GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 9

[DAMIFINO]

After over a year without a named suspect, poi, or even a motive. Why is this info being kept from the public and so close to the vest? Why no sketch or a physical description, clothing, etc? 'Silence is the predator's most lethal weapon'.. 'Imo silence by LE via msm only causes innocent victim's lives lost and mounting cold cases'..

Good question. There must be a reason.

 

[Tillicum]

Hi yall :seeya: I haven't commented on this thread but read here occasionally. It may have been mentioned before and I missed it, but there were some comments made at a vigil before Shirley was found that seemed hinky to me. So much so that after sharing it with hubby, I called the tip line and spoke to an officer. I got the impression he didn't think it was worth pursuing. I'd like to get your opinions and see what you think. Remember that when this was said, Shirley hadn't been found and no one knew if she was still alive. There's more than one quote from the friend in the article. http://m.wsbradio.com/news/news/local/channel-2-joins-dnr-survey-lake-near-putnam-co-cou/nfswy/

“So sweet, that's part of the thing that’s tough to grasp -- the horrific nature of how they died,” Nelson said.

 

[Sonya610]

Hi yall :seeya: I haven't commented on this thread but read here occasionally. It may have been mentioned before and I missed it, but there were some comments made at a vigil before Shirley was found that seemed hinky to me. So much so that after sharing it with hubby, I called the tip line and spoke to an officer. I got the impression he didn't think it was worth pursuing. I'd like to get your opinions and see what you think. Remember that when this was said, Shirley hadn't been found and no one knew if she was still alive. There's more than one quote from the friend in the article. http://m.wsbradio.com/news/news/local/channel-2-joins-dnr-survey-lake-near-putnam-co-cou/nfswy/

It does sound a bit odd...

Dermond family friend Len Nelson said he drove to the vigil with the couple’s next door neighbor.

"She's got to get over it, she's just got to get over it security around her home. It’s tough, it’s tough,” Nelson said.


The comment about "so sweet" also seems a bit odd. But odd comments aren't evidence for charges kwim? I will say something about the rural South....a lot of folks don't like their neighbors. Kind of funny since there is often a lot of space between houses, but nevertheless.

 

[Foxfire]

Good question. There must be a reason.

DAMIFINO, I honor and respect your opinion...
After over a year cold, Sheriff Howard Sills admits that he is afraid of not finding out who abducted/decapitated/murdered Shirley and Russel Dermond--> 3 minutes & 16 seconds into the linked msm video below, Sheriff Sillis uses the sillyism about catching one fish in a very large pond, no stump to cast to, and then throwing a wide net. 'Can you say Lowrance GPS side range fishfinder'?

This is the 21st century. All available investigative resources, including the Georgia Bureau of Investigations, and an informed citizenry via msm/social media must be utilized to insure justice for the Dermonds and their family...jmo

Unsolved Putnam murders trouble sheriff
http://www.13wmaz.com/videos/news/2015/04/29/26598679/

 

[Foxfire]

'Imo, although sending a message of retribution was the motive for this horrific crime, terror was the actual intent'..
__________

New details as mystery reigns in year-old Dermond lake murders
BY JOE KOVAC JR.

Read more here: http://www.macon.com/2015/05/02/372...040212839341358&rh=1#f30df4d4c4#storylink=cpy

There was terror in her voice the morning the murder mystery came to light.

She was on the phone, gasping, breathless in the 11 seconds it took someone to answer and say, “Putnam County 911.”

“Yes, uh, I have an emergency,” the woman, 68, said. “I think I have somebody dead. ... Oh, my God. Oh, my god.”

Come Wednesday, a year will have passed since that emergency call, since the frantic woman’s husband found the decapitated body of their 88-year-old friend, Russell J. “Russ” Dermond.
<snipped - read more @ Link>

 

[steelman]

After over a year without a named suspect, poi, or even a motive. Why is this info being kept from the public and so close to the vest? Why no sketch or a physical description, clothing, etc? 'Silence is the predator's most lethal weapon'.. 'Imo silence by LE via msm only causes innocent victim's lives lost and mounting cold cases'..

You're exactly right. I basically said the same thing about 3 or 4 months ago. It's time for them to lay out what evidence they do have for public scrutiny. Composite sketches, age and color of suspect, "intimate" details of the crime that may pinpoint someone. I really think that the cops are sitting on information that would break this case wide open if they were to just inform the public. I know they have big ego's and they want to get credit for solving a murder like this, but there comes a time when you may need to ask for help from the public. They always want the public to come forward and volunteer everything they know, but yet the cops seem to love to horde information and refuse to answer even the most basic questions without being evasive and carefully guarding their words.

Cooperation is a two-way street. Not to mention, there are many more eyes and ears out there in the public than there are on the police force. Should a critical piece of evidence lead to the light bulb going off in somebodies head, then sharing what they know would be well worth it.

I've never understood the concept of withholding information "to protect the integrity of the investigation". Um.....okay.........but if you can't solve the crime due to it, then what have you gained ??

 

[DAMIFINO]

Hi yall :seeya: I haven't commented on this thread but read here occasionally. It may have been mentioned before and I missed it, but there were some comments made at a vigil before Shirley was found that seemed hinky to me. So much so that after sharing it with hubby, I called the tip line and spoke to an officer. I got the impression he didn't think it was worth pursuing. I'd like to get your opinions and see what you think. Remember that when this was said, Shirley hadn't been found and no one knew if she was still alive. There's more than one quote from the friend in the article. http://m.wsbradio.com/news/news/local/channel-2-joins-dnr-survey-lake-near-putnam-co-cou/nfswy/

May I suggest that you call SS again?

 

[Carolinapeach]

Local church holds memorial service for murdered Putnam County couple

http://www.41nbc.com/story/d/story/...e-for-murdered-p/17996/FLhZQ-BCM0SeAAvT0Kf6mg

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I think there may be a hidden clue in this statement "we'll just leave it at that", like maybe there is more to this man sighting than the sheriff wants to disclose.

Though Sills declined to elaborate, he mentioned the sighting of a potential suspect outside the Dermond house at 147 Carolyn Drive.

&#8220;A man,&#8221; the sheriff said, &#8220;we&#8217;ll just leave it at that, was seen on the property during the period that the murders could have occurred.&#8221;

Read more here: http://www.macon.com/2015/05/02/3726718/new-details-as-mystery-reigns.html#storylink=cpy

I agree watcher9, good to know SS apparently knows more about this POI, thought it very odd, as did many, that the witness didn't know ANYthing about this man and then I aksed, then how did they kinow it was a man,

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

It does sound a bit odd...

Dermond family friend Len Nelson said he drove to the vigil with the couple’s next door neighbor.

"She's got to get over it, she's just got to get over it security around her home. It’s tough, it’s tough,” Nelson said.


The comment about "so sweet" also seems a bit odd. But odd comments aren't evidence for charges kwim? I will say something about the rural South....a lot of folks don't like their neighbors. Kind of funny since there is often a lot of space between houses, but nevertheless.

Not alot of space in every corner of GA, many Sbdv are tight, Sonja, also, depends on where you live in the south, if you want FRIENDLY, if it's transient, foget it

I am interpreting his comments as
1-his wife or dermonds female neighbor?? freaking out? worried about security? it's tough, it's tough I know but she can't live in fear like this, she's killing me, LOL
2-so sweet (referring to shirley) and horrific death is the terrible part of how she died

I know a news journalist recorded me once about some controversy in my town and I didnt' know anything about it and they cut off most of what i said and had me only saying "dont' like it" when I actually said, a lot of people don't like it but I dont' live near here

But I do recall that article and those words and it was odd at the time, still might be, but I was trying to view it this time as if it was innocent and see what i saw

 

[Treelights]

Not alot of space in every corner of GA, many Sbdv are tight, Sonja, also, depends on where you live in the south, if you want FRIENDLY, if it's transient, foget it

I am interpreting his comments as
1-his wife or dermonds female neighbor?? freaking out? worried about security? it's tough, it's tough I know but she can't live in fear like this, she's killing me, LOL
2-so sweet (referring to shirley) and horrific death is the terrible part of how she died

I know a news journalist recorded me once about some controversy in my town and I didnt' know anything about it and they cut off most of what i said and had me only saying "dont' like it" when I actually said, a lot of people don't like it but I dont' live near here

But I do recall that article and those words and it was odd at the time, still might be, but I was trying to view it this time as if it was innocent and see what i saw

I think he meant the female neighbor #1
and #2 what is odd is that Shirley was missing at this point so no one knew if Shirley was alive or dead
so the horrific death about how she died, well, how would he know?
IMOO.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Hi yall :seeya: I haven't commented on this thread but read here occasionally. It may have been mentioned before and I missed it, but there were some comments made at a vigil before Shirley was found that seemed hinky to me. So much so that after sharing it with hubby, I called the tip line and spoke to an officer. I got the impression he didn't think it was worth pursuing. I'd like to get your opinions and see what you think. Remember that when this was said, Shirley hadn't been found and no one knew if she was still alive. There's more than one quote from the friend in the article. http://m.wsbradio.com/news/news/local/channel-2-joins-dnr-survey-lake-near-putnam-co-cou/nfswy/

I think I recall one of the Dermond's sons, saying, we hope she's alive but didn't believe she was......

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I think he meant the female neighbor #1
and #2 what is odd is that Shirley was missing at this point so no one knew if Shirley was alive or dead
so the horrific death about how she died, well, how would he know?
IMOO.

Yes I think so too, the female neighbor
Didnt' see where he knew she was dead........thought maybe talking about security mainly and the the fact that she was so sweet and her husband being beheaded, the whole thing looked like a past tense for SD possibly, just stating a View point, but I did originally think it was very odd

 

[Treelights]

"He says the only possible witness they have was a caller who says, from a distance, she saw a man on the Dermonds' property that Saturday afternoon."

http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/local/2014/06/24/no-new-leads-in-dermond-murders/11327969/

Article is from June 24, 2014

 

[Treelights]

Yes I think so too, the female neighbor
Didnt' see where he knew she was dead........thought maybe talking about security mainly and the the fact that she was so sweet and her husband being beheaded, the whole thing looked like a past tense for SD possibly, just stating a View point, but I did originally think it was very odd

This was from the article:
http://m.wsbradio.com/news/news/local/channel-2-joins-dnr-survey-lake-near-putnam-co-cou/nfswy/

&#8220;So sweet, that's part of the thing that&#8217;s tough to grasp -- the horrific nature of how they died,&#8221; - See more at: http://m.wsbradio.com/news/news/loc...ear-putnam-co-cou/nfswy/#sthash.2F7re4f5.dpuf


He used the words "They Died."

ETA:
The article was from May 10th,
http://m.wsbradio.com/news/news/local/channel-2-joins-dnr-survey-lake-near-putnam-co-cou/nfswy/

But yet Shirley wasn't found until May 16th.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/timeline/reynolds-plantation-murder/

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

It seems that SS is putting much more credence in the sighting of the man on the property than previously. Maybe he thinks that the man was waiting for the boat.

SS said that the killer was looking for something in the house and when they catch him they have evidence that will match up. Maybe fingerprints?

This has been discussed before but do we know more about if the killer came or left by the unlocked front door? How did the people who found Mr. D get in/ Did they have a key, did they come in the front or back? Was the garage door up?
I don't think this really matters but I don't recall that we knew that the couple who found Mr. D. were the hosts of the derby party.

I dont' recall knowing WHO found them was the Derby hosts either Damifino. Slowly things coming out, by this latest article it seemed that the couple came in the front door due to the mention that it was unlocked and the husband was running around the house looking for surely after they'd discovered RD, ON THE OTHER HAND GIVING IT MORE THOUGHT, they could have come in the open garage and found him and THEN gone inside the garage entrance to house then looking for her. To go to all that truoble to take his head and hide her, i'd think they wouldve shut the garage door after leaving him there in case anyone came up and found them too soon, IDK, lots of scenarios play out in my head, if garage was shut, the perps probably left by font door, but if they left by boat, why not exit the lakeside door? Wonder what they were looking for and if they got it

You know many a crime is also committed by someone close to the victims, could very well be someone very close to them, living nearby, to have gotten in the gate unhalted, god what a mystery, not sure why the secrecy of the POI on lawn either, unless maybe to protect someone and get more information. Still seems all so contradictory, SS says it's a mystery, then he's got this possible info on the man on the lawn and saying someoen was looking for something of the D's?

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Maybe they know who this person is, and is watching this person?
Maybe they know it was "personal", and meant for the Dermonds, only.
Maybe they don't think this killer is after any body else?

I do understand what you mean about "silence", though.
I suppose, Sheriff Sills has his reasons that he doesn't want to discuss.
Perhaps he thought he would have solved the case by now, and since the case
hasn't been solved, maybe that's why there's a little more info here and there.
Maybe he wants the perp to think he has more info than he really has?
Or maybe he does have more info that he will not share in the future?
For whatever reason(s), I guess he thinks it is working for him at the moment, or it Will
work in the future, but it's been about a year now...
IMOO.

On the flip side; if no one else is in danger, I would think we'd need all eyes looking for him. Also if SS is watching this person, and knows who he is, the POI lawn man, would know SS knows because he's the only person of interest on the lawn, SO, he's waiting for this guy to get nervous, on the flip side of that, put out abp or whatever and then he'll really get nervous and make a run or something, SO MAYBE they dont' want him to run, but incriminate himself for evidence, no evidence in the man running I s'pose

 

[Tillicum]

May I suggest that you call SS again?

Is there an online tipline that I could email? If was difficult to get the point across without the officer being able to view the article and quotes. I read it to him and even read the link but I'm pretty sure he didn't write it down. He said the friend "probably just assumed she was dead too". Some friend huh? He didn't seem to be worried about the safety of the friend he escorted to the vigil either even though she lived next door to the Dermonds.

 

[Carolinapeach]

Double-murder case still unsolved year later

http://www.unionrecorder.com/news/d...cle_0beb9980-f275-11e4-9372-f3e1791bfa4e.html

 

[Treelights]

Is there an online tipline that I could email? If was difficult to get the point across without the officer being able to view the article and quotes. I read it to him and even read the link but I'm pretty sure he didn't write it down. He said the friend "probably just assumed she was dead too". Some friend huh? He didn't seem to be worried about the safety of the friend he escorted to the vigil either even though she lived next door to the Dermonds.

http://putnamcountysheriff.org/crime_tip.php