The Dermond case has all but consumed him.

&#8220;Seems like every free minute I&#8217;ve got, my mind is rehashing stuff, trying to think of things we may have missed or overlooked,&#8221; Henry said.

&#8220;I try to keep an open mind. I try to keep the blinders off, because I don&#8217;t want to get tunnel vision on any one person or any one theory.... Everybody&#8217;s got their own theory on what happened -- and a lot of them are possible.&#8221;.
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Guess, after a year and investigators have hit a brick wall, it is very difficult for them not to have tunnel vision or a perceived hypothesis in such a high profile investigation. The Adam Walsh case went cold for almost three decades due to perceived hypothesis and jurisdictional linkage blindness by investigators..

Imo, seldom does the perpertrators of an unsolved crime as heinous and horrific as the Dermond abduction/decapitation/murders leave a riddle laden residue trail in their wake which is as obvious as in this case.

'The writing is on the wall and the Devil is in the details'..jmho.

 

[Foxfire]

From your link:

..The FBI&#8217;s Behavioral Analysis Unit has provided Sills with a broad description of the culprit.

&#8220;Someone who likes guns and knives,&#8221; Sills said, recalling some contents of the FBI&#8217;s report.

Such insight -- helpful as it may be down the road -- does little to narrow the field of suspects.

...On a recent afternoon, Putnam sheriff&#8217;s Detective Dave Henry was in Sills&#8217; office.

Aside from Sills, Henry knows more about the Dermond case than anyone....

&#8220;Anything that is halfway sane is a very plausible theory,&#8221; Henry said, &#8220;at this point.&#8221;

He recalls one tipster, though, who was convinced that the killer is an al-Qaida or Islamic State operative.

Some have suggested professional hit men as the culprits. Others figure the Dermonds fell prey to a cult.

Still others wonder if the slayings were a plot by religious zealots to embarrass the sheriff for sending Nuwaubian leader Dwight York to federal prison for life in a heralded case from a decade ago.

Leads have, at times, looked promising. They have merited days, weeks of inquiry. They have led investigators to other parts of Georgia and out of state.

Yet they have all, not unlike the villain whose misdeeds provoked them, faded into oblivion for the time being....

<respectfully sniped & BBM for focus>

Would luv to see the complete psychological criminal profile that the FBI&#8217;s Behavioral Analysis Unit has provided to Sheriff Sills..
Ironically, the Nuwaubian Nation of Moors/NC, and their security force; 'The Mujahad', fit all of the above BBM like the proverbial glove..jmho

Websleuths Nuwaubian Cult <parking lot thread>
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?251809-Nuwaubian-Cult&p=11727677#post11727677

 

[watcher9]

From links above -

..Shirley, the sheriff says, appears to have been up and dressed for the day, while Russ, in a robe, T-shirt, boxer shorts and slippers, may have, when the killer arrived, just been into his morning coffee-drinking and reading routine...

Do they now now it happened in the morning as opposed to afternoon or night?
Do we know if this is their normal daily morning routine?
Some retirees (and other people) don't bother to dress unless they are going out.
Was he reading the morning paper with a date on it or a book?

Added link.
http://www.macon.com/2015/05/02/3726718/new-details-as-mystery-reigns.html

 

[Treelights]

From links above -

..Shirley, the sheriff says, appears to have been up and dressed for the day, while Russ, in a robe, T-shirt, boxer shorts and slippers, may have, when the killer arrived, just been into his morning coffee-drinking and reading routine...

Do they now now it happened in the morning as opposed to afternoon or night?
Do we know if this is their normal daily morning routine?
Some retirees (and other people) don't bother to dress unless they are going out.
Was he reading the morning paper with a date on it or a book?

Added link.
http://www.macon.com/2015/05/02/3726718/new-details-as-mystery-reigns.html

I guess now, I can say Pardon Me...
and a part of this post from a poster on the first thread is eerily correct... Post # 1042 from May 12, 2014

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...m-County-2-4-May-2014&p=10535844#post10535844

 

[Foxfire]

I guess now, I can say Pardon Me...
and a part of this post from a poster on the first thread is eerily correct... Post # 1042 from May 12, 2014

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...m-County-2-4-May-2014&p=10535844#post10535844

Bringing forward Post #1042 Dermond thread #1
If the date that the security gates camera/s quit functioning properly was on April 28/2014. This is very significant, imo..

05-12-2014, 11:18 PM #1042 Multiplicativity
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According to unnamed sources:
1) the gates camera quit functioning properly on April 28.
2)Mr. D was found in his PJ bottoms and a house robe. There were Saturday and Sunday papers in the driveway. Leading to the belief that this all happened Friday night or Saturday morning.
3)Mr. D's head was removed in one clean cut, with possibly a second to finish through the bone. (This leads me to believe that whoever did this knew how much strength it would take.)

There is only one road into this community. It has a guard house that is manned 24/7 by an officer who calls upon assistance when anyone without the proper decal goes through the gate and does not stop to be cleared and given a pass. I believe the perp entered by boat. I also feel that this was a warning to a family member in some trouble.

Sniped from the article & BBM for focus;

Out at the Great Waters entrance, there is now a security gate, one of those arms that goes up and down when you’re let in. The guard shack lies a shade under two miles from the Dermond house. Its security cameras had been knocked out by a storm in the weeks before the killings and were of no use to the authorities.

Read more here: http://www.macon.com/2015/05/02/3726718/new-details-as-mystery-reigns.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Carolinapeach]

FROM WGXA NEWS: Russell and Shirley Dermond were brutally murdered a year ago. With no suspects and no leads, their killer remains a mystery. One man hasn't given up hope and remains Determined for the Dermonds. Monday at 10pm on FOX24 and 11PM on ABC16.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYxM6mpLxl4&feature=youtu.be

I do not get this channel so hopefully someone who does can update or maybe it will be posted on the news site after it airs.

 

[Sonya610]

Mr. D's head was removed in one clean cut, with possibly a second to finish through the bone. (This leads me to believe that whoever did this knew how much strength it would take.)

One clean cut? Sounds like someone that has had deer hunting experience. Course that doesn't narrow it down much in rural Georgia.

 

[Foxfire]

Quote Originally Posted by Foxfire

Mr. D's head was removed in one clean cut, with possibly a second to finish through the bone. (This leads me to believe that whoever did this knew how much strength it would take.)

One clean cut? Sounds like someone that has had deer hunting experience. Course that doesn't narrow it down much in rural Georgia.

Sonya610, I don't remember posting that comment.. Do you have a link for the original post? TYIA

 

[Elisaa444]

Sonya610, I don't remember posting that comment.. Do you have a link for the original post? TYIA

Hi Foxfire,

Looks like there was some confusion with this quote. Here is the link to the original post you are speaking of and it was a post made by user Multiplicativity:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...m-County-2-4-May-2014&p=10535844#post10535844


The specific comment you're referring to is listed under #3 of the post above by user, Multiplicativity. I don't know how to bring posts over from closed threads other than provide the link. Of course, I'm not Sonya610 I'm replying to your post because I saw what you were asking about as I started reading.

 

[Foxfire]

Quote Originally Posted by Foxfire

Mr. D's head was removed in one clean cut, with possibly a second to finish through the bone. (This leads me to believe that whoever did this knew how much strength it would take.)

Quote Originally Posted by Sonya610 View Post
One clean cut? Sounds like someone that has had deer hunting experience. Course that doesn't narrow it down much in rural Georgia.

Quote Originally Posted by Foxfire View Post
Sonya610, I don't remember posting that comment.. Do you have a link for the original post? TYIA

Hi Foxfire,

Looks like there was some confusion with this quote. Here is the link to the original post you are speaking of and it was a post made by user Multiplicativity:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...m-County-2-4-May-2014&p=10535844#post10535844


The specific comment you're referring to is listed under #3 of the post above by user, Multiplicativity. I don't know how to bring posts over from closed threads other than provide the link. Of course, I'm not Sonya610 I'm replying to your post because I saw what you were asking about as I started reading.

Thank you for the link Elisaa444. I will bring it over to prevent any confusion..

05-12-2014, 11:18 PM #1042 Multiplicativity Multiplicativity is offline
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According to unnamed sources:
1) the gates camera quit functioning properly on April 28.
2)Mr. D was found in his PJ bottoms and a house robe. There were Saturday and Sunday papers in the driveway. Leading to the belief that this all happened Friday night or Saturday morning.
3)Mr. D's head was removed in one clean cut, with possibly a second to finish through the bone. (This leads me to believe that whoever did this knew how much strength it would take.)

There is only one road into this community. It has a guard house that is manned 24/7 by an officer who calls upon assistance when anyone without the proper decal goes through the gate and does not stop to be cleared and given a pass. I believe the perp entered by boat. I also feel that this was a warning to a family member in some trouble.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

From links above -

..Shirley, the sheriff says, appears to have been up and dressed for the day, while Russ, in a robe, T-shirt, boxer shorts and slippers, may have, when the killer arrived, just been into his morning coffee-drinking and reading routine...

Do they now now it happened in the morning as opposed to afternoon or night?
Do we know if this is their normal daily morning routine?
Some retirees (and other people) don't bother to dress unless they are going out.
Was he reading the morning paper with a date on it or a book?

Added link.
http://www.macon.com/2015/05/02/3726718/new-details-as-mystery-reigns.html

my sentiments as well. Some elders drink an eveing cup of coffee also
Either way, as far as attire, she could have been first dressed (morning) or last to wind down (evening)

Coffe and a paper might narrow it down

still curious about by boat or car and how they would have gotten thru the gate without giving ID, so maybe the perp(s) live in the area?

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

[Quote Originally Posted by Foxfire View Post
Sonya610, thanx for sharing your ideas and keeping the discussion going. All theories are welcomed. Imo, awareness is very important to increase the probability of justice for the Dermonds and their family. In a chat discussion which followed a local media investigative report a few months ago. Sheriff Howard Sills chimed in and shared some new info concerning suspicious activity on the Dermond's security alarm system two weeks prior to their murders.
Imo, the Dermond abduction/decapitation/murders were very well planned and executed with precision, culminating with the exact results intended by the perp/s... jmo ]

hmmmm,

April 1, 2014 April Fool's Day
April 18, 2014 Good Friday
April 20, 2014 Easter
April 21, 2014 Easter Monday
April 22, 2014 Earth Day
12 - 13 days later
May 2-3 Murdered
May 7, body discovered


http://www.wincalendar.com/April-Calendar/April-2014-Calendar.html

Did the security camera at the GATE to GW malfunction AS WELL AS the Dermond's personl home security or was D's personal HSS reset or something?

 

[watcher9]

I think there may be a hidden clue in this statement "we'll just leave it at that", like maybe there is more to this man sighting than the sheriff wants to disclose.

Though Sills declined to elaborate, he mentioned the sighting of a potential suspect outside the Dermond house at 147 Carolyn Drive.

&#8220;A man,&#8221; the sheriff said, &#8220;we&#8217;ll just leave it at that, was seen on the property during the period that the murders could have occurred.&#8221;

Read more here: http://www.macon.com/2015/05/02/3726718/new-details-as-mystery-reigns.html#storylink=cpy

 

[DAMIFINO]

I think there may be a hidden clue in this statement "we'll just leave it at that", like maybe there is more to this man sighting than the sheriff wants to disclose.

Though Sills declined to elaborate, he mentioned the sighting of a potential suspect outside the Dermond house at 147 Carolyn Drive.

“A man,” the sheriff said, “we’ll just leave it at that, was seen on the property during the period that the murders could have occurred.”

Read more here: http://www.macon.com/2015/05/02/3726718/new-details-as-mystery-reigns.html#storylink=cpy

It seems that SS is putting much more credence in the sighting of the man on the property than previously. Maybe he thinks that the man was waiting for the boat.

SS said that the killer was looking for something in the house and when they catch him they have evidence that will match up. Maybe fingerprints?

This has been discussed before but do we know more about if the killer came or left by the unlocked front door? How did the people who found Mr. D get in/ Did they have a key, did they come in the front or back? Was the garage door up?
I don't think this really matters but I don't recall that we knew that the couple who found Mr. D. were the hosts of the derby party.

 

[Treelights]

I think there may be a hidden clue in this statement "we'll just leave it at that", like maybe there is more to this man sighting than the sheriff wants to disclose.

Though Sills declined to elaborate, he mentioned the sighting of a potential suspect outside the Dermond house at 147 Carolyn Drive.

&#8220;A man,&#8221; the sheriff said, &#8220;we&#8217;ll just leave it at that, was seen on the property during the period that the murders could have occurred.&#8221;

Read more here: http://www.macon.com/2015/05/02/3726718/new-details-as-mystery-reigns.html#storylink=cpy

Absolutely, in my opinion.
Perhaps, they know who this man is, or perhaps there is another person, as well, besides this man.
Maybe this person wore unique clothing as well, that could determine where he worked perhaps? (uniform?)
Many questions due to the fact he said "We'll just leave it at that".
IMOO.

 

[Foxfire]

http://www.macon.com/2015/05/02/372..._1040212839341358_1040212839341358#f1e7514c04

<snipped & BBM for focus>
Might the slayings be the work of burglars the Dermonds walked in on?

Perhaps, Sills says, but the usual things a burglar might steal -- televisions, jewelry, electronics -- were apparently not taken.

Shirley, the sheriff says, appears to have been up and dressed for the day, while Russ, in a robe, T-shirt, boxer shorts and slippers, may have, when the killer arrived, just been into his morning coffee-drinking and reading routine.

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Well, if Mr Dermond was in his underwear & robe, it is highly unlikely that he walked in on a burgularly in progress.. Since the Dermonds were security conscious, according to their son. It is doubtful that the door was left unlocked by them, imo. Imo, the perps used a ruse to gain entry into the Dermond's home..

 

[Sonya610]

Sonya610, I don't remember posting that comment.. Do you have a link for the original post? TYIA

You actually quoted it from Multiplicativity. See the post you made yesterday, post 1026.

Since quotes don't show up when quoting another users post I edited by hand to show where the post came from (hence your name showing up). If you click the blue arrows next to the quoted person's name it takes you to the original post.

 

[Foxfire]

I think there may be a hidden clue in this statement "we'll just leave it at that", like maybe there is more to this man sighting than the sheriff wants to disclose.

Though Sills declined to elaborate, he mentioned the sighting of a potential suspect outside the Dermond house at 147 Carolyn Drive.

“A man,” the sheriff said, “we’ll just leave it at that, was seen on the property during the period that the murders could have occurred.”

Read more here: http://www.macon.com/2015/05/02/3726718/new-details-as-mystery-reigns.html#storylink=cpy

It seems that SS is putting much more credence in the sighting of the man on the property than previously. Maybe he thinks that the man was waiting for the boat.

SS said that the killer was looking for something in the house and when they catch him they have evidence that will match up. Maybe fingerprints?

This has been discussed before but do we know more about if the killer came or left by the unlocked front door? How did the people who found Mr. D get in/ Did they have a key, did they come in the front or back? Was the garage door up?
I don't think this really matters but I don't recall that we knew that the couple who found Mr. D. were the hosts of the derby party.

Absolutely, in my opinion.
Perhaps, they know who this man is, or perhaps there is another person, as well, besides this man.
Maybe this person wore unique clothing as well, that could determine where he worked perhaps? (uniform?)
Many questions due to the fact he said "We'll just leave it at that".
IMOO.

After over a year without a named suspect, poi, or even a motive. Why is this info being kept from the public and so close to the vest? Why no sketch or a physical description, clothing, etc? 'Silence is the predator's most lethal weapon'.. 'Imo silence by LE via msm only causes innocent victim's lives lost and mounting cold cases'..

 

[Treelights]

After over a year without a named suspect, poi, or even a motive. Why is this info being kept from the public and so close to the vest? Why no sketch or a physical description, clothing, etc? 'Silence is the predator's most lethal weapon'.. 'Imo silence by LE via msm only causes innocent victim's lives lost and mounting cold cases'..

Maybe they know who this person is, and is watching this person?
Maybe they know it was "personal", and meant for the Dermonds, only.
Maybe they don't think this killer is after any body else?

I do understand what you mean about "silence", though.
I suppose, Sheriff Sills has his reasons that he doesn't want to discuss.
Perhaps he thought he would have solved the case by now, and since the case
hasn't been solved, maybe that's why there's a little more info here and there.
Maybe he wants the perp to think he has more info than he really has?
Or maybe he does have more info that he will not share in the future?
For whatever reason(s), I guess he thinks it is working for him at the moment, or it Will
work in the future, but it's been about a year now...
IMOO.