GA - Twin brothers miss flight to Boston, found dead 24 hours later in Georgia mountains, 14 Mar 2025

[ttjo]

It's called hold back information. Revealing too much too soon can tip off the perpetrator(s). It's pretty standard in an ongoing investigation. Also I do want to point out one thing. I thing the convenience store the boys bought snacks at was 9 minutes away from their home instead of 9 miles. I have seen it stated both ways, but further up the thread someone familiar with the area said it was only 9 minutes. I think it makes a difference.

I get the holdback but maybe they could let that be known. I am sure some people are unsettled thinking its been left at M/S. They dont have to give details but just let people know they are still investigating ( of they are)
and 9 minutes ok thats better. that;s not that far is it?

 

[Quill]

It can be as detrimental to a case as the other side of the controversy. The holding back.
9 minutes away , could mean 2 miles .
We need a maps . And local traffic report.

I can't see it being detrimental. It only seems that way to people like us who want to try and piece it together, too. It is frustrating for others like us and family who want to know all the details, but in reality they are trying to get answers to questions from human beings who often lie and deceive. In order to get at the truth, they have to hold back some info from the public so that the people involved don't know everything the investigators know. It's simple investigation math. It is sometimes the only "tell" an investigator might have on which lead to follow. It is literally why they often will not comment on open investigation.

 

[ttjo]

I can't see it being detrimental. It only seems that way to people like us who want to try and piece it together, too. It is frustrating for others like us and family who want to know all the details, but in reality they are trying to get answers to questions from human beings who often lie and deceive. In order to get at the truth, they have to hold back some info from the public so that the people involved don't know everything the investigators know. It's simple investigation math. It is sometimes the only "tell" an investigator might have on which lead to follow. It is literally why they often will not comment on open investigation.

I can totally respect that, knowing they are still investigating would be good enough for me, I dont need to know the details.
Its not like anyone is entitled to know anything ( ecept for the family maybe) but simply saying we're not done investigating would help people to have faith in the justice system.
Even if it turns out to be a M/S, people will know they investigated. not just chalked up to that like noone cares.

 

[Quill]

I can totally respect that, knowing they are still investigating would be good enough for me, I dont need to know the details.
Its not like anyone is entitled to know anything ( ecept for the family maybe) but simply saying we're not done investigating would help people to have faith in the justice system.
Even if it turns out to be a M/S, people will know they investigated. not just chalked up to that like noone cares.

I do think they have said it is still under investigation. Have I missed any kind of final ruling? If I have, apologies. We have a major family event this weekend and I am about to be full tilt into that and won't even be able to check in here for a few days.

 

[ttjo]

I do think they have said it is still under investigation. Have I missed any kind of final ruling? If I have, apologies. We have a major family event this weekend and I am about to be full tilt into that and won't even be able to check in here for a few days.

No, maybe its me that's missing something, I heard they were waiting on tox, thats all. If they are still investigating, then that's great.
They did get that gas station surveillance, so they must be doing more.


Good luck with your family event.

 

[Fika]

That firearm used in this case...if owned by a family member of these two young men, would that owner be likely to publicly admit that? Would that owner not come forward and admit that yes indeed, the boys took my firearm? Could it be logically argued that the theoretical owner in this scenario would keep that missing firearm a secret?....if so, why would that be?

Or, assuming the firearm is NOT owned by a family member, would the family not be likely to acknowledge that publicly? Would a family member not come forth and say HEY wait a minute, where'd they get a gun? We don't own any guns?

You see, that gun either IS, or is NOT a firearm owned by a family member. So, if it was a murder/suicide, then the gun was either taken from the family member, or the gun was acquired in some other way.

If it were murder, then the gun wasn't the boy's at all, unless they had it in their possession and someone used it against them in the crime.

The gun. That's where I'm at with this thing. Either the family says nothing (which to me is the case here), they say HEY, the boys stole it from a family member, or, we own no guns, or have no missing guns.

Why's everybody involved in this, police, family, etc....mum on the gun?

Great points. I found it odd that there was no mention about the gun from the family. They don’t believe it was murder suicide and boys not owning the gun or no gun missing in the family is huge argument against murder suicide.

Unless of course gun is missing from friends or family and saying it to the media will convince some people it was murder suicide because they had gun with them. Which will result in less attention to the case.

 

[jennytrevor]

Great points. I found it odd that there was no mention about the gun from the family. They don’t believe it was murder suicide and boys not owning the gun or no gun missing in the family is huge argument against murder suicide.

Unless of course gun is missing from friends or family and saying it to the media will convince some people it was murder suicide because they had gun with them. Which will result in less attention to the case.

It’s highly possible that the twins could have had a gun that they had purchased illegally. Now I can’t speak for their area, but I am from a city in the south and of course many people I know are also from the same city. There is a school near me that I have learned from from friends where it was extremely common for boys to bring guns to school for “self defense” and just keep them in their bags all day. Basically all of these guns were stolen guns. And I do know a few people personally who would do this, and none of them were known to be part of the criminal Justice system, no arrests, just normal teens who felt the need to take part bc their peers did too, and conform to the cultural masculinity standard in their neighborhood.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Gun laws vary by state and I happen to know that Georgia has lenient laws, so I looked up sales by individuals as opposed to sales by stores that are required to have licenses. Here's what I found:
Georgia state gun laws for private sales by individuals
No state permit required for private sales.

Age restrictions: You can only sell handguns to individuals 18 and older when selling privately. There’s no age restriction for rifles and shotguns.

Background checks: No specific laws requiring a background check for private transactions between two private individuals.

 

[minazoe]

okay so they died from gunshot wounds...what could a TOX report tell us? what does the forensic exam consist of? have their computers and phones been taken? this is CRAZY! they cannot honestly expect this family to just say ok to such a bizarre set of circumstances. They have a right to know what happened and if it is M/S then what drove this situation.

I mean the family doesn't even need to make it public. They can say that evidence found leads them to believe that this was in fact a M/S and the tragic case is closed.

Now what are the deets on the gun? if the gun did belong to a family member then that opens up a whole new can of worms. I personally doubt it. No..I think someone who knows their way around that mountain, took them up there and killed them..If it was catfish I think there had to be something
to benefit the catfish..like money...if not, what is the point of such an elaborate scheme? mOO

 

[minazoe]

just adding..for those who feel the boys bought plane tickets in order to delay the discovery of their bodies..this just seems so unlikely..because if so then why did they even go to the airport to begin with? why kill yourselves in a public tourist attraction? why leave the tickets in your pockets and your wallets and phones on the carseats? ( something about the carseat items is very suss to me).
why would teenagers be so considerate and think of these details? no this is too weird and totally out of character. I wonder if any teachers or friends have come out to speak on this hurtful situation.
mOO

 

[statt#1]

I think it's possible the twins were on a road trip to the mountain just for fun. When they got there, they ran in to someone, or more than one, words might have been exchanged, and the murders ensued. The gun though. Was it found at the scene or not?

And if it's M/S, then the gun surely was found at the scene, unless somebody happened upon it and stole it....which I find highly improbable.

Then, if the gun doesn't belong to a family member, well, I'm just thinking through if I were in those shoes, and nobody in my family was missing a gun, I'd sure be making that known to anyone who would hear it. I'd be asking LE...IF it was a M/S, and the gun wasn't taken from me/our family.....where'd that gun come from?

One more thought I have on this...there are times, under advisement of LE, and/or legal counsel, family remains silent on all things related to the investigation. In fact, during these times of social media and the insanity that can ensue, it might be advisable to keep mum on things no matter what....I just don't know for sure if "I" could do so!

 

[minazoe]

I think it's possible the twins were on a road trip to the mountain just for fun. When they got there, they ran in to someone, or more than one, words might have been exchanged, and the murders ensued. The gun though. Was it found at the scene or not?
And if it's M/S, then the gun surely was found at the scene, unless somebody happened upon it and stole it....which I find highly improbable.

Then, if the gun doesn't belong to a family member, well, I'm just thinking through if I were in those shoes, and nobody in my family was missing a gun, I'd sure be making that known to anyone who would hear it. I'd be asking LE...IF it was a M/S, and the gun wasn't taken from me/our family.....where'd that gun come from?

One more thought I have on this...there are times, under advisement of LE, and/or legal counsel, family remains silent on all things related to the investigation. In fact, during these times of social media and the insanity that can ensue, it might be advisable to keep mum on things no matter what....I just don't know for sure if "I" could do so!

but did you watch the video of the drive up the mountain? I think if you watch it you might change your mind about the road trip up the mountain...this is why TOD would be good to know, it wouldn't necessarily tell us they arrived in daylight...but I say there is 100 percent no way they drove up there in the dark. so if they drove up themselves, had to be in the morning...so where were they all night?

need the phones big time.

mOO

 

[Centaurus]

For LE to call it M/S right away, leads me to believe there was something obvious that pointed them in that direction.

 

[statt#1]

but did you watch the video of the drive up the mountain? I think if you watch it you might change your mind about the road trip up the mountain...this is why TOD would be good to know, it wouldn't necessarily tell us they arrived in daylight...but I say there is 100 percent no way they drove up there in the dark. so if they drove up themselves, had to be in the morning...so where were they all night?

need the phones big time.

mOO

Yes indeed I watched the video I think maybe an adventure turned in to murder. They could have been meeting someone up there too, for various reasons, but I doubt it.

I sense the area is remote enough to attract all sorts of stuff up on that hill. I think they may have stumbled on some bad dudes up there.

If a gun was found at the scene...whose was it?

 

[statt#1]

For LE to call it M/S right away, leads me to believe there was something obvious that pointed them in that direction.

If it were that obvious I doubt we'd be here speculating. No offense intended

 

[minazoe]

two people shot dead and one gun. case closed. I don't think so. mOO

 

[Fika]

LE had to find a gun by the bodies to call it m/s so why not release this information to public?

I understand keeping cards close to the chest as it is still open investigation ( I believe) but they wouldn’t call it m/s without a gun because that is impossible.

 

[statt#1]

Though unlikely, a murder/suicide could be accomplished without a firearm. Perhaps a strangulation then a hanging, or a knifing then an overdose? I can think of numerous other possibilities.

 

[Angelcat13]

I wonder if they even looked for evidence of a sexual assault. I find it weird that their personal items were found in the car, wallets and phones. People generally do not leave those items in the car.
if you get lost, you need your phone. It makes me think those items were taken from the boys and possibly tampered with , before they were staged inside the vehicle. Did they look for touch DNA? fingerprints?

what does the serial number tell us about the history of that gun? who's gun is it?

so we have this very unlikely location of death
we have a gun or we don't have a gun
we have this odd removal of wallets and phones/yet plane tickets in pockets
no mention of missing cash or credit cards
no known SA on their bodies.

the odd removal of phones and wallets makes me super suspicious..it's very thoughtful and not something I think both boys would do simultaneously. It almost seems like a convenience and it's almost polite.. like taking off your shoes before going in someone's house..it also put's emphasis on them having been in that car and makes it look like for sure they were the ones who drove that car up there..because look, here's their stuff.

mOO

I also wonder what the position of the driver’s seat and mirrors were. Are they indicative of either brother having been the last to drive the vehicle?

 

[Angelcat13]

Nothing about this story makes any sense at all.
Reviewing the possibilities as well as the plausibility's below:

• Two African American college students with zero inclination towards hiking or the North Ga Mountains both end up dead there. On a morning, that one or both of them should have been on a flight to Boston.
• They certainly were not trying to squeeze in a hike before their trip to the airport. I hike all the time in the North Ga Mountains, and its not something you see young African American doing together. With their families yes and with a date yes, but as a sibling activity no. There family confirms this was not an interest of theirs as well.
• I realize the nuclear family has been divided, but the stories coming from them are sparse and not consistent. Especially when there is contradiction if one or both of them were flying to Boston. I do feel the family is less than forthcoming.
• Do either of them have a criminal record for violence or drug possession?
• If this truly was a Murder/Suicide I think it would have went down in Gwinnett.
• So for them to be abducted from Gwinnett County(if it was part of anything gang related they would have just been killed on the spot). I live in Gwinnett and thats generally how it transpires.
• On the off chance they did go up to this remote North Ga mountain. Were they catfished into a meeting with someone? A young mans libido at that age is more likely to over rule logic and common sense. I see no other logical reason they would have been there.. As stated on here earlier, on the off chance someone kidnapped them, why take them all the way there and leave the car. That requires another means of transportation.
• I have not heard if they found a handgun at the scene, but for LE to rule this as a M/S more than likely they did. If it was staged well enough to look like a murder/suicide than the twins were lured there as opposed to a meeting of chance.
• The only way I think it could have been a Murder/Suicide is if they made a pact before hand and wanted to spare their family of discovering their bodies.(Yet wanted to be found rather easily by an adult in public without it being too public to traumatize young children)

I am leaning towards a catfish scenario in which they were lured as I have not heard of anything that was stolen from the twins. Neither was there any indications of any sort of transaction type meeting.

I, too, find so many questions with M/S or a suicide pact. There are just so many questions and so few answers. The lack of answers (even though we’re not entitled to them) can certainly lead to speculation that this is foul play at the hand(s) of another.

Have there been any conclusive answers as to whether one or both boys were scheduled to fly to Boston? Was/were the flight(s) round-trip? If only one of them was going to Boston and his ticket was only one way, could this have triggered a M/S?